Dr. Jack Kruse Uncensored | BIS #209

0:00 Dr. Jack Cruz, welcome to the Bitcoin Infinity Show. Nice to have you here. Thank you. Pleasure to be here. Yes, and you're by a nice pool in El Salvador, I believe. Yeah, this is my house. One of three, or actually one of four that I have here. I'm actually getting ready to leave this one and go down to Costa del Sol Beach after you and I speak. Fantastic. Yeah, I can't wait to get back to El Salvador. I'm scheduled once again for the Bitcoin Historical Conference in November, and I just can't wait to get back. I absolutely love it there.

0:41 What can you say? We need to move down here, Knut. We need to have you down here. Yeah, I should. Going to El Salvador from Europe is mind-blowing, because even if I talk to normies here and say that I work in Bitcoin, they sneer at me and like, ah, you're a semi-criminal just because I refuse to use money that criminals can't print more of. So the propaganda is huge in Europe and just getting over to El Salvador where I'm revered rather than sneered at, it's life-changing. I agree. Yeah. And we met briefly in Prague and you have been in the talks on X and everything in Bitcoin circles after Prague.

1:30 I even heard it after your talk that there was some censorship going on. I don't know what to believe, but I'd love to hear your story about what happened in Prague. What is Fabianism? And why are you so controversial, according to others? Let's dissect this from the beginning. So before we do all that, though, since you haven't been on before, I'm getting ahead of myself here. Please introduce yourself and give us a TLDR on Dr. Jack Cruz, for those who don't know. Yeah. My name is Dr. Jack Cruz.

2:10 I'm a board-certified neurosurgeon, retired now. I retired about 18 months ago. I cut my teeth in centralized Rockefeller medicine as an oral surgeon and a neurosurgeon. I have both a dental and a medical degree, and I practiced for close to 40 years. I came down here to El Salvador, written a constitutional amendment for President Bukele and the people here in El Salvador about decentralized medicine. And I've been a Bitcoiner early on because one of my good friends is someone you may know, Jack Dorsey, got me into Bitcoin pretty early. Not as early as I should have because I didn't listen to him.

2:52 I thought he was a dumbass. So it shows you that my Bitcoin journey, I was really a dumbass in the beginning. So my entire life, now that I'm in my sixth decade, has been about decentralizing everything in my life, from biology to money to first principle thinking. So that's kind of where I'm at. All right. And decentralization, what's the benefit there? Because I see decentralization not only as a good thing, perhaps. I mean, hierarchies are nothing against hierarchies, as long as they're consensual. And decentralization, I know it's needed in Bitcoin because we cannot trust other human beings with a money printer. But what's the benefit of decentralization in other areas of life than just Bitcoin?

3:46 Well, the big one that I'm an expert in is medicine. And, you know, if you know anything about the history of medicine, both in the United States and in Europe, it goes back to two of the robber barons, which I'm sure you know about, Carnegie, J.P. Morgan, and Rockefeller. But who was the first person that brought it in was Carnegie. He was a Scottish guy that was a steel magnate in the United States. Those three robber barons tried to game a presidential election in 1900. They put a guy named William McKinley in as president. Their money paid for it. And then a Serbian refugee in New York City shot McKinley.

4:28 And back in those days, American politics weren't so smart. They put the worst enemy of the three robber barons as vice president because back in those days, they thought the vice president should be kept quiet. And generally in the United States system, the vice president is quiet. But this was proof of concept in the U.S. that when you kill a president and your mortal enemy takes over, you know what happens next. Standard Oil Trust gets broken up. And then Carnegie and Rockefeller come up with a program called the Flexner Report. And the Flexner Report basically was the same story that I tried to bring to the stage at Prague. It was a Landauer attack on medicine.

5:10 where they basically erased all of the underpinning of biophysics to health. And what did that effectively do? It centralized everything in medicine from 1911 onward so that people would have a biochemical-only program. And why did that make sense? Because when Rockefeller had Standard Oil broken up, He formed all different companies and used the waste products of the petrochemical industry, both oil and kerosene, to start making drugs. And he famously told Franklin, I should say, Teddy Roosevelt at the main hearing that his job for the rest of his life through his children and his foundation would be to bankrupt America.

6:01 And the first attack, centralized attack, Landauer attack, was the Flexner Report. And they successfully did that attack on Western medicine. And you know, Knut, anything that happens in the United States gets imported to Europe. What was Rockefeller's, how shall we say, analogy? He used the ideas that were heavily tied to German medicine, allopathic medicine at that time. So this was fundamentally a European idea that was generalized all over the world after Flexner. And what did they do? They changed the educational curriculum from a decentralized outlook and made it very centralized.

6:46 They made biochemistry top of the list. And you have to remember historical facts at that time, Knut. Biochemistry was in its very formative stages, okay? Just like... Hang on. Is this during the Weimar Republic era? because I know they pumped people full of drugs back then. Everyone from housewives to, like they threw people, gave them tons of LSD and threw them into dark rooms in hospitals and stuff. Fascinating. That's why I said these two things, Bitcoiners are not really good at knowing the history of medicine and how it ties to Bitcoin. That's why I always tell people that health and wealth are fundamentally linked.

7:28 But this is how I came to understand the Landauer attack the first way because the Flexner Report was a Landauer attack for my profession. And when I grew up in medicine, I was always taught that it was always biochemistry versus biophysics. And when you get as a neurosurgeon and you do all the things that you learn in residency and you start doing it on people and it doesn't work, you have two options. Either you fall in line with the rest of the people or you begin to question what you were taught. And I'm that guy that began to question what I was taught. So where that brings us to is you need to, second question you asked me was about Fabianism.

8:10 You need to understand where Fabianism comes from. I've done many podcasts with many Bitcoiners. I think probably the best one that talks about Fabianism is the 10-hour podcast I did with Breedlove on where it comes from. You need to understand that Fabianism comes from Queen Victoria. She came into the game 1837 in the UK. She basically tried to unify all the royal families in Europe Instead she gave everybody hemophilia and she created a lot of problems She dies in 1900 right at the same time this McKinley thing going on And then what happens? The cousins and the royal families in different places get into fights, and we get World War I.

8:53 And you know as a Bitcoiner what the end result of that is. We wind up with the Treaty of Versailles. Now, here's the problem. The people who started Fabianism were people from Saxe-Coburn-Gotha. That was the original name of the royal family in Europe, meaning UK, before they changed it to Windsor in World War I. Why? Because the royal family, specifically Queen Victoria's son, who ruled after she died, found that it wasn't good to have German heritage during the World War. So they changed the name from Saxe-Coburn-Gotha to Windsor, which is the name of a castle that's pretty close to London. And that is how that history changes. And the people that came from Saks, Coburn, Grotha in 1947, they come to the United States. They were the original people, still loyal to the queen, not the people in the United States.

