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Brandon, welcome to the Bitcoin Infinity Show.

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Nice to have you here.

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Thanks, Kurt.

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Yeah, good to be here.

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Yes, you have come up with a whole new system of governance for human beings, as I understand

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it, and I'm looking forward to diving into what that is called valuearchy.

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So it's something monarchical, I guess, but more valuearchical, and it's not democracy,

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and it's property rights-based.

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But before we dive into that, please tell our listeners who you are and why you came up with this idea.

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Yeah, my name is Brendan Guest.

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I am a Canadian living out in the prairies in Saskatchewan here, out in kind of the shire of North America.

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There's not a lot going on out here.

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Yeah, I'm a father, a husband to a very beautiful wife.

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We've got another one on the way, which is good.

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and I'm a Bitcoiner, class 2020, I guess.

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Let's see, I'm, yeah, I've been running Noughts.

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Since that's a pertinent question for the times,

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I've been running Noughts since early 2023,

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but I'm not BIP110.

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And yeah, I guess I'm an author and a farmer as well.

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Yeah.

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An author of what exactly?

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Author of Valuearchy, yeah, which is a monetary value leadership system, which is actually, and you're the first person that's reflected this to me, is that it is quite monarchical in its way.

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Almost potentially even aristocratic because you're choosing the best leaders and they kind of get to rule because they have the money.

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and then uh but the people have the power to hold them accountable unlike a monarchy and unlike an

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aristocracy which is very interesting um and if it sits at the uh the bottom of the the stack in

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that it is ruled by all or at least you know controlled by all because uh as we'll dive into

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it the money has has strings attached okay so so value or key is first and foremost a book that

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you've written about this new system then. And Valiurki is also the name of the system. And

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as you may know, I am very much a Rothbardian. I think like anything political, it's really,

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we want to get away from all of it because it sort of implies

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aggression and coercion and a non-respect of the non-aggression principle. So,

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So what is valuearchy from the very base layer?

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Like, is this supposed to phase out democracy?

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Just tell me more about it, please.

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Yes, yeah, valuearchy is meant to phase out democracy

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because democracy is rather broken design and system in itself.

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It is, the best way that I can describe it

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is it's returning free market principles to the system of government, right?

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We are a hierarchical species in some regards, right?

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Everything that we create from a business to community,

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anything has layers of hierarchy.

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The problem is that we don't have any good way of choosing

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good leaders in those hierarchies.

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good businesses usually rise to the top because they have a visionary leader who is strong and

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and able to resist a lot of the the corrupt stuff that goes on but our government is not

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that same sort of you know people get involved so we end up with systems that end up crumbling

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and breaking because they are i don't know weak i guess would be the the best way to put it like

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They're corruptible because people don't have the power to hold politicians accountable.

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So valuearchy does this by basically reorganizing the order of operations on how an individual makes a decision to align more closely with free market principles.

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um and then at at the bottom of that at the very end of that they also the the interaction between

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the person and the state gets codified into contract so if the state starts to break things

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do stupid things you know take away freedom of speech for example then the people have

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the pre-existing system of the courts that they can hey like i have a contract here it says that

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you shall not infringe on my freedom of speech.

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And then they can just remove bad actors from the system in the same way that, you

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know, if you have a company that's going kind of corrupt and doing stupid stuff, you can

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just stop buying their product, right?

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Like you can boycott them and you can do the same thing at valuearchy.

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You can get an approval to be like, Hey, this government is illegal now.

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like their breach of contract. I now have a breach of contract. Now I can stop funding them.

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So that's kind of like the high level and we can get into how that works through like the

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through the phases if you want. Yeah, I'd like to like dissect this from the beginning because

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Because the anarcho-capitalist view here would be that the very premise of democracy is a violation of the only human right that exists, which is the right to be left alone.

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In other words, the non-aggression principle.

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So I do not care, like as a true ANCAP, I do not care that there's a mafia in charge and that they claim that they have power over me because of some popularity contest, which is geographically bound to whatever area they control.

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In other words, democracy. However, I do understand that they have more guns than I do, because they take people's stuff. So that the only option I have is, or the only option that makes sense is to try to bypass them as much as possible by learning about the tools available to everyone, especially since the internet, to do so.

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the main one of course being bitcoin but also other tools like moving around the world and

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shifting residency and shifting passport again getting acquiring additional passports and all

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of that i'm very interested in all of that stuff because what i want is freedom at the end of the

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day i want optionality uh but as i understand it this is a like a you're trying to replace

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democracy with a new system. And doesn't that require that you first, like, don't you have to

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accept that democracy is a system to do that? I'm struggling to formulate this question, but

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participating in democracy or trying to change it to something else is, to me, it's sort of

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by the act of doing that, you're sort of admitting that it's a thing at all.

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So what's your take there?

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How does valuearchy begin with the individual?

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And is it specified to a certain geographical area?

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What can a valuearchical government do and not do?

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What are they allowed to do?

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like, um, give me the, explain it to me like I'm five, please.

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Boy, there's, there's a lot there.

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I think I should start with exactly how it works and frame it in, in the context of democracy.

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Right.

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So each system that we have of choosing leadership uses a different kind of communication medium right So in a monarchy you communicate who the next leaders through the bloodline a dictator

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which is ruled by one, right?

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Both of those rule by one dictator is ruled by, I think you can define it as he who wields

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power the most brutally.

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aristocracy rule by a few

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and the few is supposed to be

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aristocracy and monopoly

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are ruled by a few and it's aristocracy

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is say your elite

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intelligent high class

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people monopoly is kind of who

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has gamed the system to make it corrupt

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democracy is ruled by the people

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So that's like we have rule by one, rule by a few, an elite few, and then rule by all.

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Democracy is at the bottom of that stack, rule by all, and so is valuearchy.

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Sorry for interrupting, but here is where I would disagree because democracy is promoted as rule by all, but it's not optional to participate or not.

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And I would be all for it if it was consensual.

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Like if the social contract that they talk about was actually something that I signed and agreed to.

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But it's not. It's forced upon me.

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So I don't think it's legit.

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Well, that's the same way of thinking about the difference between a dictatorship and a monarchy, right?

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Yeah, I wouldn't agree to those.

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You have no consensual.

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So democracy falls under that same kind of...

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evil ilk as dictatorship.

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Exactly.

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It's just whatever mafia has the monopoly on violence in that geographical area.

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Right.

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Versus valuearchy removes or brings back that consensual nature because you, it is,

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I call it a semi-consensual because you do have to choose a contract,

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you know, of the contracts available.

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Um, you know, there it's kind of a simple, a small compromise that it's mostly like consensual.

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We can't, I don't think that we can exist in societies where people completely opt out of the system and contribute nothing to their communities or contribute, contribute nothing to common defense of their community.

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I don't care if they don't spend money on roads and that sort of stuff, but we do need borders.

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Okay, so you think there's a necessity for a monopoly on violence to extract resources to defend however big or small the country is.

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Now, I think Mises believed in that too, but that Rothbard sort of tried to debunk that and go the whole nine yards and say that even that would be handled better by the free market, simply by asking the question, how much defense?

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Like how much should we spend on the defense budget?

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And if you have a monopoly on violence, you will inevitably spend too much.

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And then they'll start, give it a couple of decades.

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And then you got gender equality studies down the line, because they give resources to themselves.

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So how do you prevent that from happening?

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Yeah, that is definitely the slippery slope that is caused by taxation, right?

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Because taxation, the other part of that democracy is not being consensual, taxation is theft.

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And it's dictated by the people who are like, oh, we need to spend more money on defense this year.

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Okay, we'll just take more, right?

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Valuearchy, people get to choose how much they want to pay each year, right?

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And so a government can come in at the next election and say, hey, we want to raise defense spending by 20%.

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And it's going to be reflected in the price.

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And people are going to just flat out reject that because most people are going to just choose the least expensive option.

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Unless they know that they're going to war or there's something pertinent for them to want to raise to pay more for their own defense.

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the point being there that it's up to the people to make the choice and people have the choice

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in this one to say no to increased government spending and that's how it keeps it in check

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but i think we do need the monopoly on violence not necessarily from the aspect of the like needing

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the violence to hold people at bay, but rather because it's a more efficient way to run an

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economy. If you can trade and exist in a space where you don't have to have armored vehicles

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to move your goods and services around your area, you're going to have an economic advantage

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versus if you're in a complete ANCAP society

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where the defense of your specific stuff

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is up to you all the time.

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You're going to have the train robberies,

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the vehicle thefts.

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You're not going to be able to move goods and services

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without private security at every turn, essentially.

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And that becomes a very resource-intensive endeavor.

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and I don't think it works.

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This is basically how,

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you could look at countries like Brazil.

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They're a little bit more into that

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where they don't have a monopoly on violence

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and their economy struggles

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compared to a high trust society,

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which is kind of the other side of that coin

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of monopoly on violence.

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Basically, everybody in this zone

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gets to operate without fear of

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you know, being stolen from at random. They just get stolen from by the government. But

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we can, we can fix that stealing of the government part. But we need to make sure that,

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you know, when you're driving or when you're out or your property, you don't need to defend it

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all the time. Because you know that there's somebody there with a really big stick,

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that if somebody comes and attacks your property,

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you have, like, that is the purpose of the government

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is they serve you to be your big stick.

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When somebody comes and, like, messes with your property,

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you can go give them a bonk on the head

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and they're like, no, no, no, don't do that.

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So they kind of operate as a security force,

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just the one security force.

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If you have multiple security forces in an area,

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they ultimately will end up competing.

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right there because they're violent institutions you know it becomes a every to a to hammer every

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every solution or every problem's a nail right they're like well we want these guys territory

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we want more business so we're gonna kind of drum up some and go and and you know offer security

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for this other community that we want um and then that i don't know it might not work that way but

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It gets a little bit more contentious.

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That's not to say that private security doesn't have a role to play

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when there is already a monopoly on violence

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because there's kind of added level stuff

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that has to be provided by the private security force

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because they're just a little bit more niche, right?

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It's just that the government is to kind of keep everybody at the borders okay

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and then inside they relatively are a light touch.

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I think only should deal with property rights stuff violations.

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Yeah, for this conversation's sake, let's just say that I take the Misesian view rather than the Rothbardian view, because I don't want to make it a debate about whether private, military and law enforcement is possible or not.

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So within this system you would have a government and their main purpose would be to protect their citizens from outside and inside threats Is that right Like a police force and a military

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But would there be elections?

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Would you choose leaders via an election and how would that work?

