The Orange Glowing Light with Izzy - #53

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every show, every show he, every show he breaks the mic

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cause he's so fucking physical.

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He's like, he breaks it here, he breaks it here.

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They buy, they go through like 10 mics a fucking month.

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That's why it's called

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Mike Tyson, I guess.

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Um, I just want to dedicate this to my great grandfather.

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Rest in peace.

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That's what you're going to get from this conversation.

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Airplane mode on.

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What?

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Oh,

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welcome.

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I think we're recording, are we?

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It's the best way to start, right?

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When you just, kind of, what happens?

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Fuck it, we'll do it live!

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Welcome to the Freedom Footprint show, Izzy!

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Yes!

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Nice to

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finally have you on, brother.

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I wish I could hug you, there's all this apparatus between

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us.

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Yes, yes, we'll do it later.

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As you know, I'm

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a hugger.

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How are you enjoying the conference so far?

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It's terrible.

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It's terrible,

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right?

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No, no.

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To me, this is the, um, Honey Badger for me is the epitome of

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what a Bitcoin conference is about.

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High signal to noise ratio.

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Absolutely.

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And everyone is accessible, you know, it doesn't matter who it is.

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I remember when I was here last year, it was because of you, you were

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like, Hey, I want to show Adam, uh, back the presentation that I have.

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And do you remember that?

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You were quiet.

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You were like a 12 year old school girl.

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Yeah.

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You were like, Oh,

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I just,

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but he was so cool.

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He just turned around and went, Hey

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Knut.

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Yeah, yeah.

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He approached me

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and asked me about like, he heard that I did the calculation on like, um,

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the, the, the kilo price of Bitcoin.

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Right.

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And he had done the calculation himself with using a different method.

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And we had come to the.

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About the same results.

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So I really enjoyed that.

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And he was just so accessible.

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You know, we sit down, uh, me, you, him, and Anita talked for about 45 minutes.

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He was talking about a, um, a whistleblower book that he had read.

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Oh, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's fascinating.

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I don't remember the title.

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Yeah, but I love that aspect of a conference like this, where some of

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the conferences, you know, it's kind of everything is segregated, not to

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shit on any conferences, but, um, this is a really special one for me.

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I love Max Hillebrand.

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A

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lot.

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They're great.

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I mean, this year I really feel this, you know, Bitcoiners incentivized

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to help one another vibe going on.

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Like as you say, everyone's so accessible and it's like we're, we're.

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Living out this in, in real time.

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The, uh, the, uh, incentive structure of Bitcoin.

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How we're not incentivized to compete with one another, but com

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incentivized to, to collaborate.

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Yes.

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And that like, uh, I, I think that's tightly connected to the shitcoin purge.

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There's, there's no shit.

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There are no shit corners left here, zero.

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Zero.

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So, so, uh, and then you get, you get this beautiful Bitcoin world

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instead and, uh, there's no like, market competition becomes a different

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thing and a more beautiful thing.

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I mean, there's some good free market competition as well as the

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coffee, the coffee shops outside.

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There's a long ass queue to the nice coffee and there's like no queue to

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the, to the slightly cheaper coffee.

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And you can see how, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So, so it's not only the price of the actual coffee, but it's also the

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price of standing in a line for 15 minutes, as opposed to, you know,

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And next to your heroes, if you will, because they're

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waiting in line behind you.

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Yeah.

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But to your point, Knut, so, you know, I, I took over a business at the

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beginning of this year, and for me, I mean, I, I was a surgeon and then I

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went into film and stayed in the Bitcoin closet for a really, really long time.

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And then running a business, it was kind of like, I had a lot of

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friends who are in business going, Oh, you have to be ruthless.

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You have to be, be this.

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I'm like, none of that fucking makes any sense to me.

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Like it's not about that.

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So.

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I've hooked up with other Bitcoin only companies, and

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it's about the collaboration.

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We may compete in market, but it only makes each of us better.

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Yeah.

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And then we find all these backdoor collaborations.

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Yeah, and all these synergies.

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Not like that.

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Hang

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on.

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How sexual

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can we get on this show?

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Now it's the coming out of the closet thing and, uh, sausage fest and so on.

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You know, on the way

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here, I was in the, I was in the car with Roger9000.

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Roger9000.

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Yeah.

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And, um, he's a very sensitive, beautiful human being.

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And we were talking about life and how, you know, when you're younger, especially

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if you, if you're a Bitcoiner, you've always been a little bit left of center.

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You kind of, you know, you feel like, wow, I don't know if I fit in this.

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I mean, I hope I'm not, I mean.

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I think I know I'm speaking from my own experience.

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And sometimes you can put on that, that mask to try to fit, which rips your

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fucking soul out because it's not real.