9:45 and they were very important in helping take out Abraham Lincoln, also very important in fomenting the civil war in the United States. Why? Because the royal family in the UK wanted to get a Lloyd-Ele title back to the United States, which they had lost in the American Revolution. You know how that went. It didn't go very well. But the story where Bitcoiners pick it up is usually right at the Treaty of Versailles. Who were the original Fabians that were loyal still to the crown, but technically Americans? That was John Foster Dulles and Alan Dulles.

10:27 These people became much more important later in the 20th century because they were involved with JFK's assassination. So you start to see a trend here happening. And it was Alan Dulles who actually sat down with Keyes to come up with the terms of the Treaty of Versailles. And you know that that eventually leads us to the Weimar Republic. Then it leads us to ultimately World War II. It also leads us to the story where the Rothschilds come back in, join forces with the Rockefellers in the United States. These are two Fabian forces. How did the Rockefellers come in? I think I laid that clearly out in the beginning of our podcast here.

11:07 that when Teddy Roosevelt broke up Standard Oil, Rockefeller said he wanted to bankrupt the United States. This was something that perked up the years of the Rothschild family who were working on behalf of the royal family in the UK. And then after World War I, we got the Balfour Declaration, which was written by the Fabians. The Fabian Society came to prominence in the UK right around 1870. These are the same people that originally started off in Saxe-Cobor and Gotha. Who were those people? That's Theodore Herzl. These are the people that famously now are branded as Zionist. They basically took Palestine in World War I, and they wanted to make it into its own country, Israel.

11:54 And slowly over time, from the time they got Palestine from the Ottoman Empire, this process began. The key document that starts all that is the Balfour Declaration written in November of 1917. So the Fabians start with Theodore Herzl, and then it goes to the London School of Economics. That's where Keyes comes from. I think most Bitcoiners know that. In Prague, you heard me say that you can see Fabianism. If you go to the London School of Economics, you will see the stained glass window that is still present to this very day. of a sheep's and wolf's clothing. Why is that? What is the modus operandi of the Fabians to do small little incremental changes to lead to total control? That's really what the goal was. Why?

12:49 The original idea came from Queen Victoria's father to get the Aloyedil title back to the USA. This got compounded in World War I. Why? Because at the same time in World War I's going on, we have the Bolshevik Revolution, where a group of Fabians that were in USSR decided to kill the Nicholas de Czar, which was not what the UK royal family had planned. And then they lost the loyal title to the USSR. So now they lose two countries. Okay? So what is the goal after the Weimar Republic? We need to start another war to see if we can get both the Lloyd Eel titles back for the royal family. And Britain has a very dubious distinction. They've been on a winning side both times and still lost a Lloyd Eel title to both of the countries they tried to go.

13:47 The two families became linked right around 1930, 1933. This is the Rothschilds and Rockefellers. And they have been in unison, both not only in banking, but in financialization. The Rockefellers in the United States have really expanded big pharma. That's become one of their major businesses. And they also got, in the 1940s and 50s, big into biotechnology. What was the biotechnology that they got into? They figured out how to deuterate the water table of the United States, utilizing competitive inhibitors of melanin. They changed the food. And why did they do that?

14:27 So they could sell us more drugs to bankrupt the country. This is the main reason why food in the United States is radically different than it is in Europe even today. and what the Rothschilds and Rockefellers are trying to do right now through Fabianism, through many different pathways, is to actually get some of those same chemicals into the European system so they can ruin your food supply like they did in the United States from 1940 to current times. Wow, there's a lot to unpack there. I would maybe add that I think a lot of this is downstream of the UK going off the gold standard in 1914 to finance World War I.

15:11 And that is why these forces became so powerful, so they were able to do all of this stuff. Like, it's basically... Well, you know, as a Bitcoiner like I do, that everything always comes back to money. So when the money gets polluted, then you have to see history from that lens. The problem is, I hate to say this, but I probably can say this to you because you're an older Bitcoiner and probably know your history better than most. My frustration as a boomer in Bitcoin, I know the history inside and out. The younger Bitcoiners don't. They keep always going back to 1971. But this story really goes back much, much sooner to truly understand why we're still being attacked by the same families for the same reasons. I mean, I think 1914 is a good starting point because that's really where the excessive money printing starts and the gold standards is really abandoned. And also they called World War One wasn't called World War One when it happened. It was called the Great War. And if you view it as a war waged by the government and they were fighting their subjects, then it's still ongoing. We're still in. We're still victims of that war.

16:25 That's why they can still steal our money through taxes and inflation. If they hadn't had that, if they hadn't dropped the gold standard even back in early World War I, we wouldn't have had half the problems we have today because that's where it all begins in my view anyway. Yeah, I totally agree with you. Yeah, so Fabianism, and you say that they were even in the USSR, like that the Fabians were being— That's what the Bolsheviks are. Same pathway, the same people. And you have to remember, Trotsky was the guy between Lenin and Stalin that made the unilateral decision to kill the czar.

17:10 That was not the plan of the royal family or the Rothschilds. Trotsky took it upon himself and he paid dearly because Stalin came back and killed him in Mexico City in 1940 for that decision And how did that come to pass in United States history These were the talks that you probably remember between the big three in World War II. This is when Stalin talked to FDR at Yalta, and that's when he clued him in to Trotsky and Stalin. and the fact that Stalin was the one that put the hit on Trotsky for killing the czar.

17:52 And when FDR heard that, he famously told Stalin that he would help rebuild Russia at the end of the war because it was clear to FDR at that time that the enemy at the table was Churchill. The royal family was the real problem. They goaded us into two world wars. And that is the reason why When people go back and really look at the history FDR was a real big champion Of Stalin And what Stalin had done Because effectively Stalin is the one that beat the Nazis in Germany The interesting part Is who's the young politician at this time Who's learning all this Because he's in the war It's JFK And JFK If you go back and listen to his famous talk At American University in 1960 He actually tells the world Before he's the president that we owe a debt of gratitude to Russia for what they did in World War II.

18:46 Well, you can imagine in 1960, this didn't sit too well with the Zionists that were now running Israel. And this is part of the reason why the Fabians that were involved in the Treaty of Versailles were germane and sought partnership with the people in Israel to take out JFK later. That's why this whole train of history is really, really important to understand. And it also explains where the Cold War comes from, because if FDR doesn't die in 44 like he did, the United States Marshall Plan not only rebuilds Europe, but it probably rebuilds Russia. And Russia is no longer the bad guy. It allows the guy who ran the Manhattan Project, Leslie Groves, to pollute the new president who comes in, which is Harry Truman.

19:33 He convinces Truman to drop a bomb that should have been dropped. And then that same general gets Truman to change ONI and OSS in the United States to the CIA, and then all hell breaks loose. Then eventually we have what becomes known as ARPA and DARPA forming outside the U.S. government. Why? Because the president who came in after Truman was a four-star general you may have heard of, which is Dwight Eisenhower. Eisenhower had a reverence for what happened truly in World War II. He knew that the Russians destroyed Nazi Germany through their attack and that we came in much later in the game.