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so in the book i left it up to i pretty much just left it as the first principles of the the system

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and the implementations will figure out which one is the the best um because that's a little

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bit more into the details and and second and third order sort of things to to deal with i think you

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can do away with elections entirely and instead do it as a trigger mechanism so save so how value

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works is you have the initial election where you choose the leader that system wait a minute the

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the initial election so it starts out as a democratic election but you choose another

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system yes yeah all right um it just yeah so in democracy our system works such that we have

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the the promise of the politician is first then the second is the people vote for that

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set of promises then they learn the price in terms of the budget the find out face of the

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to find out and then the the fourth phase is they pay for it in the taxes right so valuearchy or

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let's look at a free market interaction you want to go buy something i want something that's the

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promise then you learn what it costs that's the price then you make the decision whether or not

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you can pay for it and then you pay for it right so the middle two are switched in the free market

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it and it makes all the difference in the world.

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If I go into a store and I'm like, Hey, I want that.

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Like I want it like, right.

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And then I don't look at the price and I just go up to the till.

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Like my entire decision is based on wants and whims.

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But when that price comes, it becomes a, well, I don't, I don't need that much.

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I don't like that is not worth that price or, Hey, that's a good

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value right either way it becomes more of a rational decision so valuearchy does the same

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thing is the politicians they go and they promise whatever they want but the prices has to be

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given on the ballot before people go vote right so pretty much putting the budget before the vote

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this is so interesting because there there was a similar suggestion in in swedish politics that

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there would be, so some representative of some party had the suggestion that there would be a

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breakdown of what the taxes actually went to, like what they were funding. But almost all the

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political parties and all the other politicians were against this. Like they simply didn't want

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that because they don't want people to see, like that's the whole point. Democracy is really madness

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when you think about it this way,

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that you're buying something

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without having any idea

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what the price of the thing is

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and what you're getting for your money.

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And they want to hide that

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as much as they can

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because they have no incentive

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to show it to you

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because there would be pitchforks

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and torches the day after.

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Like people would be,

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if they knew what their money was going to,

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which is for the most part,

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you know, military industrial complex

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and interest to central banks.

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Welfare states.

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Welfare states are huge too.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Like 40% or so in most.

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That's a big chunk of money.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Paying people to not do shit.

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But they can do that to buy votes.

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So the politicians know that they don't want the price to come first.

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But there would be an initial election,

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and this would be one of the democratic elections.

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So you would still have to win a democratic election to get this off the ground.

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Is that right?

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Or am I getting that wrong?

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No, because changing that order changes everything, right?

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So democratic, in my opinion, is a bunch of people shouting loudly in a room until nothing happens, right?

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Like, all that matters in democracy, it's a very, say, matriarchal system, is it doesn't matter what the outcome is.

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It just matters that everybody's hurt.

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Kind of a useless system when you're talking about running millions of people.

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valuearchy because you're putting the price first people are making an educated decision or a

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rational decision based on their specific context right so valuearchy doesn't care about the group

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dynamic doesn't care about any of that it's only the individual based on what they think about

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their context and about what the politicians are choosing right or like promising and their

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assessment of the value.

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Hence why it's called valuearchy.

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So that

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changes

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how they essentially

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will choose, but they do

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choose from a

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set of candidates.

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This is kind of where

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the implementation versus

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where

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the book is just first principles.

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The implementation is going to be

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a little bit different, right?

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Like theory versus practical implementation.

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They get to choose amongst the set of candidates

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and then they sign a contract essentially with their candidate

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that that person's their representative

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and that contract then becomes a legally binding

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of limitations for the government

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but also what the person is allowed to pay every month.

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and then right we have to start somewhere so it is an election but from that point on you essentially

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have a group of candidates which are a sort of quasi you know there's there's some selection

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in the free market in the market of political candidates and there's no reason why we need to

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wait four years five years you know before we can switch candidates if your candidate that you signed

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contract with starts to do terrible shit. You know, like, Hey, this guy's not representing me.

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You know, my insurance company doesn't need me to wait four years before I can change policy.

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Right. I can just go and sign a contract with the competitor candidate that was that was

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established. Um, and that becomes a dynamic system where the politicians must always listen

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to the people or must always represent the people to the at least to the letter of the contract

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so that people don't leave them and stop supporting the um like their their platform i guess um and

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this is where the the wrinkle of valuearchy is that the leader of all of these candidates

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is chosen by the candidate who is bringing in the most amount of money right there's the sum

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right this a democracy it's total number of votes regardless of your substance as a politician

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valuearchy doesn't care as much about the number of votes it cares about the number of votes

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multiplied by the dollar value of your contract so let's say let's just simplify it that we have

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two candidates in the initial election we have one that's a thousand dollars a month and we have

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one that's $1 a month.

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Now, a whole bunch of people might

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vote for the $1 a month person,

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but there's

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no way that you can afford

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to run a government on a month Your country would get steamed ruled by another country because you would have no defense spending Or your economy like you wouldn be able to enforce property rights so thieves would

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be able to steal as much and it gets messy.

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So there's like a minimum number.

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But the candidate that would probably win would be the one that has priced appropriately

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and people's value assessment would be like okay this is actually the highest value and then

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multiplied by the sum that candidate has the highest sum of money which means that they have

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the highest amount of ability to project work into the world because they have control of the

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most money who would who would decide this minimum amount and and how um i wrote it into the

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uh it is a problem because if you don't have a minimum it collapses and it fails so i worked

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around that problem by adding into that the contract must provide the constitutionally minimum

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services right but who gets to decide that well that would be the constitutional document of of

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the nation right so in the u.s that would be you know freedom of speech and the second amendment and

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and a bunch of these sort of things and they're like oh we we're to provide military defense of

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and you know property property rights like all of the things that are laid out in a kind of a

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constitutional. Now that's the base. The base, let's say I'd say like the base, this base

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services that all candidates must meet, and then anything extra is kind of up to the free

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market.

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Yeah, but still, sorry for double clicking on this, but who would write the constitutional

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document? Like who would who would decide what the minimum amount is at the end of the

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day. There must be a decision there at some point. Because I guess the Constitution would

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look different in a valuearchy system than the old democratic Constitution. Funnily enough,

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there's very little about democracy in the American Constitution. But that sets aside,

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like wouldn't this need a new constitutional document and how would you decide on what group

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of people would decide on what would end up in that document? That's a long and convoluted

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sentence but who examines the doctors? Who chose the you know the founding fathers of the US?

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well i don't think anyone chose them i i think they banded together and said let's do this

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yeah i i think that's that's one answer is i think value has a really good chance of working

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for city-state right very small communities will adopt it and then they'll kind of create their own

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constitutions and then they'll grow is one avenue. The other avenue is if you graft it onto the

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system right now, democracy, like you just switch just price, people's voting behaviors will change

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instantly, right? Like if people knew that they paid, well, here in Canada, I think the average

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is like 20 grand a year in taxes or more, right? Like if they knew that it was 20 grand, they're

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like, absolutely not. And that will, it's that one change that goes, changes government spending

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from going like this to like this. And on the down, there will be a desire for people from the

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public anyways to rewrite the constitution, right? There's no, there's nothing saying that we cannot

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make constitutional changes to our countries right and it's i'll leave it up to the leaders

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at the time in the future once that kind of slope has changed and you're you're on a different path

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where you see like hey all of these things in this constitution don't don't really make sense

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anymore and we need to we need to change it right like there are some constitutions that are only

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10 years old now in the world

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it's you know it's

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they change all the time and

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it's kind of a

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non-answer to your question

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and a little bit of a dodge

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but people will change it

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in the future

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once

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once they kind of start interacting

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with the new system

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yeah

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ugly answer

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Yeah, I'm still curious about the bootstrapping phase of this thing.

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So you say you would have to have an initial election.

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And I guess that would be a democratic election.

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The problem with that is that libertarian ideas aren't very popular because the government has already turned half of the population into voting cattle and collectivism.

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No, no.

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Nonsense.

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Yeah, I got to stop here because I think it would no longer be democratic.

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All right.

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Democratic is a decision before price.

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It would be a valuearchy decision.

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Yeah, but how would you convince people to accept that,

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given that they think that the regular election is legit and that's it?

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It's not like these things change on a dime, right?

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Yes, yeah.

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I mean, you're talking about pre-implementation of the valuearchy

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first, you know, first election, because you'd basically be running on a platform

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in the democratic system to, I think it would work simply as proposing, like running on a platform

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of election reform. It should have been like, hey, everybody, I don't care what anything else,

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my one thing is I want politicians to have a price before contract in the following election.

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If you vote me in, you can do it that way.

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So that does require a democratic election to get working on in the existing system.

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I don't care much for the existing system because it's a bunch of rotten apples at this point.

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There is another way of bootstrapping valuearchy, which is just on the smaller community level.

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Yeah, that sounds much more plausible to me, because the democratic systems are already rigged, not in the way people think, but just the very fact that the biggest party wins means that it's favorable to collectivists.

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by its very nature.

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Yeah.

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And that you can vote for,

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I want some of that guy's stuff.

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It's just rotten to its core.

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So I don't think it's changeable in that sense.

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But let's play around with this thought a bit.

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You're from Canada.

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So there's the Alberta Freedom Movement in Canada,

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which I have a lot of friends in.

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and I cheer for it a lot.

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So this would be, I guess, a good testing ground for this.

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If Alberta were to become independent,

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is there any chance, do you think,

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that you could promote this idea there

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and print this into the Albertan constitution?

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I would love to try.

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So I am originally from Alberta.

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I'm an Albertan born and raised.

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We moved here to Saskatchewan to the wife's family,

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farm. So I also support their endeavor to get, let's say, sovereignty of their voting,

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at least in the democratic system, because for all my life, elections have

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been decided in Canada before I went to vote, because all the seats lie in Ontario and Quebec.

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I do have reservations about the independence movement because

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it seems as though that they're going to just recreate democracy,

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but they're at the top of the pile this time.

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And democracy produces shit outcomes, right?

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So, yes, they'll fix it for a generation or two,

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and it'll be, hey, we'll just spend on the things that we need,

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and then, you know, in two, three generations,

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we'll have all the same shit happen again, right?

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that doesn't really fix the problem so i do think that this is

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like this is something that i want them to try and implement i just i my reach is so small i'm kind of

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a just quiet person out here doing my thing um and i i am working on on getting it i have talked

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to a few uh drillers in because i i work with drillers a lot in kind of across canada um and

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I've mentioned it to them and they are on board.

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Like the salt of the earth people that are out and working, they get it pretty instantly

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that if you put price before the vote, it changes everything.