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And you know that as a human and by opening up in this space to Bitcoiners.

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You just feel so much freedom and so much love.

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And I said to Roger in the car, it's like, there was a point that

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I felt like, I mean, I felt I prepared for this my whole life.

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Um, but there was a point when I was in, in my forties, I was kind of like,

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Did I just make all that shit up?

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Like, did I really prepare for anything?

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Like, is this just me?

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Like, what, what, what is, what's going on in life?

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Yeah.

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But the moment that I came out of that Bitcoin closet and put myself

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out there, every step made sense.

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It felt like every single step led me to right here, right

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now, even the quote, missteps.

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It reminds me of a David Bowie quote, which I'm going to slaughter it,

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but it's something like, The process of aging is the process of becoming

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who you were always meant to be.

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And I guess that's true for a life properly lived, which is in my

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view, what Bitcoin does to people.

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So you see all these characters and like the first couple of years you see

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them, they're, Sort of lost and trying to find their place in all of this,

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but slowly, but surely they're becoming who they were always meant to be.

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Yes.

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Um, and yeah, I, I, I learned a lot from Daniel Prince and watching him just

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become this, um, become this walking dating app that he is now, you know, Is

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he a walking dating app?

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Yeah, he's

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a walking dating app, you know, it's connecting people and just.

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He's able to talk to absolutely anyone in the world without feeling uncomfortable.

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And I think there's a lot to that networking thing and just, and

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that's who he's supposed to be.

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Like it's, it's, when you meet him in these environments, it's like

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bleeding obvious that that's who he is.

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And I, and I love that.

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That's, you know, finding your path type of mindset.

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It's sort of playing the part and finding yourself are two

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sides of the same coin here.

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You know what I mean?

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I do.

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Yeah.

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You know what it reminds me of?

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Uh, Joseph Campbell, looking at the, the hero's journey, studying all those

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cultures and going, it's not going to, I mean, I'm paraphrasing, but it's not going

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to make sense until you follow your bliss.

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Yeah.

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And when you follow your bliss, everything slots into place.

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Yeah.

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Uh, what's his name?

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Mike, uh, Tyson.

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No.

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Uh,

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uh, everyone's got a plan.

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Rob Reed loves, uh, Sidekick, uh, Mike.

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Um, I don't remember his last name, but his, they made a whole

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series about the hero's journey.

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So, so the way I see that every, every person Who, uh, quits their fiat life and

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becomes a full time something in Bitcoin.

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Yes.

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They have this hero's journey.

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It is the hero's journey.

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It is 100 percent the hero's journey.

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They're stuck in this, uh, mindset of like, this is the way

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things are and I'm doing this rat race, uh, hamster's wheel thing.

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And that's fine because I get some spare time and I can have a vacation

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every two years and buy shit for my kids every Christmas and all this.

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And then something in Bitcoin comes and pokes them on the shoulder and

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like, uh, uh, that's the equivalent of Obi Wan Kenobi just, uh, or Morpheus.

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Follow the white rabbit.

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Yeah.

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There's, there's something here.

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Uh, and then there's some crisis, uh, usually, or.

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A

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separation?

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Yeah.

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Or, or

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like they, they experienced inflation firsthand or like some political

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decision they disagree with.

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And, uh, they get this, holy shit, there might be something

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to this Bitcoin thing moment.

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And then they choose to hop off the cliff and see if their wings can actually fly.

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Where was that with you?

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What was that moment where you were like...

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Holy shit.

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I'm going to jump.

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Well, like, I mean, I liked my fiat job, um, to, to a certain extent.

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I did.

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I didn't like the fact that it was stealing too much of my time.

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And I didn't like the fact that it, I was giving so much of it

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away to a third party, you know, through taxes and inflation when

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you, when you see that thing.

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And then I had my Bitcoin scribblings that were sort of.

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Taking off and living a life of their own, um, in parallel with that,

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and of course that, that took more and more time and energy from me.

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Um, and I wanted to give it time and energy, of course.

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So, uh, at, at one point I realized I, uh, I need to make a decision

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here and I, I told my wife, uh, that, um, I'm going to, to, um, you know.

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Ask for a race and quite a ridiculously big race.

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And if I don't get that, we, we, we, we fuck off, we do this thing

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instead and we see where it leads.

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And of course that's what happened because my employer realized that, yeah, he's

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probably not gonna stay very long anyway.

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. Yeah.

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Wow.

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So, so, uh, so that was me jumping off the cliff, I guess, and, and just seeing

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where this could take me And the last two years have been surreal, to say the least.

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I mean, Yeah.

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Um, and then I found Luke last year

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and we've been doing this thing for a year now.

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And this is like, I mean, I love doing this, talking to interesting people.