20:17 In fact, he was one of the people that thought that Normandy was useless at this point because we're so late in the war. But nonetheless, when he came in, he famously had a pretty good relationship with the Russians. But, and here's the big but, he hated General Groves. He thought that General Groves, along with Patton, Patton and Eisenhower on the same team, they thought that General Groves tried to take a lot of credit for the war by dropping the bombs. So what effectively happened with Eisenhower in the United States, he pushes General Groves out of the government. General Groves goes outside the government, seeks refuge with capitalists from Silicon Valley, and they start the industrial military complex outside the United States.

21:05 Who is the big benefactor at this time? Howard Hughes and the Rockefellers. What happens? They basically form the industrial military complex by using key companies. One of those companies is Sperry that turns into Univac. And what is the big thing that gets General Groh's power back in? You may remember in 1957 and 58 that the United States government during Eisenhower's second term was shocked when the Russians put Sputnik up in space. No one expected them to do that. Why? Because the United States had taken most of the Manhattan Project and funneled it towards making nuclear bombs.

21:46 The Russians did something a little bit different. They made nuclear bombs, but they also spent a lot of money in their space program. They also spent a lot of money in their biophysics program, which is why I know a lot about this topic, because this was the buried science from the Flexner report. So what happens from that standpoint? Eisenhower says, I need to get information about how we can catch up in the space race, because now there are satellites above us. In other words, we no longer have the high position in war. So what do you have? The space race begins. Who's the guy that champions that? It's JFK.

22:27 He says, we're going to go to the moon within a decade. But the most famous thing that happens as far as I'm concerned, both in medicine and in Bitcoin, is in January of 1960. when Eisenhower is leaving and he gives the famous speech that the biggest enemy in the world for Americans and the rest of the world is the industrial military complex that was brought back into the government in 1958 and 59. That was called ARPA. Its name was changed in 59 to DARPA. And those are the guys that are linked to both the Rothschilds and Rockefellers to this very day. And most of the R&D in the United States, that's not only done on the financialization side, but also in biology, is done by the same group of people.

23:17 And they use the same colleges to do it. What are those colleges? Stanford, MIT, Harvard. What was originally ARPA? ARPA was the computer network that set all these computers up. Where did the idea come from? General Groves, in terms of siloization that he built in the Manhattan Project to keep the spies low, this is still used to the very day in 2026 in the United States. So they silo scientists, they silo different developments that they want. And this leads to centralization for the industrial military complex on the financial side. That's the financial industrial complex, you know, that we have to worry about in Bitcoin.

24:04 And that is the viewpoint where I leave it right at the JFK level. And then everything that happens from that standpoint in medicine and Bitcoin really becomes linked through Fabianism. Why these people in the United States have never gone away. And Canute, I don't know how much you know about me and my history, but I did a pretty famous podcast three years ago with a guy named Danny Jones where I laid this Fabianism story out. And there was two specific people that I had targeted that I mentioned to you at Prague.

24:46 This is Casey and Callie Means. Their father was Grady Means, who was a lieutenant for David Rockefeller in the United States. He was a Council of Foreign Relations member, Atlantic Society member. Why was this a problem for me? I did another pretty famous podcast in medicine with Andrew Uberman and Rick Rubin on the Tetragrammaton podcast. podcast. In that podcast, I told people that I had known some very important information and I shared with Bobby Kennedy that day that the SV40 bioweapon from the polio jabs was now found in COVID. Bobby Kennedy didn't know that and he had no idea how I knew it. And I told him that live on a podcast and that floored him. Well, eventually, you know what happens. Bobby Kennedy and Trump go to Bitcoin Nashville in 23. They both get on the stage. They have their conversation. I am famously sitting in the VIP section there with my Kennedy hat on, and I see Howard Lutnick come out, and I said, that's it. We're in trouble. This is a big issue. So what did I know? How does this go back to the Casey and Callie Means story I knew through my connections with people in the Kennedy community that Casey Means was going to be nominated for the attorney general of the United States I should say for the surgeon general of the United States.

26:10 This meant that the Fabians would be led through the front door for centralized medicine. That meant that the idea of MAHA, which is make America healthy again, would be polluted. How did MAHA start? Most of you Europeans don't know that. you've been told a bullshit story, but it started with Bukele. I wrote that law that I told you about. And I sat down and Bobby Kennedy found out about that law. He called me up and we spoke on the phone for two hours about the law. And he said, Jack, can you send me the law so that I can look at it with Aaron Seary, who is his attorney? And I said, if Bukele okays it, I'll do it. So I called the president Bukele and I was given the okay to send the law. From that law, from Bobby and I talking, that's where Amaha was born. What does Bobby do next? He asks Nicole Shanahan, who's one of my patients and friends, to be vice president. So through this process, I find out that Trump's choice for chief of staff is Susie Wiles, who's a big pharma executive tied to the Rockefellers. Her job is to put Cali means in to change the narrative from COVID to food.

27:25 So we went from the big elephant in the room, which is the shots, harming people, which you heard me say from the stage at Prague, and which is why Matthias and his brother had me to come to Prague the two previous years to talk about this. Callie comes on and tries to change it about Froot Loops and Red Dye No. 5. And I put him on that podcast, and I did a pretty famous morbidity and mortality conference with him, and I took him apart piece by piece. I had hired CIA and FBI investigators to get and make sure everything was factual. And I did it right then and there. And I warned everybody three years ago that him and his sister would be a problem.

28:09 So, Knut, this whole time, people didn't like what Jack Cruz did. They thought that this was too heavy handed. They thought this was toxic Rockefeller decentralization, you know, maximalism. And I took all the arrows And guess what happens About six months ago Casey Means all the questions That the Senate asked her She couldn't answer These are all the ones that I brought up in the podcast Same thing with Callie Callie now has been minimized in the government And his sister's been thrown out So the point I try to make to you Is that these people were the amber Put around Bobby Kennedy So he couldn't do the things In HHS that need to be done because of big harma.

28:56 Okay? That's the issue. Fast forward to Prague. About three years ago, I find out very similar type attack is beginning to happen in Bitcoin. And I'm at a very famous meeting with another Bitcoiner who you can fact check me. I was sitting there with Parker Lewis. There was a couple of other Fabians in the room that call themselves Bitcoiners, but I don't believe they are. And some of the famous words that were used in this meeting were ossification, extinction, Bitcoin doesn't have to be money. And to his credit, I kept my mouth shut. I didn't say too many things, but Parker Lewis literally came out of his chair and is ready to kill people. And the rest of the Fabians in the room didn't understand truly what was happening. And I realized right away that I needed to pay big time attention to some of the connections to Fabian's in Bitcoin. And I knew that it was through MIT from what I had told you previously. So when I went back home, I started to go through my network of things that I have through my takedown of centralized medicine. I had come upon some boxes, a place where I did my residency. And I had found a lot of information about these colleges that I had told you about that were big in ARPA. And in those boxes, there was some more information that led me

30:29 to hiring the same two guys that I hired for the Casey and Cali means thing. And I said, look, I think there's an interesting link here between what happened in the human genome project and what's going on in Bitcoin right now. I'm not sure the link, but I'd like you to look out upon it. The same time, one of my patients who you heard about in the Prague talk comes to me with some very interesting information. His concern in the last six months is that there was a core developer that put a specific, I guess you would call it NFT that he created, but it was linked through a video to some child sexual abuse material.