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And because they see all the welfare spending and they see like people just don't make rational

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decisions when it comes to the economy.

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I think it's because they lack price.

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but I yeah I do want to like my goal is to get it in front of Ben BTC sessions at some point

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and because he's kind of close to a few of the guys that that kind of

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I don't have some sway with the whole movement constitutionally though I think this would

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be fairly straightforward to implement. You'd basically be saying that you'd outline the

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limitations or the mandatory services of the government, basically. You know, that you could

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simplify it to the government shall not print money. You know, people shall have the freedom

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to speak. People have the freedom to defend themselves using any means necessary. That

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The government is responsible for enforcing infringements upon private property.

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They're not enforcing the private property.

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They're enforcing infringements upon your private property.

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That government shall not infringe on your right to do what you wish with your private property.

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Building codes are the worst.

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So stupid.

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And then shall defend its borders, right?

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Yeah.

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I think the elections would carry out, your constitution, I believe, should cover your

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election system, like how you do it, who is determined to be the winner, right?

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And that would basically be the, you know, the winner would be the sum total.

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of contract value times by the number of people who chose that contract.

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I think you could probably simplify constitution to about that minimum.

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Yeah.

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I think it was Fredrik Bastiat who wrote that government shouldn't have more rights than its citizens.

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So if something is not allowed for a citizen to do,

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it shouldn't be allowed for the government to do that thing either.

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Which sort of means no taxes, I guess.

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Because I'm not allowed to tax my neighbor.

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I'm not allowed to print money.

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I'm not allowed to, you know, rape children

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and all the other things that governments allegedly do.

451
00:38:45,195 --> 00:38:45,355
Allegedly.

452
00:38:47,335 --> 00:38:50,195
That's still wild that nobody's gone to prison for that.

453
00:38:51,655 --> 00:38:52,615
Nobody's been arrested.

454
00:38:53,395 --> 00:38:53,615
No.

455
00:38:53,615 --> 00:39:04,695
When you say the price before you make the decision, it's absolutely vulgar that it isn't that way already.

456
00:39:05,915 --> 00:39:08,295
It would make all the difference.

457
00:39:08,515 --> 00:39:10,035
Would I buy this or not?

458
00:39:11,615 --> 00:39:16,275
There's no other scenario in the world where that is true.

459
00:39:16,275 --> 00:39:23,695
right like um and one of my favorite things so when i was writing this i kept seeing those

460
00:39:23,695 --> 00:39:30,515
youtube short videos of street interviews where they would do this they do the question without

461
00:39:30,515 --> 00:39:36,855
the price included or the cost and people in the comments would be like oh look at all these

462
00:39:36,855 --> 00:39:43,015
hypocritical lefties look at how stupid they are and i just like something was off about it because

463
00:39:43,015 --> 00:39:48,535
like you're placing these people into an interview right it's similar to like a vote where you're

464
00:39:48,535 --> 00:39:53,615
like hey what do you think about that what is your what do you think about this thing let's choose

465
00:39:53,615 --> 00:39:58,695
open borders for example because that was quite relevant at the time back then it's you know do

466
00:39:58,695 --> 00:40:02,675
you think people should be able to come into this country like do you think that there should be

467
00:40:02,675 --> 00:40:08,575
open borders right and they got a camera and a microphone in their face and the people most often

468
00:40:08,575 --> 00:40:14,795
said like oh yeah sure open borders should be a thing you know and then people would be like well

469
00:40:14,795 --> 00:40:22,515
do you want like this guy or boo boo to come into your home right now go home with you and people

470
00:40:22,515 --> 00:40:30,575
be like no because there was a cost associated with the question right and then so that changes

471
00:40:30,575 --> 00:40:35,595
people's answer like on the spot right it's just the first question was asked in a democratic way

472
00:40:35,595 --> 00:40:37,315
where it's like, hey, what would you like?

473
00:40:37,955 --> 00:40:39,515
And then we'll always sort out the cost

474
00:40:39,515 --> 00:40:40,635
and steal it from you later.

475
00:40:41,435 --> 00:40:43,635
And then the second question was the same question,

476
00:40:43,775 --> 00:40:45,695
but hey, you have to be responsible

477
00:40:45,695 --> 00:40:47,515
for this person in your own home.

478
00:40:48,495 --> 00:40:50,855
And people are like, I don't want this person in my home

479
00:40:50,855 --> 00:40:52,935
because there's a cost.

480
00:40:52,935 --> 00:40:57,075
And it turns them from being vulnerable

481
00:40:57,075 --> 00:40:58,495
of saying the wrong thing.

482
00:40:59,235 --> 00:41:00,815
When they have that camera in their face,

483
00:41:00,875 --> 00:41:01,675
they're in the panopticon

484
00:41:01,675 --> 00:41:04,375
and they don't want to give the wrong answer

485
00:41:04,375 --> 00:41:05,575
and get canceled, right?

486
00:41:05,595 --> 00:41:10,595
versus they're in the panopticon in the second end question as well.

487
00:41:10,735 --> 00:41:11,835
But now they have price.

488
00:41:12,315 --> 00:41:13,295
Now they have cost.

489
00:41:13,915 --> 00:41:14,675
And it doesn't matter.

490
00:41:14,775 --> 00:41:15,875
And they give their honest opinion.

491
00:41:16,495 --> 00:41:17,395
But they give the truth.

492
00:41:17,855 --> 00:41:18,835
It changes everything.

493
00:41:19,715 --> 00:41:20,055
Absolutely.

494
00:41:20,375 --> 00:41:21,395
I've seen that clip.

495
00:41:21,395 --> 00:41:27,395
I think it's simply that people don't understand that they will have to bear the cost.

496
00:41:27,735 --> 00:41:32,615
Like it's just, shall we accept more immigrants?

497
00:41:32,615 --> 00:41:35,775
They just don't see the cost involved with that.

498
00:41:35,875 --> 00:41:38,395
And of course, there's nothing wrong with immigration itself.

499
00:41:39,235 --> 00:41:44,835
I would be pro as much immigration as possible as long as they pay for themselves.

500
00:41:45,795 --> 00:41:47,435
Yeah, which is not the case.

501
00:41:47,995 --> 00:41:49,835
No, because that is the problem.

502
00:41:49,955 --> 00:41:50,755
It's not the immigration.

503
00:41:51,295 --> 00:41:53,355
It's paying for the immigration.

504
00:41:53,715 --> 00:41:55,795
Why wouldn't the immigrant pay for that?

505
00:41:55,835 --> 00:41:56,775
I mean, I'm an immigrant.

506
00:41:56,975 --> 00:41:58,275
I don't live in Sweden anymore.

507
00:41:58,335 --> 00:41:59,015
I live in Spain.

508
00:41:59,475 --> 00:42:01,475
And I paid for absolutely everything.

509
00:42:01,475 --> 00:42:08,675
there's no one paying me to go here it's my own choice and yeah i i lived in england for three

510
00:42:08,675 --> 00:42:15,935
years i paid for everything myself no assistance i come back to canada and you're like there's

511
00:42:15,935 --> 00:42:19,775
people that have been here for a few months and they're brand buying or they're they got brand

512
00:42:19,775 --> 00:42:26,555
new cars all sorts of stuff you're like you're not you know i moved to another country you don't

513
00:42:26,555 --> 00:42:34,475
have the credit to take out a loan to buy that 120 000 car i don't have the credit after moving

514
00:42:34,475 --> 00:42:42,615
back here like to buy that car so yeah they're getting free money from everybody well they're

515
00:42:42,615 --> 00:42:48,895
getting free money from everyone else that's trying to do it honestly and that yeah it's bad

516
00:42:48,895 --> 00:42:49,815
it's bad here.

517
00:42:50,855 --> 00:42:52,815
Yeah. Back to the

518
00:42:52,815 --> 00:42:55,015
Rothbardian versus

519
00:42:55,015 --> 00:42:57,075
Misesian aspect of this

520
00:42:57,075 --> 00:42:57,995
conversation, I guess.

521
00:42:58,715 --> 00:43:00,895
The Rothbardian argument for

522
00:43:00,895 --> 00:43:03,075
all government being bad

523
00:43:03,075 --> 00:43:05,195
would be that it's all a slippery

524
00:43:05,195 --> 00:43:07,255
slope. And also,

525
00:43:07,815 --> 00:43:08,995
even though we don't need

526
00:43:08,995 --> 00:43:11,275
empirical evidence in a priori

527
00:43:11,275 --> 00:43:11,735
sciences,

528
00:43:12,575 --> 00:43:15,015
there's evidence all around us that

529
00:43:15,015 --> 00:43:15,875
all governments,

530
00:43:15,875 --> 00:43:18,555
They deal in bads.

531
00:43:18,555 --> 00:43:31,069
They take people stuff and they wage wars They commit more crime than any other entity in the world There nothing as bad as a government And it true for almost every country

532
00:43:31,069 --> 00:43:35,549
or it is true for every country. It's always extractive and it's always a net bad.

533
00:43:36,349 --> 00:43:40,269
And the saddest part of that is that people simply don't see it.

534
00:43:41,549 --> 00:43:46,349
Also, the freedom of speech thing. There's a great Rothbard book called The Ethics of Liberty,

535
00:43:46,349 --> 00:43:49,149
which changed my views on freedom of speech

536
00:43:49,149 --> 00:43:51,129
because I was always a freedom of speech advocate.

537
00:43:51,309 --> 00:43:53,189
I thought it was the most important thing in the world.

538
00:43:54,109 --> 00:43:58,649
But Rothbard points out that everyone forgets the follow-up question

539
00:43:58,649 --> 00:44:00,389
and that is freedom of speech where?

540
00:44:01,349 --> 00:44:03,769
And if you have absolute property rights,

541
00:44:04,209 --> 00:44:06,409
there is no need for freedom of speech laws

542
00:44:06,409 --> 00:44:10,389
because I get to decide who gets to say what on my property,

543
00:44:10,889 --> 00:44:13,069
including on my social media platform,

544
00:44:13,209 --> 00:44:15,849
including like there is no public space anymore

545
00:44:15,849 --> 00:44:38,789
And therefore, there's no need for freedom of speech laws, which is like pointing the it's pointed out to me why property rights are so much more fundamental than freedom of speech laws. Freedom of speech is sort of this lie on top of we have taken your stuff in that sense. And I mean, taking your stuff and you can't speak about it.

546
00:44:38,789 --> 00:44:45,589
Well, free market would fix that, which we can see.