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Like what else, what else are you going to do?

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Are there interesting people here?

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Well,

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maybe not now, but...

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Where are they?

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Are they coming?

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Are they going to show

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up?

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Luke is mildly interesting.

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I mean...

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I agree with that.

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I

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agree.

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Does Luke speak during the podcast?

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Oh, he

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does.

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I'm allowed to.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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To circle back to what you were saying, it's interesting, right?

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Having, I had experience in that, in that fiat realm.

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And so I still have friends from that realm.

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And it's like, well, what do you do now?

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I focus on the orange glowing light.

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Yeah.

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What

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No

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but How do you you pay your mortgage?

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I'm like,

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what what are you talking about?

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I focus on the orange glowing light.

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That's it Yeah.

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Nothing else matters.

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I mean, think, think about it as well, guys, we, I don't know if our fathers and

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grandparents felt what we feel, you know, I like to think that they did, but looking

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at history in the time that they lived, I don't know, because we are at the tip

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of the spear in a human revolution, the first ever opt out nonviolent revolution.

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Yeah.

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It's like, hold my fucking beer.

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Yeah.

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Cause you can't, you can't do anything.

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And, and we are focused on this and it is literally changing the world.

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The proof is in the plebs.

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Yeah.

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And it's changing us from within one at a time.

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Right.

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Bitcoin is a mirror.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's my first presentation.

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Yeah.

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Beautiful.

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I remember I went up and I wrote it on the chalkboard.

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Bitcoin is a mirror.

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And there are a few technical guys in the audience.

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They're like, Oh, yeah,

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here we go.

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Fiat is a black mirror.

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Oh, two way mirror.

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Black.

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And, uh, yeah, Fractal Encrypt does Bitcoin mirror art.

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Yes.

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So, yeah.

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I

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remember when he came into the space and, um, I thought, I actually felt something

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really significant about Fractal.

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I thought the artwork that he's doing will be as important as Bitcoin, because

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being an artist myself, it's like you, art touches people in a way, you know,

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if you go to a city devoid of art.

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You see people devout of soul, but when you go to a city that has open spaces

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and art, people tend to want to commune and want to feel that inspiration,

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because it's around them everywhere.

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And Fractal does that

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in our space.

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That's what I find so fascinating about Riga.

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It has these, um, old communist era monuments every here and there, but

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there are these, you know, new hipster y places popping up every here and

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there with, you know, graffiti art and, uh, um, yeah, cool places that

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they're transforming, terraforming Mars.

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Like they're, they're, uh,

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I mean, we've got a space monkey.

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Yeah.

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Space monkey right there.

323
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It should be a space cat, but yeah, I agree.

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I agree with that.

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So is it, what is a Jugaad?

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Can

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you

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explain?

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Is this the interview?

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Is this where we start interviewing?

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Do I need

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to?

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Yeah,

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you probably should.

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Are you being serious?

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What is a Jugaad?

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Yeah.

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Explain the term.

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If

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I'm going to explain, I must talk in Hindi a little bit like I'm, uh,

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because Jugaad is a Sanskrit word.

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Coming from

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India.

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Yes.

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I can also do the dialect, but I think we might offend people if we keep on.

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I will not offend anyone from India.

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They are my brothers.

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No, I

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love this dialect.

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It's one of

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the most beautiful dialects.

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Did you see the Bollywood version of, uh, Star Wars, A New Hope?

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No.

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It's so great.

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Was

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it a rip off?

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Like they made their own version?

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Yeah.

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Well, it's.

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I think

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it's just dubbed to this Bollywood English.

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So it's like Admiral Oswell came out of lightspeed too close to

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the system.

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He is clumsy as a stupidoar.

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General Mayer, prepare your men for a surface attack.

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I love it.

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You got us, um, I mean, gosh, where do, where do I start with that?

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For me, there was that question, is Bitcoin an invention or a discovery?

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And I've been going to India since 1999.

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I love it.

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I did, uh, the white man's pilgrimage there, the enlightenment pilgrimage, you

372
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know, actually funny side story to that.

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I, um, at one point I was living in Melbourne on the beach, um, not

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on the beach, but near the beach.

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And, um, I had this moment of like, what?

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What is life?

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What am I doing?

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I've left medicine.

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I'm playing around in film.

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What's the next step?

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What do I want to do?

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So I took a walk, and I went into a bookstore, and I was drawn to go into this

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bookstore, and I bumped into one of those rotisserie book racks, and this book fell

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off, and it said, The Most Dangerous Man Since Jesus Christ, and I'm like, Who's

385
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this?

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It wasn't the Kama Sutra?

387
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Jesus was a tantrum man.

388
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Um, yeah.