31:10 and it showed up on the base chain. To the core developer's, I guess, I don't want to say credit, but he did edit it. But people like Matthew Crowder have talked about it. And this person had worked with this core developer. And he told me, he said, you did surgery on me when I was a little boy. You saved my life. You taught my family about the Landauer attack in medicine. And he goes, I believe this is a Landauer attack in Bitcoin. And that kind of stunned me. When I took what he told me and I gave it to the guys that were investigating some of the things that happened at that meeting with Parker Lewis, a story began to show.

31:57 The investigator started to tell me, you know, these emails that the Department of Justice just released, they're linked to this story. And I was like, really? And I said, well, lay this all out for me. I need to see what the links are. Now, I've never publicly mentioned any of this in any Bitcoin podcast. I really haven't said anything about it at all. But when Matthias and his brother asked me to speak at Prague, I said, is it fair game that I could do the first ever Bitcoin morbidity and mortality conference there? Why? Because I knew because the cover of the Fabians that are in Bitcoin are done by people that run the Bitcoin meetings in the United States and their media.

32:49 They give press coverage to those Fabians. They're always shown in a good light. These people always have really positive, how shall we say, vibes around them. I said, what I'm probably going to say is pretty unpopular. It's very, very similar to what I knew I was going to get into with Casey and Callie Meats. But I was very confident that I'm a big boy. I can take the arrows for a long period of time. And don't you think in that subsequent time, some of the Department of Justice emails get unfurled and the public begins to find out that some very prominent Bitcoiners are linked to the Epstein files.

33:33 And where does it magically happen? At MIT, the same place that I had told you that showed up on the centralized story with Epstein with medicine in the Human Genome Project. And I thought this is really, really bizarre. So through my work, most of the work was done through Epstein And just so you know, Knute, I started putting all this information on my website three years ago For my members in a protected site, mostly for doctors So the public couldn't get access to this And I laid out all the emails on the medicine side and the Bitcoin side And I basically told my members that I felt that we had a problem in Bitcoin. I felt that there are six specific people that were a big issue. Out of the six, I used the same, how shall we say, sliding scale that I used in the Diane Jones podcast for Casey and Callie Means, which was ignorance or fraud.

34:34 And through my homework, my due diligence as a toxic Bitcoin maximalist, five out of the six I felt were fraudulent. thoughts. One, I felt was ignorant of that. And my job, I felt at Prague this year, was to present this case to the plebs. Why? Because my belief, and you may not know this, but I will tell you, I told no one in Bitcoin what I was going to do except one person. And I called him three days before I left for Prague, and that was Matthew Crowder. And I said, Matthew, this is what I'm going to talk about. And I told him how I was going to attacked us and he was stunned. Okay. He said, I haven't heard you talk about BIP 110 ever.

35:19 And I'm like, yeah, there's a reason for that. I had to get all my ducks in alignment to make sure that this truly was a Bitcoin land our attack. And I'm very confident now that, um, that is in fact the case. I know who the players were. I know why they were siloed. I know why some of the core developers still to this very day don't know that they were played by other people in the Bitcoin community. Do I know that this story links through Taproot? Do I know this story links through Segwit? Absolutely. These are all Fabian techniques that they make a small little change that you don't see and they lead to bigger problems down the road. These exploits were unleashed and now we have a problem. So my belief where I am currently right now, because you and I have not talked about this, I believe BIP-110 is a solution to parts of this problem, but I'm going to be very clear with you. I don't think BIP-110 goes far enough. I think BIP-110 is a great white shark with not enough teeth. And I told Matthew that when I spoke to him before I went to Prague And he ironically had told me that some of the people he talks with about this feel the same way I do. And I think that we need to go even more pedal to the metal to stop this. Why? Why am I so vehement about this? I saw what the Landauer attack did in medicine. It completely ruined my profession and it happened over time.

36:55 The attack in medicine started in 1911, but where did it get obvious in the 1960s and 70s? If you think about what Bitcoin's got to deal with, we now have until 2140 until we get to 21 million coins. That means the amount of time entropy that Bitcoin can be attacked this way is huge. And I see the exact same problem developing for Bitcoin that the Rockefellers created in medicine. And my job is not to tell plebs that run nodes what to do. I'm here to tell you what I found, what I'm doing, and why I think it's important. And I think I had the bully pulpit for 30 minutes in Prague to state that case.

37:39 And I think I did. And unfortunately, some of my slides got deleted. I have subsequently released those on a Patreon blog so everybody can review them. And I did, how shall we say, a St. John the Baptist podcast with Natalie Brunel one day before this talk. And what was that podcast really about, Canute? It's actually about what you and I are talking about right now. It was, what is Fabianism? Where did it come from? How did it pollute medicine? And how did it pollute Bitcoin? And for Natalie to come out publicly and say that, well, my listeners are not interested in this topic, made me realize right away that there are people and factions in Bitcoin media that are protecting the Fabians that are inside the gate.

38:32 The Trojan horse is already inside and it's our job to limit it. And I think the people that came up with BIP-110, they are people that are trying to help. And, you know, I'm under no illusions that BIP-110 is, you know, absolutely the best option. I have shared with a couple of other people, some of my friends that I sat with at Bitcoin Nashville in the VIP section when Bobby and Trump were on there and Lutnick walked out. I think we need more in this area. And I think the problem is very similar to what Bukele did here in El Salvador. We have to get rid of the problem in core.

39:13 We have to get rid of the power base of the Fabians in these corporations that are supporting core so they continue on this approach. The best way to do that is I believe the nodes are the immune system for the pathogens that are inside the Trojan horse. And I think when people understand that, even though this BIP-110 construction is not ideal, It reminds me a lot of what happened with BIP-148, and that was also very flawed if you think about it. But it turned out to be very effective in terms of how it went.

39:55 The problem is if we don't solve this problem, we didn't solve it then, and we certainly are not going to solve it in August. But we need to do something fundamentally as node runners to change the mix. And we need to understand that these Fabians that are with the Rockefeller and Rothschilds, they're not going to stop. They're going to keep fighting Bitcoin all the way through. That really was the core message that I wanted to bring to the plebs so that they understand that our vigilance has to be high all the time. The attacks that we're going to face, they're going to be very slick. And let me be very clear about this.

40:35 Epstein was hired by the Rothschilds to go find the smartest physicists and the smartest mathematicians to slow Bitcoin down. And that's exactly what he did. And then what did he do? He sought the people out that could affect that process. That's what the Department of Justice email showed us. Okay. Now, the key is, even though that bad stuff has happened, we now need to react as node runners. Why? Because we can still hinder them. This land our attack in Bitcoin is still indirect. It's not direct like it was in medicine. So do I believe, am I still very optimistic about Bitcoin long term?