547
00:44:45,849 --> 00:44:51,569
competition between social media platforms right now, the ones that are more pro-free speech

548
00:44:51,569 --> 00:44:58,329
get more users. So you have an incentive as the owner of a social media platform to allow

549
00:44:58,329 --> 00:45:06,209
a certain level of free speech or quite a lot of free speech. You're also incentivized to ban

550
00:45:06,209 --> 00:45:15,589
stuff that most people don't want because they think it's vile or bad. So I mean, the free

551
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:25,669
market fixes all of that and sets the appropriate limits. So how would that work in a value

552
00:45:25,669 --> 00:45:32,389
arcy society? Would you need freedom of speech laws? Would there be official channels to

553
00:45:32,389 --> 00:45:36,709
synchronize all this? How would that work?

554
00:45:41,509 --> 00:45:44,949
Value arcy doesn't necessarily deal too much with freedom of speech.

555
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:56,249
in in in all honesty it does in this chapter two it does really talk about how

556
00:45:56,249 --> 00:46:04,749
you maintain supreme control over your own property while also having this government

557
00:46:04,749 --> 00:46:14,809
entity available to kind of keep the invaders at bay right so it's it's this idea of supreme

558
00:46:14,809 --> 00:46:23,229
property sovereignty individually in balance with having this large institution that is

559
00:46:23,229 --> 00:46:29,669
able to protect you so that you can have the efficiency gained by private property.

560
00:46:29,669 --> 00:46:41,769
And at its very core, if you own your property, you can exist in that space and do anything

561
00:46:41,769 --> 00:46:43,829
that you want, and it costs you nothing.

562
00:46:44,809 --> 00:46:51,969
Right? Like I can eat, I can breathe, I can drink, I can do, I can say whatever I want

563
00:46:51,969 --> 00:46:54,929
on my property and it costs me nothing.

564
00:46:54,929 --> 00:47:05,889
Um, we, the governments that you reference are definitely more gang.

565
00:47:05,889 --> 00:47:07,769
I just, we don't have another word for it.

566
00:47:07,769 --> 00:47:10,849
It's like government is a good version of gang.

567
00:47:10,849 --> 00:47:13,169
Good to being in quotations.

568
00:47:13,169 --> 00:47:21,009
Um, valuearchy just realigns that government purpose with maintaining

569
00:47:21,009 --> 00:47:30,389
people's private property rights through making sure that the, the, the way that

570
00:47:30,389 --> 00:47:34,469
the government is funded is consensual and voluntary, right?

571
00:47:34,729 --> 00:47:39,289
If the government starts to infringe upon your property rights, it's encoded in

572
00:47:39,289 --> 00:47:41,969
contract and you can stop funding the government.

573
00:47:43,169 --> 00:47:49,669
That then means that the government will not infringe upon your private property rights.

574
00:47:50,369 --> 00:47:55,229
There's a loop there that hasn't been closed in democracy.

575
00:47:55,769 --> 00:48:00,049
Democracy is, well, actually all other forms of government will do.

576
00:48:00,109 --> 00:48:05,129
Monarchy, dictatorship, aristocracy, monopoly, and democracy all have,

577
00:48:06,329 --> 00:48:08,949
the government has supreme control over you.

578
00:48:08,949 --> 00:48:15,089
valuearchy is the only one where you have the accountability to the ability to hold the

579
00:48:15,089 --> 00:48:19,949
government accountable by removing funds if the government infringes upon your private property

580
00:48:19,949 --> 00:48:27,589
rights and that's the only way that we will ever be able to uh right like the checkbook is is how

581
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:32,889
you hold the government accountable they've got the guns right if the canadian government rolled

582
00:48:32,889 --> 00:48:38,809
through my neck of the woods with a bunch of tanks it doesn't really matter how patriotic

583
00:48:38,809 --> 00:48:47,069
raw raw or how good of a shot I am. I'm not gonna like fight that like realistically. Um,

584
00:48:47,389 --> 00:48:52,769
but if the government infringes on my, my property rights or my freedom of speech or anything that's

585
00:48:52,769 --> 00:48:57,669
encoded into the contract, I can go to the courtroom and I can get a, an approval.

586
00:48:58,709 --> 00:49:05,749
This is a breach of contract. I can withdraw my funding. It's a zero conflict method to hold the

587
00:49:05,749 --> 00:49:11,289
government accountable and it's it's this is where it lies outside of all the other systems is that

588
00:49:11,289 --> 00:49:19,829
we we can maintain control over our gang so that they serve us which is hopefully what we

589
00:49:19,829 --> 00:49:26,389
you know which is kind of what we want otherwise we end up with well the world today of everyone

590
00:49:26,389 --> 00:49:30,829
fighting each other which i don't think is what the people want but it's what the governments want

591
00:49:30,829 --> 00:49:41,589
Okay, so let's pick that apart, because I'm not convinced that it will work for the very reason that there is a monopoly on violence.

592
00:49:41,589 --> 00:49:54,549
So if they have the guns, what's stopping them from corrupting the courts or simply just saying when you stop funding them, they say, no, that's illegal now and we're going to take the money anyway?

593
00:49:54,989 --> 00:49:56,509
Because this is what governments do.

594
00:49:56,609 --> 00:49:58,089
They do that all the time.

595
00:49:58,089 --> 00:50:00,929
So how is valuearchy different there?

596
00:50:01,869 --> 00:50:21,389
Because to me, it sounds like a sort of utopian check on government because it's not really keeping them in check since they still have the monopoly on violence, which will inevitably lead to corrupt decision because they would never give up that monopoly once it's given to them.

597
00:50:23,609 --> 00:50:26,749
Yeah, so I cover this in a couple of different spots in the book.

598
00:50:28,089 --> 00:50:33,489
So you're talking about the money comes with strings attached, I guess.

599
00:50:34,089 --> 00:50:40,409
This idea that, I called it the one degree of separation that money has.

600
00:50:41,769 --> 00:50:50,089
When I pay you for a service, like we literally call it serve, you serve me for that payment.

601
00:50:51,189 --> 00:50:56,129
So when it comes to a government, the government pays the courts.

602
00:50:56,129 --> 00:50:58,349
so the courts don't serve us

603
00:50:58,349 --> 00:50:59,729
the courts serve the government

604
00:50:59,729 --> 00:51:02,749
right yes the government doesn't serve us

605
00:51:02,749 --> 00:51:04,229
because they take from us in taxes

606
00:51:04,229 --> 00:51:06,629
right no in no

607
00:51:06,629 --> 00:51:08,569
world does the thief listen

608
00:51:08,569 --> 00:51:10,589
to the person that they're being

609
00:51:10,589 --> 00:51:12,549
stolen from now please don't steal my

610
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:14,409
TV and have to just walk out with it anyways

611
00:51:14,409 --> 00:51:15,329
it doesn't matter

612
00:51:15,329 --> 00:51:16,529
um

613
00:51:16,529 --> 00:51:19,369
valuearchy

614
00:51:19,369 --> 00:51:22,609
has the ability to distribute

615
00:51:22,609 --> 00:51:24,489
the branches of government

616
00:51:24,489 --> 00:51:25,969
right so the

617
00:51:26,129 --> 00:51:31,829
person, like the individual, can pay and hold the contract with the courts and pay and hold

618
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:33,469
the contract with the executive branch.

619
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:35,069
Right?

620
00:51:36,249 --> 00:51:36,789
Okay.

621
00:51:36,909 --> 00:51:40,289
So the courts are completely detached from the government.

622
00:51:40,989 --> 00:51:41,549
Right.

623
00:51:42,089 --> 00:51:44,729
So it's still paid for by the people.

624
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:49,569
But if it's paid directly by the person, the courts will serve the person.

625
00:51:50,069 --> 00:51:50,169
Right?

626
00:51:50,229 --> 00:51:51,249
Don't bite the hand to feed.

627
00:51:51,549 --> 00:51:53,529
So it's private courts, basically.

628
00:51:53,529 --> 00:51:53,729
Right.

629
00:51:56,129 --> 00:52:15,823
Yes So I think all civil courts should be private again This is more of the criminal courts right civil courts here in north america anyways have been were private up until the 90s uh but yeah but i talking about always been

630
00:52:15,823 --> 00:52:22,743
intertwined with the government right and we can actually distribute that in the same way that like

631
00:52:22,743 --> 00:52:28,263
a republic tries to distribute the power of the government through through different kind of papers

632
00:52:28,263 --> 00:52:36,143
we can actually just do that with the money and the way the money flows and we can fund the courts

633
00:52:36,143 --> 00:52:44,183
directly the the criminal courts which is kind of in your realm of your your murder

634
00:52:44,183 --> 00:52:51,023
it's after your major infringements on private property rights or private property in general

635
00:52:51,023 --> 00:52:56,483
fraud like the the big ones the important ones um does that make sense

636
00:52:58,263 --> 00:53:19,143
Well, yes and no. I'm struggling to see how you would prevent this from becoming corrupt if it's not entirely consensual and voluntary and if you have a minimum thing you have to pay and if you do have the monopoly on violence.

637
00:53:19,143 --> 00:53:35,443
I'm struggling to see how the entity with the monopoly would not corrupt the system. I'm not sure what that would look like exactly.

638
00:53:35,443 --> 00:53:47,663
And I like the idea of separating the branches of government, like in the U.S. Constitution with the Supreme Court and all of that.

639
00:53:48,503 --> 00:53:50,463
But I don't think it works.

640
00:53:50,703 --> 00:53:58,143
I think it's been corrupted over time and that the U.S. is not following its own constitution at all at this point.

641
00:53:58,983 --> 00:54:01,043
Yes, I completely agree.

642
00:54:01,043 --> 00:54:03,703
They don't have a constitution anymore.

643
00:54:03,703 --> 00:54:06,143
in practical sense.

644
00:54:06,543 --> 00:54:07,883
So that is,

645
00:54:08,423 --> 00:54:09,963
for me,

646
00:54:10,423 --> 00:54:13,883
the umbrella

647
00:54:13,883 --> 00:54:15,543
question here is

648
00:54:15,543 --> 00:54:17,923
how do you actually keep

649
00:54:17,923 --> 00:54:19,943
these people in check

650
00:54:19,943 --> 00:54:21,883
once you give them the monopoly on violence?

651
00:54:23,003 --> 00:54:23,863
But that's

652
00:54:23,863 --> 00:54:25,783
the accountability, like literally

653
00:54:25,783 --> 00:54:26,223
the money.