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And, and that sent me to India because it was about this

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guy, Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh.

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And I found him utterly fascinating.

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Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh?

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Yeah.

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Bless you.

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I bought a ticket.

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I left the bookstore, went out, bought a ticket and went to India.

397
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What was meant to be three weeks and stayed a year and a half.

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Oh, really?

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And during that time, I heard the word Jugaad all the time,

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and I understood what it meant.

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And then in Bitcoin, I think it was around 2012, maybe 2013, people

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started really debating, is Bitcoin an invention or a discovery?

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And I knew back then, this is how I feel about it, that it is the ultimate Jugaad.

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So to your question, what is a Jugaad?

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You could say it's a life hack.

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It's a loose, like every nine year old in India knows what a Jugaad is because they

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have to, they have to find ways and means to accomplish what it is they're trying to

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accomplish with shit that they don't have.

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You know what I mean?

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So like say they have to reach some electrical wire up on, on the top,

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but they have a, on the top of the building, but they don't have a ladder.

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Well, they've got a motorcycle and a box and their cousin can hoist them up here.

413
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And then they've got an old coat hanger to try to reach it.

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None of those things were designed for what they're going to use them for.

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But the combination of that and a little bit of ingenuity allows them to

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complete what it is they're trying to do.

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And with Bitcoin, for me.

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Satoshi's Bitcoin is humanity's Jugaad, like he combined these

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technological innovations that were already in existence and then added

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something, the difficulty adjustment of his own, that created this ultimate

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Jugaad, this life hack for all of us.

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And, you know, I've said this to you before, I deeply feel that,

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um, I mean, whether you look at it from a philosophical perspective

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or spiritual, which I'm waiting for the backlash, um, That intent of

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Satoshi is imbued in the code itself.

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So it's a dugout for us as humanity to usurp this tyrannical system that has

427
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kept us in debt slavery forever, Laura.

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And then.

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In that as well, there's like the intent of the creator, not, not to

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get too juju, but if you look at it, right, like, I don't want to hog

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the conversation, but if you look at it, Satoshi said in 2008, I've been

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working on this for a couple of years.

433
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Yeah.

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Yeah.

435
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It would have been a lot longer than that.

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There was never a digital footprint.

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So he knew what he was doing.

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And if you know what you're doing in that sense, like you're going to put something

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out that anyone else who has put that out has either been killed or put into jail.

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So I'm going to cover my tracks, and this may or may not work.

441
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If you have that going in, when did you actually get that seed planted in you?

442
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Were you 12?

443
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Were you 11?

444
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Did you show up with that?

445
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Like, what is it?

446
00:19:26,448 --> 00:19:29,708
Yeah, it's like when people ask me when I started writing a book.

447
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Like, when did you start writing the book?

448
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Yeah.

449
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Fuck do I know?

450
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Like, I know it's not when I pressed the first letter in the first word.

451
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I know it's way before that.

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And it's like.

453
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You spend your entire life thinking about stuff and then eventually something

454
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may or may not come out the other end, like, and as far as spirituality

455
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goes to, uh, because I'm not going

456
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to, no, but, but, but the way I see it, like, I don't need

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an old man in the sky, you

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see.

459
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It's not as simple as that, I can admit that, and, uh, the way

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I see it, there's, uh...

461
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Please take note, everyone, compared to softening.

462
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I wouldn't call it that either.

463
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Okay.

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Uh, I'd say that...

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Yeah, you're still hard

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as a rock.

467
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Oh, and we're back to the sexual nature of Tantra.

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Tip of the spear and all a

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bunch of

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homos.

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Nobody else will get that reference because

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they weren't only Australians get that in

473
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reference.

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So, um, consciousness is like, it's very hard to define and it's very unclear what

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it is and where it comes from and how, how it, uh, how it happens and what types

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of beings have it and like what it is.

477
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And uh, it's unclear to which extent.

478
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our minds create reality and to which extent it interprets reality.

479
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Uh, and I suspect that we create it to a larger degree than we admit to ourselves.

480
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So that's about as far as I will go on the spirituality front.

481
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So, but what I'm saying with that is like, if you, if you find a Calling

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or like a clear path in your life and you start focusing on doing stuff

483
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to accomplish something later down the line, low time preference stuff,

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then good things may happen to you.

485
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I'm like, I'm firmly believe that if you do fuck all, if you don't do anything

486
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and you never tried, you know, getting out of your comfort zone or whatnot.

487
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Then nothing will happen.

488
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I agree.

489
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If you do, most likely, nothing will happen.

490
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But it might happen.