41:16 Yes. But I do believe the problem we have in Bitcoin is like the problem in alcoholism or drug addiction. You have to be aware of the problem to solve it first. and I don't believe many people are truly aware of what the attack vector is. And that was my modus operandi in Prague when you heard the talk. Holy shit, there's a lot to unpack there. And yeah, this is way worse than we thought, I guess. Yeah, a couple of things that come to mind here. Excuse me for ranting for a while. Back in my tall ship sailing days, we visited Normandy, and there's a little piece of American land there that France gave to the U.S. to honor the soldiers who died in Normandy.

42:07 And I vividly remember getting there because it was one of those, holy shit, everything collectivist is evil moments in my life. Because in order to get into this little piece of land of the free within France, you had to go through one of those airport security things. So I'm being scanned and all of this bullshit to enter a graveyard for free men. And when I see the graveyard and there's thousands of crucifixes, I mean, I wrote about this in my first book. I've been there, so I know what you're talking about. Yeah, and a handful of David Starr graves, no names on them.

42:50 And I'm just thinking of ceremonial burial is really where war starts. When you can fool 18-year-olds that they're going to get 17 virgins in heaven or whatever, they can attack the neighboring tribe. So psychopaths have been using people for thousands and thousands of years. And here was this perfect example of everything wrong with everything from organized religion to nation states to governments to globalism I vividly remember having this feeling of something with humanity is really fucking off man like we we we are not good at seeing the actual problem and the all the lessons from world war ii it should have been you know governments are fucking evil we should abandon them all and never listen to what they say ever again they're lying and they kill people but no one reason why this goes down let me tell you the reason why this goes down and you know this The victors write the books. That's the reason why you never hear this.

43:51 But no one thinks of what it implies. It means that all of history is super wrong and written by psychopaths. Correct. And when you add corrupt money to the mix, it's even worse. So forget everything you know. So, yeah, back to, I want to, for the skeptics out there, and I hope all my listeners are skeptics, the whole Landauer theory and Fabianism and all of this, the history you laid out there, where can people study this stuff? Where's the evidence? Where should they start looking if they want to do their own research? Because I think that's important. There's many books written about Fabianism, and there's many books that actually link the Dulles Brothers directly to this.

44:38 I think you can find that not only in history books, but also in books that are written by Wall Street bankers. So that's easy to find. Now, the flip side of the Landauer issue, you have to remember, this is now an axiomatic law of math and physics. It was first discovered in 1961. It was a guy named Rolf Landauer who proposed that information and atomic mass were one and the same thing. Of course, you can imagine this created a huge firestorm in physics. And a physicist, very famous, named John Wheeler, took it on and they went through a period of experimentation.

45:19 and they found that Landauer's principle was an axiomatic law of nature that information has a cost. This happens, of course, after Claude Shannon, after Turing. These guys never filtered any of this stuff into their theory. But today, in communications, anything that uses any type of thermodynamics has to be Landauer protected. And it turns out Bitcoin has, since it is a thermodynamic decentralized network, even though it's artificial, it operates just like the base chain in biology, which is DNA and RNA, which is the point that I try to make at the Prague meeting, that you need to understand what the machinations are of this attack.

46:11 So the science of the Landauer principle is easy to find out why. There's been gobs written, not only in math and physics, but a lot of it is written tied to Shannon's theory of entropy and information processing. In fact, it's used just about in every single cell carrier. It's used in all of their networks. So, and in fact, it's built in to what Satoshi built in in the beginning. Why? Because the proof of work mechanism has to be Landauer compliant, which is why one of the slides that I showed tell you that two people at Links to MIT that have degrees should know about this.

46:53 And the irony is both of these guys now are running treasury companies. Both of these guys never talk about the Landauer principle. In fact, they talk about principles that are anti-Landauer. And then one of these guys is an anti-BIP110 guy when, if you look at the block wars, he was on our side, and now he's on the opposite side. And now he's on the side of financialization and securitization of Bitcoin. And when you begin to understand what's happening here, like why all of a sudden the change, the first changes that his money supported was SegWit and Taproot.

47:34 Well, once those are in and that's done and said in 17, what's the next step? The next step is what happens with the ordinals and the runes protocol. Once that comes in, you know, I just saw that Hodlnott put something out the day that I got back from Prague that basically said one of the latest blocks that was done had 70% spam in it. And if you know anything about- No, the last week of blocks. The last week worth of blocks had 70% spam in them. Right. And you have to realize when you think about spam, kind of what the Landauer principle really tells you, it's really about capacity and block height size.

48:19 But that's a bandwidth issue. And I don't want anybody to think that I don't understand these principles in Bitcoin because I do. I mean, we already know that there's not enough UTXO space for everybody in the world. So it's not like this problem didn't already exist in Satoshi's design. Okay. The problem is, is this has now been expanded by these Fabian maneuvers. And when you understand what the real problem is, the real diagnosis here is as UTXO explode, as the block space is filled with shit, it makes the efficiency thermodynamically of the proof of work mechanism worthless in the next 10, 20, 30, 40 years.

49:05 So then what happens? Effectively, then you get Bitcoin as only digital gold, not as money, which is exactly what at least two of the Treasury CEOs are talking about publicly all the time. And when you understand that, that means there has to be a de facto CBDC being built by all the players. We know what it is in Europe because they're pretty obvious about it in Brussels, but in the United States, we're not. And it turns out that guy that showed up on the fucking stage in Bitcoin Nashville, Lutnick, is the fucking architect of the American CBDC. And that's going to be built through stable coins.

49:46 Who was the person that clued me into this the earliest? It wasn't somebody who you may think. It was Hester Pierce. And she told us in 2020 that something very interesting was going on in Washington, D.C. with our other friend, Gary, who used to work for Biden, who used to teach about blockchain and Bitcoin at MIT. Okay. And she said, it seems like they're more interested in stable coins than anything else. So when Lutnick comes on the stage in 23, and you know that he's the primary broker dealer for U.S. Treasuries, and now he's building a regulatory system with Trump as the Commerce Secretary to make stable coins a sovereign wealth fund for the United States, you start to go, well, if you stop Bitcoin being used as money, then you can use stable coins as the de facto CBDC. And what's the event of the benefit that the Fabians get? That means they never face a congressional attack for the fourth amendment, which is privacy, which is the big impetus in the U S constitution to getting a CBDC. And since I've come home from Prague, Knut, one of the big things that you see all the politicians in Congress who are lying fucks talk about, we just made a CBDC impossible through law. Well, that's true. But what happens when U.S. money fails and they implode it and

51:19 Bitcoin is ossified because it's filled with fucking spam, then something else has to be come in. And so what is it going to be? It's going to be another 2008 emergency. Oh, we have a problem. But guess what? One of our guys, Lutnick, did this 20 years ago, and we could use this. This works perfect. And guess what that means? Effectively, then, we have centralization in Bitcoin, and it happened without anybody's consent. And it happened without any consensus. And that is the ultimate issue with the Landau attack. That exactly what happened in medicine with the Flexner Report And you have to realize that the people at MIT in the physics and math department are the smartest fucking people in the world These are the people that talk to FIC and the industrial military complex.