654
00:54:28,323 --> 00:54:29,663
If you can stop

655
00:54:29,663 --> 00:54:31,983
paying the government legitimately, it doesn't

656
00:54:31,983 --> 00:54:33,043
matter how much

657
00:54:33,703 --> 00:54:39,723
how much violence they can wield well it does because if they if you already paid for the guns

658
00:54:39,723 --> 00:54:46,563
they they have the gun so you've already uh paid for their guns with your money and now they have

659
00:54:46,563 --> 00:54:53,283
the guns so they can take more of your money like that that's sort of the no because they they need

660
00:54:53,283 --> 00:55:02,323
more money to pay somebody to go to your house and steal your shit right so yes they have the

661
00:55:02,323 --> 00:55:07,603
capital, they have the guns, they'll sit there and they'll be static, but they need to pay people to

662
00:55:07,603 --> 00:55:15,183
be the enforcers. So there's a constant draw of needing this money, like inflow, in order to pay

663
00:55:15,183 --> 00:55:22,043
the soldiers, right? But if you cut off the supply of money, the soldiers are not going to listen to

664
00:55:22,043 --> 00:55:26,483
the government. And this is very well documented through history. When the money is collapsing,

665
00:55:26,483 --> 00:55:32,023
the military is usually the first one to ask to start being paid in gold

666
00:55:32,023 --> 00:55:43,003
because they need to pay their soldiers to go do stupid shit right but if you if right so that

667
00:55:43,003 --> 00:55:50,583
that scenario exists because democracy is completely funded through theft right so they

668
00:55:50,583 --> 00:55:56,243
can keep taking from you no matter if you how many laws that they break how many constitutions

669
00:55:56,243 --> 00:56:01,123
they trample over, they can still just keep stealing your money. In valuearchy, there is no

670
00:56:01,123 --> 00:56:06,843
taxation. There is only funding directly through the contract, through direct payment, right? So

671
00:56:06,843 --> 00:56:14,343
if your government goes haywire, right, you have a breach of contract that you can get signed in

672
00:56:14,343 --> 00:56:21,263
any course, right? It's a very simple, like, there's so much case law, there's so much precedence

673
00:56:21,263 --> 00:56:25,163
of like, this is actually just a breach of contract and a contract is null and void.

674
00:56:25,163 --> 00:56:32,523
you can legally stop paying and if you can legally stop paying right like there are some

675
00:56:32,523 --> 00:56:38,943
rules to these games the governments play um they don't necessarily make a lot of sense but there are

676
00:56:38,943 --> 00:56:47,143
some there is some sort of rule that they they will follow the rules of a contract they they

677
00:56:47,143 --> 00:56:54,283
will kind of follow but this is where you don't have me convinced because i'm more convinced that

678
00:56:54,283 --> 00:56:58,063
they won't follow that rule and just start taking people's shit.

679
00:56:58,723 --> 00:57:01,583
And you can't stop them because the court doesn't have an army.

680
00:57:02,103 --> 00:57:05,763
Like, I mean, there's no way to defend against them.

681
00:57:06,523 --> 00:57:12,583
Yeah, but how is that different from everyone just stopping,

682
00:57:13,543 --> 00:57:15,523
just not paying taxes anymore?

683
00:57:15,523 --> 00:57:16,583
Like, we could do that.

684
00:57:16,983 --> 00:57:18,503
Humanity could do that right now.

685
00:57:18,583 --> 00:57:22,103
We could just all stop paying taxes and all the governments would collapse

686
00:57:22,103 --> 00:57:23,303
and everything would be dandy.

687
00:57:23,303 --> 00:57:29,883
it's just that people don't know that and we would have to do it all at the same time for it to work

688
00:57:29,883 --> 00:57:38,823
so so that might be a bit of a difference of you know if us not paying taxes as much as i would

689
00:57:38,823 --> 00:57:44,723
love to do that is too risky from an individual perspective because it requires that everybody

690
00:57:44,723 --> 00:57:51,623
else that you know at the same time stops paying taxes yeah but how is valuearchy different there

691
00:57:51,623 --> 00:57:54,043
because that also requires everyone else to do that.

692
00:57:54,103 --> 00:57:55,783
Otherwise, you just end up with the same thing.

693
00:57:56,423 --> 00:58:02,643
No, but if you can do it under a breach of contract, right,

694
00:58:02,683 --> 00:58:07,903
and you have legal precedents, you have a legal means to do it,

695
00:58:07,903 --> 00:58:09,883
you are kind of protected by the law

696
00:58:09,883 --> 00:58:15,023
because there are some kind of rules to these games, right,

697
00:58:15,083 --> 00:58:18,223
that you are protected and that you,

698
00:58:18,223 --> 00:58:25,643
it negates the risk for the individual to pursue that mean to stop funding the government.

699
00:58:26,483 --> 00:58:31,963
Right now the only mean to stop paying taxes is to kind of get a whole bunch of people together

700
00:58:31,963 --> 00:58:34,843
and being like on this day we're going to stop paying taxes.

701
00:58:36,063 --> 00:58:40,763
That is just too hard to coordinate right because you need like a mass movement

702
00:58:40,763 --> 00:58:44,963
a mass almost psychosis of people to go do that at one time.

703
00:58:44,963 --> 00:58:52,423
valuearchy makes it low conflict low risk in order to do that which means that there will always

704
00:58:52,423 --> 00:58:57,963
it will be easier like if you could go to the courthouse and being like hey the government is

705
00:58:57,963 --> 00:59:03,743
filled with pedophiles now i'm paying money anymore would you do it would you go to the

706
00:59:03,743 --> 00:59:09,423
courthouse and be like i'm not paying any money i would certainly but in the same scenario when

707
00:59:09,423 --> 00:59:17,683
it's taxes book are you not going to pay taxes right now yeah okay so another idea in the libertarian

708
00:59:17,683 --> 00:59:23,343
thought tradition here is the idea of natural law that laws can be discovered in nature and

709
00:59:23,343 --> 00:59:30,463
does not require human beings at all and that being from simple hopian argumentation ethics

710
00:59:30,463 --> 00:59:37,783
that i can't argue against you if if you if you tell me that i don't own my own body you show that

711
00:59:37,783 --> 00:59:43,203
you own your own body by using it to make the argument. So you can't really argue against

712
00:59:43,203 --> 00:59:49,203
property rights. You can derive all the property rights from that thing that can be discovered in

713
00:59:49,203 --> 00:59:57,463
nature. If we want peaceful conflict resolution, then we need to argue about who owns what.

714
00:59:58,043 --> 01:00:04,283
And it's very hard to argue against homesteading, that whoever first interacted with the object or

715
01:00:04,283 --> 01:00:08,263
or legally acquired the object is the rightful owner of it.

716
01:00:08,723 --> 01:00:13,623
The only way you can take away an object from someone else is through force,

717
01:00:13,943 --> 01:00:15,923
and then you've breached that contract.

718
01:00:15,923 --> 01:00:24,223
So I'm struggling to see how these semi-private courts would respect natural law

719
01:00:24,223 --> 01:00:29,363
when there's another entity that has more guns than everyone else,

720
01:00:29,583 --> 01:00:31,943
because that's the court system we have today.

721
01:00:31,943 --> 01:00:35,243
It's totally corrupt because it's not based on natural law.

722
01:00:36,183 --> 01:00:40,183
It's based around legal law, which is man-made law.

723
01:00:40,983 --> 01:00:53,237
That someone wrote down rules in a law book And to me you wouldn even need that in a perfect society because everyone would know what natural law is

724
01:00:53,237 --> 01:00:55,897
and who's the rightful owner of this and that.

725
01:00:56,817 --> 01:01:01,817
So I'm still struggling to see how it would work in practice

726
01:01:01,817 --> 01:01:03,477
and how it would not be corrupted,

727
01:01:04,177 --> 01:01:07,117
given that there's a monopoly on violence

728
01:01:07,117 --> 01:01:17,037
And why you would focus on, yeah, and sorry for just asking these devil's advocate questions, but I love a good discussion, so I take this position.

729
01:01:17,037 --> 01:01:44,457
But why you just wouldn't focus on freedom, your own individual freedom tools and your own, why you wouldn't focus on just paying as little taxes as possible yourself in this moment instead of trying to gather the masses around a new system that would obviously be better than democracy.

730
01:01:44,457 --> 01:01:55,017
but still, how do you gather the masses to cooperate around this idea and to implement it?

731
01:01:56,217 --> 01:02:01,157
That's a very convoluted question, I know, but yes, love to hear your thoughts.

732
01:02:01,157 --> 01:02:17,937
So, okay, a little counter question first. Does natural law permit me to commit violence against somebody who is infringing on my property rights?

733
01:02:17,937 --> 01:02:39,877
Yes, absolutely. Natural law allows you to retaliate and it allows defense. And Rothbard argues for two eyes for one eye, meaning that I am allowed to retribution and what's the other word? Reparation.

734
01:02:39,877 --> 01:02:48,477
So I'm allowed to take as much back and I'm allowed to cause you as much harm as you caused me on top of that.

735
01:02:49,037 --> 01:02:51,657
But I'm not allowed to involve other people.

736
01:02:51,837 --> 01:02:55,777
So if you kill my child, for instance, I'm not allowed to kill your child.

737
01:02:57,577 --> 01:03:06,717
And I mean, all infringements on property and all breakings of natural law are tricky.

738
01:03:06,717 --> 01:03:09,297
I mean, it's always tricky to resolve crime.

739
01:03:09,297 --> 01:03:20,337
And usually, from the natural law perspective, by the way, the victim is the one who gets to decide the punishment of the criminal and no one else because it's none of their business.

740
01:03:20,337 --> 01:03:38,997
And the victim can, without risk, I mean, make sure that retribution is met and also punish to the same extent that you were hurt by the criminal.

741
01:03:39,297 --> 01:03:43,677
So if you steal $100 from me, I get my $100 back.

742
01:03:43,777 --> 01:03:50,717
And I also have a legal right or a lawful right, rather, to take an additional $100 from you.

743
01:03:51,937 --> 01:03:53,857
That's the natural law perspective.

744
01:03:54,857 --> 01:03:54,897
Yeah.

745
01:03:55,257 --> 01:04:03,477
So what is preventing us, the people, from enacting natural law against our governments?

746
01:04:04,297 --> 01:04:04,557
Nothing.

747
01:04:05,017 --> 01:04:06,217
Nothing is preventing it.

748
01:04:06,297 --> 01:04:09,197
It's just that most people are too stupid to realize this.