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So if you just get out of your comfort zone enough and try different things,

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sooner or later, you know, uh, fortune may come to you or like, fortune is a

493
00:22:02,298 --> 00:22:07,388
bad word, but stuff might start happening and you might start to connect with all

494
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these beautiful people and find a, uh, A path that feels worth taking, uh, find

495
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a hill to die on, which is also a valley to live in, if it's the correct hill.

496
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There's freedom in that, Freedom Footprint.

497
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There's freedom in those footprints, because...

498
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Like I, I really deeply resonate with what you just said in my own life and

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to circle back to Joseph Campbell and his work, there's always that journey

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of the hero, no matter whether you're male, female, what culture you've

501
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ever existed in, to follow your bliss.

502
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And some people say that.

503
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I mean, you, you've heard this off that it puts you in a flow state.

504
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Yeah.

505
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Yeah.

506
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I think this is all just vernacular and terminology, but I look at science

507
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as there's two types of science.

508
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There's experimental science and experiential science.

509
00:23:00,248 --> 00:23:03,928
And looking at the, I saw your eyes roll, looking at the.

510
00:23:04,878 --> 00:23:04,918
I would

511
00:23:04,918 --> 00:23:06,038
categorize it differently.

512
00:23:06,498 --> 00:23:13,848
Well, bear with me and let's put this on the ancient rishis and even,

513
00:23:13,858 --> 00:23:18,648
even Gautama Buddha, uh, sat under a tree with his eyes closed and said,

514
00:23:18,648 --> 00:23:20,188
there's no such thing as matter.

515
00:23:21,108 --> 00:23:27,028
Everything is what he called kalappas, um, rising and passing away non stop, millions

516
00:23:27,028 --> 00:23:28,798
and millions and millions and millions.

517
00:23:29,278 --> 00:23:32,568
And he understood that sitting under a tree with his eyes closed.

518
00:23:32,888 --> 00:23:35,248
And modern physics would say the same thing.

519
00:23:36,158 --> 00:23:36,888
Yeah, basically.

520
00:23:37,168 --> 00:23:39,418
So, I look at, like, I can't...

521
00:23:39,923 --> 00:23:42,903
Verify my experiential science with you.

522
00:23:43,223 --> 00:23:49,253
And this is what I think the wise ones of the past said, like the enlightened ones,

523
00:23:49,283 --> 00:23:53,233
if you will, the self realized people who understood what Gautama understood,

524
00:23:53,823 --> 00:23:57,633
they can say, you are it, thou art that.

525
00:23:58,008 --> 00:23:59,318
That's what the Sufis said, right?

526
00:23:59,338 --> 00:24:00,198
Thou art that.

527
00:24:01,118 --> 00:24:02,628
But so many people get lost.

528
00:24:02,668 --> 00:24:05,918
And I know you agree with this of going, Oh my God, Knut

529
00:24:06,508 --> 00:24:07,878
taught me that I'm not that.

530
00:24:07,898 --> 00:24:09,768
Knut is the, is the one.

531
00:24:09,778 --> 00:24:12,528
Whereas Knut, the Enlightened One would be like, go fuck yourself.

532
00:24:12,688 --> 00:24:14,878
I'm not the one, you're the one.

533
00:24:15,298 --> 00:24:19,928
Don't get, uh, what Bruce Lee say, don't get lost on the finger or

534
00:24:19,928 --> 00:24:22,178
you miss all the heavenly glory.

535
00:24:22,228 --> 00:24:22,618
Yes.

536
00:24:22,618 --> 00:24:22,818
And

537
00:24:22,818 --> 00:24:24,688
the tip of the spear.

538
00:24:24,688 --> 00:24:24,738
And the

539
00:24:24,738 --> 00:24:25,108
tip of the spear.

540
00:24:25,338 --> 00:24:32,008
So I think we do create our own reality in the sense that life is a mystery

541
00:24:32,008 --> 00:24:37,678
to be lived, and it's my mystery, and I can't verify that with you, I can

542
00:24:37,678 --> 00:24:42,408
only show you who I am, and you feel it when we hug one another, you're

543
00:24:42,408 --> 00:24:43,928
like, holy shit, this guy's weird.

544
00:24:46,538 --> 00:24:47,718
Yeah, that about sums it up.

545
00:24:47,858 --> 00:24:50,318
Thumbs up what I feel when I hug you, I mean that in the

546
00:24:50,468 --> 00:24:52,528
most positive sense possible.

547
00:24:54,308 --> 00:25:02,178
So reminds me, me and Giacomo once put a Venn diagram together, uh, with the

548
00:25:02,178 --> 00:25:04,668
three different categories of, of science.

549
00:25:05,368 --> 00:25:06,018
And one is.

550
00:25:06,483 --> 00:25:11,663
a priori science, which is praxeology and mathematics and logic and whatnot, where

551
00:25:11,663 --> 00:25:17,133
you just deductively reason yourself to from a set of axioms that are undeniable.