52:16 These are the people that power that speech that Eisenhower gave in January of 1960, okay? So just like the book The Art of War said when I told Marty Bent this famously, I said, you have to begin to think like your fucking enemies if you want to defeat them. And what was my big point at prod? That most Bitcoin toxic maximists don't even fucking see this attack. They see all the ones that people talk about, but they don't understand this. And I'm going to tell you the reason why. Neither do the core developers. Because the core developers are too fucking stupid to know the math and the physics of the Landar attack.

52:56 Most big Bitcoiners don't. But I can tell you this, guys that are PhD aeronautical engineers and in cryptography, they fucking know it. It's impossible for them not to know it. And then when you realize that one of them did a 10-hour, seven-part podcast with Breedlove about the thermodynamics of Bitcoin, and you know what one thing didn't show up? The fucking Landauer principle. Explain that to me. Yeah, we heard the bullshit about airplanes landing with, you know, a broken hydraulic in the gate. And we know what that happens. Great. Like, give us the softball.

53:37 But let's talk about this other problem. Let's talk about how this can go on and how you get on podcasts and tell us that ossification is OK. and how you tell us about, you know, when you die since you have no kids, you're just going to fucking burn your coins. Well, guess what? Canute, if everybody does that, what happens to fucking Bitcoin? It gets extincted. So let me just tell you something. Listen to them when they fucking talk to you. Listen, because they're telling you. Yeah, so I'd like to offer you my perspective on this and what I learned from this conversation.

54:20 I mean, I was there in 2023 in Miami. I was on a certain person's yacht and met Bobby Kennedy briefly. So I've been in the middle of all this stuff as well, as you know. And back then, Bitcoiners were just enthusiastic about the whole thing because all of a sudden... Not this Bitcoin. But what I wasn't enthusiastic about, which others were, not from a... So I was aware of spam and thought of it as a bigger problem than just clogging the UTXO set. Because from an Austrian economics perspective, use cases do not add value to money.

55:03 They leak value from money. So if money has more use cases than just being a medium of exchange over space and time, that is of detriment to the money. So I could see it even from that perspective. So I think there I got things right. What I got wrong is that I thought the attack was from Bailey and his ilk, because I've already started, like, I already disliked Bitcoin Magazine and that conference. It turned out, I mean, they were Shitcoin Magazine for real for a while, and then they claimed to go back to their roots and be Bitcoin Magazine again. Let me explain to you how I see him, and then I'd like to hear your opinion on it.

55:44 All right. Because I think your diagnosis is correct. So understand that in medicine, what happened was if you're going to keep a bullshit paradigm in power, you have to have media. So what's the media in medicine? It's journals. So the Maxwell family, Ghislaine and Robert, her dad, buy Pergamon Press and they control all the journals in medicine from 1960 all the way to 2026. So if you control the media, it gives coverage for the Fabians that are working behind the scenes. So my opinion is the reason that I couldn't give this talk in David Bailey's conference is because it would never be allowed.

56:27 Okay, because they know what the game is and then realize that the magazine where some of the core developers write, they are also part of this grift. So, Bitcoin Magazine is the Maxwell. So, Bailey is the Maxwell of Bitcoin journalism, basically. Right. And I think several of the core devs I like to call Galane. Why? Because they're the front for this game that's going on. And the problem is Bitcoin maxis need to understand this. So I'm going to say something, Knute, that may shock you. I don't think that these core devs are bad people. I don't think that they know that they're being used the way they're being used.

57:10 But I don't care what they think. I care what the plebs think and what the plebs do with the node selection that comes on August 5th. Why? Because we need to do something to stop this Trojan horse attack. That, to me, is the key thing. And I think what you and I can do as older Bitcoiners is we can argue on behalf of the newer guys to come in. What should be the teeth that we can add to BIP-110 down the road? I think they're, I'm working with a couple of people on that side now, and I think I found something that may help, but I'm not the technical guy. Remember, I'm the neurosurgeon that's a Bitcoiner that pays attention to this.

57:54 So I need the math and physics guys and the coders to understand how can we put true Megalodon jaws in so that these fucking people never are able to finish this attack. Because this attack isn't finished yet. I want to be clear about this. That's why I spoke up at Prague. There's other parts of this attack that are coming, and that's where guys like that run Coinbase, Lutnik, and all of his crew, like that part of the attack has not come to pass yet because the regulations are big. Peter Thiel is a big part of this. The AI people are part of this. But where the tip of the spear for this happens, my opinion, probably 20, 25 years when we get the flip into the stablecoin CBDC.

58:46 I think you guys in Europe will face it already from the digital euro. I think the Chinese will have the digital yuan. I think the Commonwealth countries will also be linked to the European story. The bottom line is centralization is coming. And the method that they're going to use to really finish the last part of the attack is AI. AI centralizes everything it touches, and it's critical and germane to what Lutnik is really doing behind the scenes. He is the architect, and he knows the insides and out of the U.S. Treasury market. Remember, he's the primary broker-dealer for the United States for a long time.

59:30 So he knows not only the finance, but he also knows politically and a regulation way how to get it. And his main guy to help him do this is Palantir and Peter Thiel. That is the real game that we need to fight. And you have to remember, just because Ludnik says he owns Bitcoin, just because Peter Thiel says he owns Bitcoin, doesn't mean they're our fucking friends. Okay? And I think people need to wake up to that fact. Yeah, absolutely. Okay. So back to my view of Bailey and Bitcoin Magazine here. I thought they were the big bad enemy.

1:00:11 And I thought that Bailey was just a big brown nose like interviewing or bringing Trump and other and FBI and shit up on stage. That it's just this anything goes mentality. And he's just a fiat maximalist who wants to scam everyone and take their money. High time preference guy. But if the problem is what you say, like it's so much deeper than the concern, I mean, then we have to save Bitcoin. What I would say is that BIP1 I don entirely agree with BIP110 being a shark without teeth I think it a shark with temporary teeth so that we can build the megalodon while we buy ourselves some time to think about what the mechagridsill megalodon looks like.

1:00:59 Yeah, I don't disagree with that assessment. I just want people to understand that I know that BIP-110 is flawed, but it's as good as good has now, and I think it does buy us time because what we need to do is kind of what Bukele did in El Salvador. He got rid of the bad judges and got rid of the bad hombres, put them in Seacott. We need to do the same thing in Bitcoin. It doesn't mean we're going to throw some of these people in jail. We just need to have some of these people replace Roger Ver as enemy number one to Bitcoin because they are. What they're doing is worse than what Roger Ver ever did to us. Do you think Roger Ver was a Ludnik or was he just selfish and wanted to... No, he was selfish. I don't believe he was smart enough to know. But you want to know the truth? The people that are doing this attack now, they use Roger Ver. They absolutely used him. And I can tell you, I told you before we came on the podcast about that big tweet that I put out yesterday about the people that had that secret meeting before BIP 148 comes out. That's Silbert and Demors.