749
01:04:09,297 --> 01:04:16,257
like literally i mean nothing is preventing us from doing it except that they have a monopoly

750
01:04:16,257 --> 01:04:21,917
on violence and we value our lives higher than our rights because we don't want to get shot i guess

751
01:04:21,917 --> 01:04:24,677
yes so

752
01:04:24,677 --> 01:04:36,697
we okay natural law i struggle with a little bit here in it kind of in this moment uh

753
01:04:39,297 --> 01:04:44,357
natural law is violent, right?

754
01:04:44,357 --> 01:04:50,117
If you want to live in a society that works on natural law,

755
01:04:50,597 --> 01:04:56,237
you're living in a society that will be constantly subjected to violence.

756
01:04:58,257 --> 01:05:02,217
Not more than a man-made legal system.

757
01:05:02,217 --> 01:05:04,037
I'd say

758
01:05:04,037 --> 01:05:06,677
it doesn't allow for aggression

759
01:05:06,677 --> 01:05:07,897
which is

760
01:05:07,897 --> 01:05:10,897
punishments

761
01:05:10,897 --> 01:05:12,217
are harsh, sure

762
01:05:12,217 --> 01:05:14,677
or it can be harsh if the victim

763
01:05:14,677 --> 01:05:15,497
so wishes

764
01:05:15,497 --> 01:05:17,957
it allows for harsh punishment

765
01:05:17,957 --> 01:05:18,937
but that's just

766
01:05:18,937 --> 01:05:22,217
the purpose of that is to

767
01:05:22,217 --> 01:05:24,217
remove aggression

768
01:05:24,217 --> 01:05:25,637
like it's to

769
01:05:25,637 --> 01:05:27,857
make theft

770
01:05:27,857 --> 01:05:29,477
very costly for the thief

771
01:05:29,477 --> 01:05:31,517
and

772
01:05:32,217 --> 01:05:41,417
yeah okay no i i understand i understand um yes however i i will preface that that

773
01:05:41,417 --> 01:05:49,917
given our society today if we're to move to a system of natural law because there are so many

774
01:05:49,917 --> 01:05:55,177
crimes being committed that are not being taken care of by the government that initially

775
01:05:55,177 --> 01:06:03,597
things will get really violent but it will taper down as people understand that there is risk to

776
01:06:03,597 --> 01:06:07,197
if i'm going to steal from that person that person has the right to kill me

777
01:06:07,197 --> 01:06:16,257
um and it will quickly dissipate um and that right now that the system of law is protecting the

778
01:06:16,257 --> 01:06:22,097
criminals because they know that the risk is not as high or the the consequence for their action

779
01:06:22,097 --> 01:06:27,597
is not as high as the risk versus natural law, the consequence would be higher.

780
01:06:34,097 --> 01:06:45,097
But to go back to earlier about how the system would, how valuearchy would fail because the

781
01:06:45,097 --> 01:06:51,097
government owns a monopoly on violence and would therefore override the courts.

782
01:06:52,097 --> 01:07:06,957
I guess you could say that that would be true of all systems, that the government can always override the courts.

783
01:07:08,037 --> 01:07:08,277
Yes.

784
01:07:08,977 --> 01:07:09,257
Yeah.

785
01:07:10,117 --> 01:07:15,937
But I got to go back to it's about funding, right?

786
01:07:15,937 --> 01:07:21,837
If the government cannot get funding through taxation, it cannot fund itself to override the courts.

787
01:07:22,097 --> 01:07:26,657
because people will just stop paying, right?

788
01:07:26,757 --> 01:07:33,097
And then if you distribute the mechanisms for paying, right?

789
01:07:33,117 --> 01:07:35,317
If you pay directly towards the courts

790
01:07:35,317 --> 01:07:36,997
and you distribute the government

791
01:07:36,997 --> 01:07:39,157
through how the funding mechanism works,

792
01:07:39,817 --> 01:07:41,797
it will be better.

793
01:07:42,397 --> 01:07:43,877
It will not be perfect,

794
01:07:44,177 --> 01:07:45,897
but it will be better

795
01:07:45,897 --> 01:07:47,877
because the courts will serve you directly

796
01:07:47,877 --> 01:07:49,497
and you can keep paying the courts.

797
01:07:49,497 --> 01:07:56,337
And if the government overrides or tries to overtake and override the courts, you can stop paying the government.

798
01:07:56,937 --> 01:08:04,497
So in that kind of a scenario, the one that is being the good actor can still get money.

799
01:08:04,657 --> 01:08:07,137
The one that's being a bad actor will stop getting money.

800
01:08:07,897 --> 01:08:18,477
And when they don't have that money flow, their ability to project force into the world will be massively limited.

801
01:08:19,497 --> 01:08:30,617
But I will concede that it's not perfect, but I don't think perfection, idealistic perfection is really attainable when it comes to large societies.

802
01:08:30,617 --> 01:08:38,777
No, I absolutely 100% agree that it would be better, like way better.

803
01:08:38,777 --> 01:09:01,857
I just see there's a great YouTube video about idealism versus pragmatism that argued for pragmatism is always the first step of the slippery slope towards authoritarianism.

804
01:09:01,857 --> 01:09:08,937
Because as soon as you give up an ideal for a pragmatic solution to a now problem, then

805
01:09:08,937 --> 01:09:15,977
you're on that slippery slope and you will get to a point where basically where we're

806
01:09:15,977 --> 01:09:19,997
heading now, where all the politicians have way too much power and print money all the

807
01:09:19,997 --> 01:09:24,297
time and can empower themselves and steal from everyone else.

808
01:09:24,297 --> 01:09:26,237
And you can do nothing about it because they have all the

809
01:09:26,243 --> 01:09:35,763
guns. So, which is like one of the reasons why I personally try to remain an idealist.

810
01:09:35,963 --> 01:09:43,063
And I see that the best thing I can focus on is just me and my family and how I avoid

811
01:09:43,063 --> 01:09:53,183
paying taxes and being punished by inflation as much as I can. The obviously best tool for that

812
01:09:53,183 --> 01:09:59,663
is saving in Bitcoin because then I am now shielded from the money printing at least

813
01:09:59,663 --> 01:10:03,223
and that can buy me out of some other stuff.

814
01:10:04,463 --> 01:10:10,323
And then also, of course, accepting Bitcoin for my goods and services

815
01:10:10,323 --> 01:10:15,683
because that makes it easier for me to do taxation.

816
01:10:20,403 --> 01:10:21,383
What's the word?

817
01:10:23,183 --> 01:10:27,223
I can navigate taxation easier.

818
01:10:27,563 --> 01:10:29,103
Let's just say that.

819
01:10:30,103 --> 01:10:32,243
And avoid it as much as possible.

820
01:10:32,423 --> 01:10:35,903
And I think that is the ethical thing to do.

821
01:10:36,003 --> 01:10:37,303
I think more people should do it

822
01:10:37,303 --> 01:10:39,383
and try to get away from it.

823
01:10:39,963 --> 01:10:42,663
However, I love that there are people like you

824
01:10:42,663 --> 01:10:45,203
thinking about alternative systems

825
01:10:45,203 --> 01:10:51,743
and actually coming up with alternatives to democracy

826
01:10:51,743 --> 01:10:56,483
because I think democracy is like the last great taboo word.

827
01:10:57,283 --> 01:11:04,083
People think that they ought not to criticize it

828
01:11:04,083 --> 01:11:07,443
because they think that's like the Holy Grail.

829
01:11:08,643 --> 01:11:14,603
I don't know of any word that is as taboo to criticize than democracy nowadays.

830
01:11:14,603 --> 01:11:18,943
And to me, it's clearly a flawed system that doesn't work

831
01:11:18,943 --> 01:11:21,903
and it's misallocating resources

832
01:11:21,903 --> 01:11:23,843
is just a net negative to everyone.

833
01:11:24,623 --> 01:11:27,803
And people seem oblivious to this fact.

834
01:11:28,643 --> 01:11:32,323
And instead they blame capitalism and the free market,

835
01:11:32,323 --> 01:11:37,223
which is like the only thing that makes life bearable

836
01:11:37,223 --> 01:11:39,323
within democratic systems

837
01:11:39,323 --> 01:11:42,603
is that we still have a somewhat handicapped free market.

838
01:11:43,123 --> 01:11:44,243
That's civilization.

839
01:11:44,623 --> 01:11:46,083
That's people cooperating.

840
01:11:46,083 --> 01:11:51,963
so so yeah just trading like just just you know allowing people to trade freely

841
01:11:51,963 --> 01:11:58,923
is yeah or it's is is somehow the contentious one yeah yeah it's so strange because that that's

842
01:11:58,923 --> 01:12:05,963
that's what civilization is we we would a trade that doesn't happen if we don't think we both

843
01:12:05,963 --> 01:12:11,643
will benefit from it like yeah it's so yeah it's it's silly i wonder if it's just kind of like a

844
01:12:11,643 --> 01:12:15,723
a strange knee-jerk reaction of being,

845
01:12:16,063 --> 01:12:18,503
let's say just turbo fried by the propaganda

846
01:12:18,503 --> 01:12:20,603
that you cannot criticize democracy,

847
01:12:21,163 --> 01:12:23,923
which therefore must mean that capitalism's bad,

848
01:12:24,003 --> 01:12:24,443
you know, like,

849
01:12:24,783 --> 01:12:28,443
because like their brain is just flipped, right?

850
01:12:28,523 --> 01:12:30,723
It has to be like in opposites and extremes

851
01:12:30,723 --> 01:12:32,923
and it's actually, yeah, democracy's crap.

852
01:12:33,623 --> 01:12:34,683
I would much rather like,

853
01:12:35,143 --> 01:12:37,103
I know I've written a book about a new system,

854
01:12:37,643 --> 01:12:38,003
valuearchy,

855
01:12:38,003 --> 01:12:39,823
but I would much rather be living in a monarchy,

856
01:12:40,143 --> 01:12:41,583
a proper monarchy right now.

857
01:12:41,643 --> 01:12:51,703
yeah yeah there's uh have you read the democracy the god that failed by hans herman hoppe no but

858
01:12:51,703 --> 01:12:57,123
i have heard of it yeah yeah it's a great book uh it's a bit repetitive at times it's not it's

859
01:12:57,123 --> 01:13:03,443
not my favorite hoppe book but all of hoppe's books are are at least 9.5 out of 10s all of them

860
01:13:03,443 --> 01:13:10,763
so so there's it's a super good book yeah and he argues for the time preference thing about the

861
01:13:10,763 --> 01:13:18,523
monarchy like at least the king has the incentive to think generationally whereas a democratic leader

862
01:13:18,523 --> 01:13:25,363
only has the incentive to loot as much as possible the four years that he's in office it's sort of

863
01:13:25,363 --> 01:13:31,023
the metaphor is like what would you who would take better care of the house the owner of the house or

864
01:13:31,023 --> 01:13:37,983
or a temporary tenant yeah and it's so obvious when you see it that way yeah and yeah there's

865
01:13:37,983 --> 01:13:42,603
But there's sayings in politics too, like, you know, nobody lost an election by spending

866
01:13:42,603 --> 01:13:43,603
too much money.