552
00:25:17,813 --> 00:25:22,233
And then there's empirical research, which is, you know, modern academia and you do

553
00:25:22,243 --> 00:25:27,213
studies and they get peer reviewed and you get a good picture of what's going on.

554
00:25:27,683 --> 00:25:31,233
And then there's the third category, which is bro science, which is

555
00:25:31,243 --> 00:25:32,963
sort of what you just explained.

556
00:25:32,963 --> 00:25:33,723
It is not!

557
00:25:35,043 --> 00:25:36,133
But where you...

558
00:25:36,598 --> 00:25:39,668
You just, you don't really have any evidence for your

559
00:25:39,668 --> 00:25:42,008
arguments, but you make sense.

560
00:25:42,048 --> 00:25:43,158
Like, yeah.

561
00:25:43,528 --> 00:25:47,378
So let's unpack this, but you say you don't have any evidence.

562
00:25:47,408 --> 00:25:55,303
If you sit down and you experienced through your own awareness that Wow.

563
00:25:55,323 --> 00:25:55,613
Okay.

564
00:25:55,613 --> 00:25:57,723
My body is not what I thought it was.

565
00:25:57,753 --> 00:26:01,153
I think it's this solid structure that goes around and eats and shits

566
00:26:01,263 --> 00:26:05,473
and does all this other stuff, but it's so much more than that.

567
00:26:05,843 --> 00:26:07,883
It's constant fluctuation.

568
00:26:07,883 --> 00:26:09,333
It's not even solid.

569
00:26:09,643 --> 00:26:13,643
And you have the experience of that, but you say to somebody, um, you're, you're

570
00:26:13,653 --> 00:26:15,553
all energy and you're not really matter.

571
00:26:15,553 --> 00:26:16,523
And they'd be like, yeah, bro,

572
00:26:16,523 --> 00:26:17,323
science, bro.

573
00:26:17,363 --> 00:26:19,693
But energy and matter are two sides of the same coin.

574
00:26:20,733 --> 00:26:21,603
So maybe we're saying

575
00:26:21,603 --> 00:26:22,323
the same thing.

576
00:26:22,778 --> 00:26:23,618
Yeah, I think so.

577
00:26:23,808 --> 00:26:24,368
Oh, wow.

578
00:26:24,368 --> 00:26:24,938
I got it.

579
00:26:25,698 --> 00:26:26,318
I got it.

580
00:26:26,628 --> 00:26:28,188
Went from bro science to, yeah, it's

581
00:26:28,188 --> 00:26:28,228
really...

582
00:26:28,228 --> 00:26:34,868
But then again, I, I think it, uh, goes back to, you know, um, I think therefore

583
00:26:34,868 --> 00:26:39,608
I am, which is, uh, which Descartes, which, uh, the, Descartes famous quote,

584
00:26:39,648 --> 00:26:43,538
which has been revised to, I think therefore some thinking is going on

585
00:26:43,568 --> 00:26:47,978
somewhere, which is the only statement that you can actually prove is true.

586
00:26:48,668 --> 00:26:51,988
Like regardless of if you have ATIQ or more, like that's...

587
00:26:52,153 --> 00:26:53,553
That's the only thing you can prove.

588
00:26:53,903 --> 00:26:55,123
Right, right.

589
00:26:55,723 --> 00:26:56,323
Uh,

590
00:26:56,553 --> 00:27:01,433
so I went through a huge dilemma with, I think therefore I am when I was, uh,

591
00:27:01,453 --> 00:27:06,223
first started meditating because I was trying to move past the thoughts rather

592
00:27:06,223 --> 00:27:11,623
than just observe them and I was like, fuck, I think therefore I am, yeah,

593
00:27:11,623 --> 00:27:13,413
no, I'm much more than the thinking.

594
00:27:13,713 --> 00:27:16,783
And so I had this real battle with Descartes for like eight

595
00:27:16,783 --> 00:27:20,443
years and coming back full circle going, yeah, no, I get it.

596
00:27:20,823 --> 00:27:22,453
I understand where this guy was coming from.

597
00:27:22,793 --> 00:27:23,203
This,

598
00:27:24,333 --> 00:27:26,673
this gets us into AI territory.

599
00:27:26,703 --> 00:27:31,463
And I find this fascinating because I think I figured out

600
00:27:31,493 --> 00:27:34,013
why AI isn't intelligence.

601
00:27:35,043 --> 00:27:36,033
Because we make it?

602
00:27:36,133 --> 00:27:40,313
No, because it lacks, sort of, because it lacks agency.

603
00:27:41,028 --> 00:27:41,368
Okay.