1:02:05 Let me just tell you something. Silbert and Demores absolutely were steering Roger Ver for the big block size. And I'm going to tell you the fact that they have both stepped out and now are working on the AI side. This is classic Fabianism where you thought you knew who they were, but then they step back and now they're doing something else. And what are they doing? They're working hand in hand with Lutnick on the plan that executes it probably 20 years from now. See, this is what makes me being a neurosurgeon a little bit different.

1:02:46 Neurosurgeons are taught in medicine to think six steps ahead of everybody else. And that's exactly what I'm trying to explain to you in this podcast, is that you have to understand the history of what happened in the past to understand what the future Fabian attack is. And this attack is ongoing right now. You can see it right now. Like everybody knows about the spam issue, but not everybody understands really what the game being played here is. And I can tell you the biggest heroes in Bitcoin right now, because they buy so much Bitcoin and everybody keeps focusing on number go up. That's not the issue. You centralize Bitcoin, you effectively don't make it money.

1:03:28 You make it digital gold. And anybody who doesn't have their head up their ass knows exactly what the bankers did with digital gold and silver. They fucking manipulate it through paper. So when I see somebody put a fucking orange dot out every time and say I'm going to buy Bitcoin, all that does is creates more paper for them to fucking control the price. So when people come on podcasts and say out loud, well, if it wasn't for me buying all this Bitcoin, Bitcoin doesn't go to $126,000. I say fuck you. That's bullshit. Because I think it still goes up. Why? Because money is failing. The money is guaranteed to fail. So that's my point.

1:04:08 And I think that it's about time that people get their head out of their ass and stop kissing people's ass that shouldn't be kissed. Yeah. So you mentioned two people. I mean, the other four. I'm interested in those. Because you mentioned six people in the beginning. so who are the can you reveal anything more about the other four what about the guy that is I think I did in the slides unfortunately the slides that were deleted at Prague they had clear ramifications of who the other four were so who's the one ignorant like I mean he's a young guy he's a young guy that's being Okay.

1:04:57 Okay. And the other three? I'm fine with just doing hints here. The other three are pretty simple to figure out. You've already mentioned one. The guy that executed the plan, he had his own little slide up. He has ilk from the Epstein emails all the way tied to his last job at ChainLab. And you know where ChainLab comes from. So you could probably figure that out. Chain code labs? He's also the guy that posted the CSAM on Bitcoin that Matt Crowder has been talking about. Wait, wait. Are you talking about chain code labs? Yeah.

1:05:37 Okay. You said chain labs, so I got confused. But you mean chain code labs. All right. Correct. Yeah. So Matt Crowder has been talking about that guy. And the last guy should be blatantly obvious. Who supports the shitcoin casino? One guy. And it turns out one of the guys from MIT that's got this PhD or degree in engineering He's a lot of his coins there Yeah, okay And I'll leave it up to your judgment I believe that my job, and remember, I hope you go back and listen to my speech at Prague what I said I just did, like, before this Okay, good I basically said, look, the point of an M&M conference is so that the doctor gets better My point in Bitcoin is the same thing I want to see Bitcoiners Who I think are the doctors Or the node runners I want to see them get better And I think the way you get them better Is you help them see the diagnosis you made I paid a lot of money for the information That came up with this idea Okay And for me This isn't about me Okay This is about my kids And my lineage down the road I don't want to see Bitcoin ossified That's the reason I did what I did And I came to the public To share with them what I found And I want the plebs I want the plebs to do what Huddle Nut What Luke and what Matthew Crowder are doing

1:07:08 Same thing with you When you put the BIP110 on your Twitter feed You are announcing to the world that you understand There is a problem in Bitcoin that we need to solve And what do we need to do as the immune system? Anytime these people say things that put them right in the line of fire of the Landauer principle, we hammer them. We make sure all the new people coming to Bitcoin understand who our enemies inside the gates are. Why? Because you can never solve the problem. That's what Bukele taught the world. You can't fix your country when everybody gets killed here until you get rid of the corrupt judges and you get rid of the corrupt politicians and you put the gang members in jail.

1:07:54 Let me tell you, the same thing is true in Bitcoin. We don't stop this attack until we out the bad actors and we eliminate their ability. Their names, in my view, are not important. The actions of what they're doing are important. Yeah, I mean, if there's anything, an underrated aspect of BIP-110 is just to show the community that minority softforks work. Because if they don't, Bitcoin isn't Bitcoin anymore. Because what that means is that miners decide, not nodes. And if that is true, then that is not Bitcoin.

1:08:34 Just like Bitcoin Magazine is not about Bitcoin. then it's just someone hijacking the name like hijacking Bitcoin was ironically enough Roger Ver's book's name I've listened to parts of that and I know I can debunk every single paragraph in it and it's super easy because he doesn't know what he's talking about because anyone who thinks big blocks is a good idea is an attacker, nothing else because what they'd want to do is take over they want the ability to control Bitcoin And the whole point is that this is uncontrollable. This is, I mean, distributed authoritarianism, love the term.

1:09:17 I also love the, everyone says it's rules without rulers. But just like people don't understand that winners write history, no one understands. understands what rules without rulers mean. That means that you set the rules for what you think Bitcoin is. And you pay the price for believing in whatever rules you think Bitcoin is. If you think Bitcoin cash is Bitcoin, if you thought that back in 2017, you can still think that your chain is worthless now. The real chain is worth more. And the same thing now, you can't fence it. This is not possible, really. You have to pick a side. You have to pick what you believe Bitcoin is.

1:09:59 And if you're sitting on the side where you let others decide for you what Bitcoin means to you, then you've already lost because you're not a real Bitcoiner then. And I hate to say real Bitcoiner because who am I to say real Bitcoiner? But if you don't believe that you get to decide the rules, then you don't understand the game because you do. The thing is, the Ayn Rand quote still works. You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality. And this is what happens if you pick the wrong Bitcoin as your definition of it. And right now, you can choose between Bitcoin full of spam and influenced by these bad actors, or you can choose Bitcoin with slightly tighter rules for a temporary period to try to fix the problem.

1:10:52 And it's up to you whether you believe that will work or not. And your belief translated into software running on hardware, in other words, taking responsibility and being the full node that you already are. I mean, everyone on earth is a Bitcoin node in my opinion. It's just that most people don't act the part yet. They outsource all the decision making to others. But you are already a Bitcoin node. You just have to fucking grow up, grow some balls, and act the part. Without that, Bitcoin will suffer the same fate as everything that preceded it, meaning centralization, meaning that the worst people in the world end up controlling it.

1:11:38 And we can't fucking have that. So BIP-110 is the only choice here, in my opinion. Your speech tells me you're my brother from another mother. I can't disagree with anything you just said. And I think the fact that, you know, we're about a week after Prague and we can have this podcast. Do I feel vindicated that I did my job on the stage of Prague? Because Canute completely gets what I said. And you want to know the truth? The truth is, Canute, that's why I went there. I went there to tell people, look, I want you to be aware of what's going on. You may not see it yet, but please pay attention.