867
01:13:43,603 --> 01:13:44,603
Right?

868
01:13:44,603 --> 01:13:47,743
Promising free shit to everybody, right?

869
01:13:47,743 --> 01:13:48,743
Yeah.

870
01:13:48,743 --> 01:13:50,243
That's such a good saying.

871
01:13:50,243 --> 01:13:53,623
No one lost an election by spending too much money.

872
01:13:53,623 --> 01:13:55,603
And it's just ridiculous.

873
01:13:55,603 --> 01:14:04,043
Versus, yeah, you compare that to monarchy, but how the next leader is chosen is by blood.

874
01:14:04,043 --> 01:14:05,043
Right?

875
01:14:05,043 --> 01:14:05,543
is a

876
01:14:05,543 --> 01:14:06,543
long-term

877
01:14:06,543 --> 01:14:07,063
play.

878
01:14:07,523 --> 01:14:07,723
You know,

879
01:14:07,843 --> 01:14:08,003
like,

880
01:14:08,203 --> 01:14:22,123
it very actually just coordinated with life Yes And since the son of the current ruler is the successor

881
01:14:22,123 --> 01:14:28,523
then there's an actual natural incentive

882
01:14:28,523 --> 01:14:34,563
to make the country a good place to live in for a long, long time.

883
01:14:34,563 --> 01:14:38,003
Yeah, I want to live in a good country for my son.

884
01:14:38,003 --> 01:14:41,663
I also want my son to be capable of running that country.

885
01:14:42,563 --> 01:14:43,303
Yeah, exactly.

886
01:14:43,883 --> 01:14:58,043
Hopefully, you know, there has been many cases where the son has not been as, let's say, good of a leader as the father in monarchy systems, which is maybe a bit of the failing of monarchies.

887
01:14:58,743 --> 01:15:03,303
Yeah, yeah, you're always at risk at getting Joffrey Baratheon from Game of Thrones.

888
01:15:03,303 --> 01:15:04,163
Yeah, certainly.

889
01:15:04,163 --> 01:15:13,363
but the problem with democracy is that you all all you get is joffrey baratheon's uh

890
01:15:13,363 --> 01:15:21,643
like you can't you can't get anything else yeah um yeah democracy i i do cover that in

891
01:15:21,643 --> 01:15:26,343
i can't remember what chapter it is but it's chapter on the funding flaw which is why it

892
01:15:26,343 --> 01:15:31,443
i think it breaks down um and it's it's nothing new like aristotle wrote about it

893
01:15:31,443 --> 01:15:39,623
thousand years ago now right um alexander titler and his the titler cycle um and i'm pretty sure

894
01:15:39,623 --> 01:15:44,723
the fourth turning i know it's very popular among the bitcoin circles i'm pretty sure that that is

895
01:15:44,723 --> 01:15:52,283
actually just a reflection of the democratic process yeah and it just burns through itself

896
01:15:52,283 --> 01:15:57,703
until it collapses and you get revolution and then yeah start it all over again and

897
01:15:57,703 --> 01:16:00,683
we're definitely getting to that stage where we're

898
01:16:00,683 --> 01:16:02,603
burning through this stuff really fast

899
01:16:02,603 --> 01:16:04,643
and the

900
01:16:04,643 --> 01:16:06,583
problem is that most people

901
01:16:06,583 --> 01:16:08,583
think the world is static and that

902
01:16:08,583 --> 01:16:10,663
it doesn't change but it does

903
01:16:10,663 --> 01:16:11,743
it changes a lot

904
01:16:11,743 --> 01:16:14,663
and all democracies

905
01:16:14,663 --> 01:16:16,783
are on the path to becoming

906
01:16:16,783 --> 01:16:18,003
totalitarian states

907
01:16:18,003 --> 01:16:20,043
and all

908
01:16:20,043 --> 01:16:22,923
fiat currencies are hyperinflating

909
01:16:22,923 --> 01:16:24,583
just at different paces

910
01:16:24,583 --> 01:16:26,543
and they will all die

911
01:16:26,543 --> 01:16:33,723
hyperinflating. So, so these are inherently unstable systems.

912
01:16:34,423 --> 01:16:38,963
They are, they are. And it would be nice to have something stable. I think the first country that

913
01:16:38,963 --> 01:16:45,563
figures out stability, actually, we can even just use in the short term stability would be El Salvador.

914
01:16:45,563 --> 01:16:52,283
And they're eating everybody's lunch, like their growth as a country has been phenomenal compared

915
01:16:52,283 --> 01:16:53,623
to every other country on the planet.

916
01:16:54,623 --> 01:16:59,083
Yes, and the thing I like about El Salvador is,

917
01:16:59,323 --> 01:17:01,403
like, I do understand why people,

918
01:17:02,703 --> 01:17:05,143
I mean, Bukele is not a libertarian.

919
01:17:05,483 --> 01:17:10,323
There are some weird laws still that are very much,

920
01:17:10,983 --> 01:17:13,803
for instance, you can go to jail for smoking a joint

921
01:17:13,803 --> 01:17:20,943
and there's no 0.0% drinking and driving limit.

922
01:17:20,943 --> 01:17:23,223
So there's harsh laws like that.

923
01:17:23,303 --> 01:17:28,843
There's a mandatory haircut for school children and stuff like that, which is not very libertarian.

924
01:17:29,123 --> 01:17:31,543
I think victimless crimes shouldn't be punished.

925
01:17:33,063 --> 01:17:40,863
And of course, there's a lot of controversy on the human rights issues because he put everyone with a face tattoo in jail, basically.

926
01:17:41,423 --> 01:17:46,063
However, it did work for everyone else pretty well.

927
01:17:46,063 --> 01:17:50,963
and the big thing I think is the Bitcoin move

928
01:17:50,963 --> 01:17:54,643
because since he's not stopping people from using Bitcoin

929
01:17:54,643 --> 01:17:56,543
but rather encouraging it

930
01:17:56,543 --> 01:18:00,123
he's making sure that his successors

931
01:18:00,123 --> 01:18:04,083
will not be able to extract as much as he was

932
01:18:04,083 --> 01:18:08,583
and that's a very noble thing for a leader to do

933
01:18:08,583 --> 01:18:13,103
it's a good thing that maybe noble is the wrong word

934
01:18:13,103 --> 01:18:15,663
but it's a very good thing that a leader does that

935
01:18:15,663 --> 01:18:21,743
just makes sure that the succeeding politicians have less power.

936
01:18:22,083 --> 01:18:23,363
I really like that.

937
01:18:23,943 --> 01:18:24,063
Yeah.

938
01:18:24,763 --> 01:18:27,703
Yeah, it'd be interesting to visit one day.

939
01:18:27,943 --> 01:18:28,563
I haven't made it there.

940
01:18:28,603 --> 01:18:29,083
Oh, you haven't been?

941
01:18:29,423 --> 01:18:29,743
Yeah, yeah.

942
01:18:30,263 --> 01:18:33,463
But watching from afar, it's like, oh, I want that for myself.

943
01:18:35,183 --> 01:18:38,903
I'm going back in November for the third time now,

944
01:18:38,903 --> 01:18:42,063
and I enjoy my time a lot there.

945
01:18:42,303 --> 01:18:43,863
And I've been there two times,

946
01:18:44,003 --> 01:18:46,163
And between the two times, it was like eight months.

947
01:18:46,363 --> 01:18:50,563
And so much had happened just during those eight months.

948
01:18:51,843 --> 01:18:57,123
And coming from Europe, where you're treated like a criminal because you're into Bitcoin

949
01:18:57,123 --> 01:19:13,643
and coming to El Salvador and you a hero instead it makes all the difference It Yeah Um El Salvador might be an interesting case that calls into question the let say libertarian

950
01:19:13,643 --> 01:19:21,603
and, and non-aggression principle that like, it kind of does show that you do need somebody

951
01:19:21,603 --> 01:19:23,123
with a really big stick need.

952
01:19:23,123 --> 01:19:34,263
You do need a monopoly and violence because there are people that are really evil in this world and you genuinely just need to remove them.

953
01:19:35,543 --> 01:19:42,683
Yeah, it would be preferable if they just stopped shooting people voluntarily.

954
01:19:44,063 --> 01:19:48,503
But as long as they don't do that, a big stick is like the only option, unfortunately.

955
01:19:49,263 --> 01:19:49,943
It is, yeah.

956
01:19:49,943 --> 01:19:56,703
Um, but I, yeah, I think what we, well, Canada here did a very interesting thing.

957
01:19:56,703 --> 01:20:05,343
So we did the opposite way of El Salvador in 2018, 2016, 2017, somewhere in there.

958
01:20:05,383 --> 01:20:12,003
Anyways, we, we passed a bunch of soft on crime laws, basically like, oh, we don't

959
01:20:12,003 --> 01:20:18,223
understand the person's circumstance and that we should love them equally after they,

960
01:20:18,243 --> 01:20:19,643
you know, stole your stuff.

961
01:20:19,943 --> 01:20:22,883
And crime just keeps getting worse and worse.

962
01:20:22,883 --> 01:20:32,563
And there is the bottom, say, 1% of the population that, honestly, they just need to not exist.

963
01:20:33,443 --> 01:20:35,403
That has been, right?

964
01:20:35,483 --> 01:20:43,443
Like, there are stories out of Vancouver where the police are arresting somebody.

965
01:20:43,723 --> 01:20:45,323
They've got them in the squad car.

966
01:20:45,323 --> 01:20:51,743
and the thief or the perpetrator is in the back of the squad car laughing at the police,

967
01:20:51,863 --> 01:20:58,083
saying that by the time they finish filling out the paperwork to put him in the courtrooms,

968
01:20:58,683 --> 01:21:00,283
he will already be back out on the street.

969
01:21:01,283 --> 01:21:03,963
And they've arrested some people multiple times per day.

970
01:21:05,523 --> 01:21:05,663
Right?

971
01:21:05,983 --> 01:21:07,443
So that is a failure, right?

972
01:21:07,523 --> 01:21:11,683
That's a failure of the courts and the government from a policy perspective,

973
01:21:11,683 --> 01:21:17,843
even though the enforcement, the violent part, which is typically the police,

974
01:21:18,603 --> 01:21:21,723
is actually doing their job and doing it well.