604
00:27:41,388 --> 00:27:46,188
It's never compelled to act, uh, because of its own wishes.

605
00:27:46,298 --> 00:27:48,698
It's, it's a perfect slave, but it can

606
00:27:48,798 --> 00:27:49,243
never be a master.

607
00:27:49,243 --> 00:27:50,418
How do you give AI a penis then?

608
00:27:50,428 --> 00:27:52,138
Maybe it, I have the impetus.

609
00:27:52,208 --> 00:27:52,658
No, sorry.

610
00:27:52,828 --> 00:27:54,868
You'll have to give it an artificial one, I'm afraid.

611
00:27:55,558 --> 00:27:56,918
No, I don't mean to break up your flow.

612
00:27:57,668 --> 00:27:58,508
It's just non humorous.

613
00:28:00,008 --> 00:28:05,648
So I think, and I think this ties into how humans view themselves in general

614
00:28:05,648 --> 00:28:07,648
and how we view society and everything.

615
00:28:08,098 --> 00:28:09,818
Like we think intelligence is.

616
00:28:11,448 --> 00:28:16,718
This thing that you can pull away from, from agency, but it's not like

617
00:28:16,718 --> 00:28:22,348
we, we, we need agency and, uh, well, for lack of a better word, free will.

618
00:28:22,418 --> 00:28:26,228
You can argue that you don't really have free will because you don't

619
00:28:26,228 --> 00:28:28,788
control what thoughts get into your brain and so on and whatnot.

620
00:28:28,808 --> 00:28:30,558
But I love the Hitchens quote.

621
00:28:32,038 --> 00:28:33,138
Of course I have free will.

622
00:28:33,138 --> 00:28:34,448
I have no choice but to have it.

623
00:28:36,028 --> 00:28:36,918
Because I have free will.

624
00:28:38,388 --> 00:28:39,648
That's sort of true as well.

625
00:28:39,648 --> 00:28:44,678
Like if, if we are to discuss anything or get anywhere with anything, we need

626
00:28:44,678 --> 00:28:46,238
to presuppose that we have free will.

627
00:28:46,248 --> 00:28:47,918
Otherwise, what's the point?

628
00:28:47,988 --> 00:28:51,268
Like, there's absolutely no point otherwise.

629
00:28:51,638 --> 00:28:54,318
And also led me to other conclusions that we couldn't

630
00:28:54,318 --> 00:28:55,858
have free will without entropy.

631
00:28:55,868 --> 00:29:01,358
If the universe was deterministic, there can be no free will by definition.

632
00:29:01,378 --> 00:29:04,603
So maybe, Free will is connected to entropy somehow.

633
00:29:05,203 --> 00:29:07,113
I don't know at all where I'm going with this.

634
00:29:07,153 --> 00:29:07,373
Where

635
00:29:07,373 --> 00:29:12,693
do you, where, where do you land with that in your own ideology of what life

636
00:29:12,723 --> 00:29:18,263
is in the sense then, do you feel that you as Knut Svanholm have free will?

637
00:29:18,263 --> 00:29:20,743
Unless Sofia says, Hey, it's time to go.

638
00:29:20,813 --> 00:29:21,343
I have free

639
00:29:22,823 --> 00:29:24,383
will when she's not around.

640
00:29:24,383 --> 00:29:24,573
That's

641
00:29:27,563 --> 00:29:27,923
for sure.

642
00:29:30,433 --> 00:29:30,993
No, but.

643
00:29:32,763 --> 00:29:35,773
Yeah, I don't, I think agency is a better word.

644
00:29:36,103 --> 00:29:36,523
Okay.

645
00:29:36,573 --> 00:29:44,123
Uh, so, so as praxeology tells us, we, we, anything we do in any deliberate action

646
00:29:44,153 --> 00:29:49,673
is to remove a felt uneasiness by using means to reach a certain end, because we

647
00:29:49,673 --> 00:29:53,453
envision that end to be a better state of being than the one we're in now.

648
00:29:53,673 --> 00:29:54,913
Yeah, so true.

649
00:29:55,403 --> 00:29:58,703
And to me, a machine can never do that.

650
00:29:59,163 --> 00:30:04,683
Um, Bitcoiners can do that and by extension why Bitcoin can do that.

651
00:30:04,683 --> 00:30:06,513
But that's because Bitcoin is us.

652
00:30:06,573 --> 00:30:06,813
Yes.

653
00:30:06,873 --> 00:30:10,023
It's not because Bitcoin is this, you know, string of numbers.

654
00:30:10,523 --> 00:30:19,583
It enables us to to, you know, act in ways that are mutually beneficial,

655
00:30:19,583 --> 00:30:21,083
that makes that thing easier.