1:12:19 I've already made my decision. And, you know, even in the Twitter feed that I put out yesterday, you saw what I said. I've made my decision that that actually is axiomatic to what you just said, that once your N equals one is LinkedIn, that is your version of Bitcoin. It doesn matter what anybody else does If they want to do Bitcoin Cash or BSV or whatever the fuck else they want to do great But my job is to do what I did And I was given an opportunity by two Bitcoiners that I know that I would have never been given this opportunity if it had been Nashville or Vegas No. There's no chance. Because they're not Bitcoiners. Right. They're shitcoiners. And we all know that.

1:12:59 And they support shitcoin people. And you have to realize that that DNA, that diagnosis is also easy to see because we see it in the president's behavior. We see it in his family. We see it not only that, but in the person running the Bitcoin conference in the United States. All you have to do is take a look at that stock and see how that goes. To me, this is one of the most easy diagnoses to make as a neurosurgeon. I'm just stunned that the people in Bitcoin don't fucking get it. I'm so stunned by the Bailey shit show, by the way. They had literal fucking feds on stage while the samurai people are still in jail.

1:13:44 And Ross Ulbricht was on stage thanking Trump for his release. Trump, who didn't release him the last four years he was president. So he's part of the problem, for fuck's sake. Like, it's Stockholm Syndrome all over. And simping for politicians, that's the most anti-Bitcoin thing I can think of. It's just revolting to me. Anyway, you say that you were censored on Natalie's pod. I don't know why, and I'm friends with Natalie. I hope she isn't compromised by any of this. I hope she had good reason to do that, some other fucking reason. I can't think what that is.

1:14:25 I will not censor. That's not what I do. The opposite. I hope I'm, I will not let fear dictate my actions. I've had too many near-death experiences to ever let fear dictate my actions. I know that I want to, whenever I go, I want to do it with dignity. And I want to be honest. So, so fuck it. The people need to hear this and they need to know the magnitude of the problem. they also need to do their own research they shouldn't take your word for it they should look into it themselves a good place to start I'd say is Hodlunaut's articles explaining what happened with Bitcoin Core explaining what happened what started when Bitcoin Core got outside funding and they weren't just developing Bitcoin software because they wanted to secure their stacks which is, I think, a much better incentive for a Bitcoin core developer is to believe in the project than have outside funding.

1:15:31 So before we close this out, though, is there anywhere on the Internet that you would like to send our listeners to? Where can they find your stuff? Where can they find other interesting stuff? Where can they do their own research about all of this? Well I think every day I think if you follow my Twitter account you going to learn a lot about decentralized medicine and decentralized money because that all I post about What went down in Bitcoin Prague if you interested in that I put a Patreon blog out about that. My Patreon is, you know, the cost of a cup of coffee a month. Okay. I make it very simple for people to look at, but my website also is free. If you sign up, it's jackcruise.com.

1:16:17 I have a form on there. On the form, there's parts that are just all Bitcoin, all geopolitics. Then there's a lot. Most of it, I'd say, is about decentralized medicine. And I think if anybody wants to know about books and things that I have read that talked about the history that you and I talked about early in this podcast, because to be honest with you, that's most of what was in the Natalie Brunel podcast that she wanted not anybody to hear, which I think is kind of ironic. because I think it is important. And I don't think that that's new information. I've done hundreds, and I mean hundreds of podcasts, not only on decentralized medicine, but also on Bitcoin.

1:16:59 So you can listen to the things that I've said. You'll find out that my discussion about this topic that me and Canute talked about is very consistent. Listen to what I said to Breedlove about this. Listen to what I said to Marty about this. Listen to when I'm talking to other Bitcoiners about this issue with government, I have never been a fan of Lutnick. And that goes all the way back to his link to 9-11 and also his link to Jeffrey Epstein. They're neighbors in New York City, okay? And it's clear he's lied about his relationship with Epstein. If a person is going to lie one time about something like that, they're going to lie multiple times.

1:17:44 And there's a reason they're lying. And when that person gets carded on the stage and they become the Commerce Secretary, almost became the Treasury Secretary, I think that Bitcoiners need to fucking put Windex on their glass eyes and realize it's not about number go up. It's about the state of Bitcoin forever for all of our kids and our lineages down the road. That's the reason why we have to fight. I look at this argument that I'm making for you. It's very similar to the guy that put the trees right there in the back of my house. Like, I wasn't here when he did that. But I'm getting the benefit of that now because they put those nuts in the ground, the seeds in the ground.

1:18:30 I think what I did at Prague and what I'm doing here with Canute, Canute has given me the opportunity to say, what the hell did you really say to Natalie that was so bad that it had to be censored? Well, listen to this podcast because it's almost an exact duplicate. And I don't know why that's controversial. Why? Maybe because it paints some of the people that she's friendly with in a bad light. Maybe that's the real issue. I don't know. That's something maybe you could ask her about in follow-up. But the bottom line is Bitcoiners should know this There nobody in the media you should trust when it comes to Bitcoin What you should do is trust yourself by doing your own due diligence And I fully agree with what Knut said.

1:19:19 You shouldn't trust the damn thing that comes out of my mouth either. You should do your own homework. What was my job is to go to Prague and tell you what I found. And that's what I did. Fantastic. And yeah, I couldn't agree more. this is why I fell in love with this community in the first place because bitcoiners were all that way at one point during the block size wars the the real ones you could tell because we weren't afraid of slaying our heroes we weren't afraid of speaking truth to power that that was that was all bitcoin is the bitcoin community the the day that that is not true anymore is the day that bitcoin dice. We literally and metaphorically are the network, so we should start acting the part.

1:20:05 I think that's a good note to end on. Go follow Dr. Jack Cruz on X and wherever else and read all the things. Read Hodlodnot's articles to begin with and go listen to Jack's other stuff, the other pods, the longer format ones, and run BIP110. 10, get a start 9 or something and start running Noughts and upgrade to the latest version. I mean, this isn't that hard. You can always become a bit more of a Bitcoiner. There's always a way to act the part a bit more. Everyone's a node, act the part.

1:20:47 I guess that's, I already said that, but it's a good note to end on, I think. Thank you very much, Jack, for having this conversation with me. I hope to see you in El Salvador in November and we could have a longer chat I have some older video material that I made that I think is right up your alley Yoni Appleberg's YouTube channel is where you find them we made some animations together comparing Satoshi to Robert Oppenheimer just being each other's mirrors but opposite, like they both harness the power of physics to change human incentive structures There's one about 1914 and World War I being the consensus mechanism of fiat being world wars.

1:21:33 And there's one about Bitcoin being a weightless element, element zero, the informational element. I think you really like that one. It's well in line with the Landauer principle for sure. But yeah, till we meet again, enjoy the rest of summer. If it's summer in El Salvador, it's always summer in El Salvador. But anyway, yeah. Take care. Take care. This has been the Bitcoin Infinity Show. Like, subscribe, and brush your teeth. Go subscribe to us on Fountain for $5 a month in sats, of course. And yeah, till next time. Bye-bye. Thanks for listening.