975
01:21:21,903 --> 01:21:26,103
They're responding to the crime, arresting the person that did the crime,

976
01:21:26,423 --> 01:21:29,723
and then trying to put them in the system, and the system's spitting them back out.

977
01:21:30,463 --> 01:21:33,063
And it's devolving really fast.

978
01:21:33,223 --> 01:21:36,863
Our crime is really bad here, and there's many parts of our cities

979
01:21:36,863 --> 01:21:39,003
that you just don't go to anymore.

980
01:21:39,003 --> 01:21:44,903
it's becoming third world and you compare that with bukele who's just like hey all the gang

981
01:21:44,903 --> 01:21:53,643
members have face tattoos let's arrest them all i would much rather you know live in that system

982
01:21:53,643 --> 01:22:03,403
even though it is let's say against the principles of of like non-aggression or libertarianism no

983
01:22:03,403 --> 01:22:07,583
it's not it's not against the principle of non-aggression at all because it's not

984
01:22:07,583 --> 01:22:17,263
aggression, it's retaliation. It is punishment. Libertarian society doesn't mean a society

985
01:22:17,263 --> 01:22:29,543
without punishment. It simply doesn't. And I think from a sound libertarian perspective

986
01:22:29,543 --> 01:22:37,523
or ANCAP perspective, El Salvador today would be a more libertarian society than Canada.

987
01:22:37,583 --> 01:22:41,003
it respects property rights more because it takes away,

988
01:22:41,283 --> 01:22:44,383
it imprisons the people who violate them.

989
01:22:45,003 --> 01:22:45,383
So,

990
01:22:45,623 --> 01:22:46,183
so,

991
01:22:46,323 --> 01:22:46,603
uh,

992
01:22:46,603 --> 01:22:47,403
in that sense,

993
01:22:47,443 --> 01:22:47,723
it's,

994
01:22:47,823 --> 01:22:48,063
uh,

995
01:22:48,383 --> 01:22:48,923
more so.

996
01:22:49,063 --> 01:22:49,643
Then again,

997
01:22:50,323 --> 01:22:50,683
uh,

998
01:22:50,943 --> 01:22:51,203
the,

999
01:22:51,443 --> 01:22:54,503
from a personal perspective,

1000
01:22:54,503 --> 01:22:54,783
if,

1001
01:22:54,783 --> 01:22:55,243
if,

1002
01:22:55,243 --> 01:22:58,443
if Bukele wants to throw you in jail,

1003
01:22:58,443 --> 01:22:58,903
he will.

1004
01:22:58,903 --> 01:22:59,663
Like if,

1005
01:22:59,763 --> 01:23:01,823
if you happen to have a face tattoo or something,

1006
01:23:02,323 --> 01:23:04,083
I mean,

1007
01:23:04,263 --> 01:23:04,903
uh,

1008
01:23:04,903 --> 01:23:12,983
So the pros and cons, I guess, but as long as people can fly around the globe and have

1009
01:23:12,983 --> 01:23:18,443
the option to shop around for where they want to live, at least the governments have a bit

1010
01:23:18,443 --> 01:23:24,783
of competition and they can compete in goods and not only bads, which is the case for most

1011
01:23:24,783 --> 01:23:26,903
governments now.

1012
01:23:27,823 --> 01:23:30,063
But what would you say though?

1013
01:23:30,863 --> 01:23:32,663
There's only so far that you can run.

1014
01:23:34,183 --> 01:23:34,403
Yeah.

1015
01:23:34,683 --> 01:23:38,003
I mean, yeah, you have to stand and fight somewhere.

1016
01:23:39,343 --> 01:23:39,483
Yeah.

1017
01:23:39,683 --> 01:23:40,603
Jen and I moved.

1018
01:23:40,703 --> 01:23:46,663
So my wife and I, yeah, we moved to England because we thought we would flee the bullshit

1019
01:23:46,663 --> 01:23:57,923
that was Canada at the time And not that we landed in a free country England But we over the last especially the

1020
01:23:57,923 --> 01:24:05,643
last five years, the devolve of all of the Western nations with all of the same problems,

1021
01:24:05,643 --> 01:24:14,603
all at the same time, is kind of highlighted that you, as an individual, I find I actually

1022
01:24:14,603 --> 01:24:20,343
want a spot, one spot where I can literally build the community and the defense here,

1023
01:24:20,943 --> 01:24:25,963
and I will just defend myself here, is more effective than fleeing and going somewhere else.

1024
01:24:26,083 --> 01:24:32,723
Because I found that there were connections and there were things that take time to grow every

1025
01:24:32,723 --> 01:24:38,843
time you move. And to find, to like learn how that system works, to find people that kind of

1026
01:24:38,843 --> 01:24:46,863
support you you know at least know you and like that sort of stuff versus being in one spot and

1027
01:24:46,863 --> 01:24:56,463
having a consistent group of people that you know like those people kind of become like you you are

1028
01:24:56,463 --> 01:25:05,263
able to kind of get them to come with you to do stuff easier than yes right so i find that to be

1029
01:25:05,263 --> 01:25:15,263
more personally secure and a safe way to do it or like long-term more that's a yeah long-term more

1030
01:25:15,263 --> 01:25:22,263
uh robust of a method of defending myself and like minimizing taxes and all these sort of stuff

1031
01:25:22,263 --> 01:25:30,223
than the the fleeing to another like a safer jurisdiction that said there is a point where

1032
01:25:30,223 --> 01:25:33,463
Fling to another jurisdiction is the only option.

1033
01:25:34,763 --> 01:25:36,003
Yeah, exactly.

1034
01:25:36,223 --> 01:25:37,643
And I would agree to that.

1035
01:25:37,643 --> 01:25:46,383
And as long as you can resist the government to the extent where it's, there's a threshold somewhere.

1036
01:25:46,563 --> 01:25:47,523
Let's just say that.

1037
01:25:47,743 --> 01:25:51,803
Yeah, that would be to each jurisdiction, each person, and that sort of stuff.

1038
01:25:52,163 --> 01:25:56,163
Yeah, and everyone's, but that's what the governments use to their advantage.

1039
01:25:56,443 --> 01:25:59,803
They know that people are pretty stationary because of this.

1040
01:26:00,223 --> 01:26:05,603
And that can be abused over time

1041
01:26:05,603 --> 01:26:07,903
by sneakily increasing taxes

1042
01:26:07,903 --> 01:26:09,263
and sneakily printing money.

1043
01:26:09,263 --> 01:26:12,303
And that happens in most places.

1044
01:26:13,383 --> 01:26:17,303
So focusing on the tools to set you free

1045
01:26:17,303 --> 01:26:19,983
where you are is a very good thing.

1046
01:26:20,683 --> 01:26:23,783
Yeah, which is what we're trying to build here.

1047
01:26:25,203 --> 01:26:25,923
So, yeah.

1048
01:26:26,623 --> 01:26:29,183
And yeah, valuearchy is going to be a long-term play.

1049
01:26:30,223 --> 01:26:33,083
I will be dead probably by the time it's tried for the first time.

1050
01:26:34,343 --> 01:26:37,043
Yeah, but maybe you'll have some offspring that will,

1051
01:26:37,643 --> 01:26:43,043
and children and grandchildren that can see it in action.

1052
01:26:43,523 --> 01:26:44,963
Where can people find the book?

1053
01:26:46,123 --> 01:26:50,403
Yeah, so it's available for free from valuearchy.com.

1054
01:26:51,603 --> 01:26:54,763
Yeah, you can get it in PDF or EPUB.

1055
01:26:55,243 --> 01:26:59,723
It's also available on Amazon if you wanted to buy it through there.

1056
01:27:00,223 --> 01:27:08,383
just search valuearchy. It is the only it is a new word on the internet. So the search results

1057
01:27:08,383 --> 01:27:15,583
are very favorable in my for looking for it. And you can find me on Twitter at valuearchy.

1058
01:27:16,623 --> 01:27:26,383
As well, at tiptoe BTC. Excellent. So go and check that out. I will see if I can talk to Ben

1059
01:27:26,383 --> 01:27:29,343
B2C sessions

1060
01:27:29,343 --> 01:27:31,663
we're good friends

1061
01:27:31,663 --> 01:27:34,023
so I'll recommend you to him

1062
01:27:34,023 --> 01:27:35,883
that you talk to him

1063
01:27:35,883 --> 01:27:37,823
or Nathan or someone else

1064
01:27:37,823 --> 01:27:38,423
in that camp

1065
01:27:38,423 --> 01:27:39,463
certainly

1066
01:27:39,463 --> 01:27:43,903
and thank you very much

1067
01:27:43,903 --> 01:27:44,583
for the conversation

1068
01:27:44,583 --> 01:27:46,463
this was enlightening

1069
01:27:46,463 --> 01:27:48,443
and a fun debate I think

1070
01:27:48,443 --> 01:27:50,843
thanks for your tough questions

1071
01:27:50,843 --> 01:27:54,263
I hope I didn't

1072
01:27:54,263 --> 01:27:55,523
steamroll you too much

1073
01:27:55,523 --> 01:27:56,703
with the rot-tard.

1074
01:27:56,703 --> 01:27:57,283
No, no, no.

1075
01:27:57,703 --> 01:27:59,363
By going full rot-tard.

1076
01:28:00,403 --> 01:28:01,223
No, it's good.

1077
01:28:01,483 --> 01:28:01,883
It's good.

1078
01:28:02,643 --> 01:28:04,463
That's why I reached out to you

1079
01:28:04,463 --> 01:28:05,243
because I knew you would

1080
01:28:05,243 --> 01:28:08,603
put me to the hot iron a little bit.

1081
01:28:09,443 --> 01:28:09,823
Excellent.

1082
01:28:11,043 --> 01:28:11,723
All right.

1083
01:28:12,583 --> 01:28:13,403
Take care, man.

1084
01:28:13,623 --> 01:28:15,983
And I hope to see you in real life sometime.

1085
01:28:16,723 --> 01:28:17,223
Yeah, likewise.

1086
01:28:17,583 --> 01:28:17,883
It'll be good.

1087
01:28:18,923 --> 01:28:20,783
This has been the Bitcoin Infinity Show.

1088
01:28:20,783 --> 01:28:21,823
Brush your teeth.

1089
01:28:22,203 --> 01:28:22,443
Goodbye.

1090
01:28:23,703 --> 01:28:24,783
Thanks for listening.

1091
01:28:25,523 --> 01:28:55,503
Thank you.