656
00:30:22,053 --> 00:30:26,733
So when I first saw you talking about us being the nodes, I was blown away because.

657
00:30:28,553 --> 00:30:33,113
You know me, and that's, that's, I mean, I know this, I feel this on the

658
00:30:33,113 --> 00:30:35,123
deepest of all level that we are Bitcoin.

659
00:30:35,493 --> 00:30:38,103
And when I heard you say it as well, I was like, wow, I just

660
00:30:38,103 --> 00:30:39,883
love, how do I love this guy more?

661
00:30:41,783 --> 00:30:47,113
But I also put it that, uh, going back to the Kama Sutra, tip of the spear.

662
00:30:48,043 --> 00:30:50,173
Come here, come here, let me hug you baby.

663
00:30:50,693 --> 00:30:51,713
Different direction.

664
00:30:51,833 --> 00:30:52,613
So how do I end this?

665
00:30:52,613 --> 00:30:53,153
Look

666
00:30:53,333 --> 00:30:57,773
. I feel that intent of Satoshi came through the code and some I I, like

667
00:30:57,773 --> 00:31:01,913
I said to farmer Jen in Australia, I was going on and on about we are bio

668
00:31:01,913 --> 00:31:03,953
electromagnetic nodes and this and that.

669
00:31:03,953 --> 00:31:07,183
She goes, it could just be hard money, Izzy.

670
00:31:07,243 --> 00:31:10,723
I'm like, could be, but it does something in the world.

671
00:31:10,933 --> 00:31:11,833
It connects us.

672
00:31:11,863 --> 00:31:12,013
Yeah.

673
00:31:12,073 --> 00:31:15,523
And if you look at where we are in the human endeavor, what did we need?

674
00:31:15,673 --> 00:31:17,303
Fiat money.

675
00:31:17,523 --> 00:31:20,533
Disconnects us, puts us in enslavement.

676
00:31:21,203 --> 00:31:23,133
Jeff Booth talks about this a lot, right?

677
00:31:23,553 --> 00:31:29,473
And to be able to take our sovereignty back, because I don't

678
00:31:29,473 --> 00:31:31,043
think Bitcoin gives you sovereignty.

679
00:31:31,043 --> 00:31:33,623
I think it reminds you, you already were fucking sovereign.

680
00:31:34,083 --> 00:31:39,823
To be able to take that back, we needed to connect because Knut, or I

681
00:31:39,823 --> 00:31:41,063
don't know, I was about to dox you.

682
00:31:41,423 --> 00:31:46,183
Pseudo Finn, as himself, you can't fight this system.

683
00:31:46,553 --> 00:31:47,213
You can't.

684
00:31:47,403 --> 00:31:49,413
They have all the money, they print it.

685
00:31:49,743 --> 00:31:52,313
They have all the weapons, they created them.

686
00:31:52,323 --> 00:31:56,553
They have the media, and I can get into who they is, if you

687
00:31:56,553 --> 00:31:58,043
want, but they have all that.

688
00:31:58,233 --> 00:32:03,473
So one person is not going to be able to stand up like, uh, let's say a Jesus or

689
00:32:03,473 --> 00:32:08,453
whatever and be the Messiah, for lack of a better word, the inspiration for humanity.

690
00:32:08,773 --> 00:32:09,613
But what is?

691
00:32:12,048 --> 00:32:14,638
Swarm of what Michael would say, cyber hornets.

692
00:32:15,268 --> 00:32:20,058
So I think very similar to you that Bitcoin is much more than hard money.

693
00:32:20,318 --> 00:32:25,658
It creates a mirror that reflects back our transactional lives and forces us

694
00:32:25,678 --> 00:32:29,918
to start asking questions about who we are, what this is, what is education,

695
00:32:29,918 --> 00:32:34,328
where was I lied to, and then I look in your eyes and I see the proof of work.

696
00:32:35,118 --> 00:32:35,628
Holy shit.

697
00:32:35,638 --> 00:32:39,118
He went down the same rabbit holes as me.

698
00:32:39,618 --> 00:32:40,988
And so we connect.

699
00:32:41,948 --> 00:32:47,438
In this life, right here, right now, and the more of us that connect in this opt

700
00:32:47,438 --> 00:32:49,658
out freedom movement, we change the world.

701
00:32:50,328 --> 00:32:51,258
Yeah, absolutely.

702
00:32:51,828 --> 00:32:55,678
I'm going to do the Knut thing about the bio electromagnetic nodes.

703
00:32:55,778 --> 00:32:56,128
Great.

704
00:32:56,238 --> 00:32:58,338
Then I'm going to bring up some science.

705
00:32:58,798 --> 00:32:59,858
The bioelectric.

706
00:33:00,318 --> 00:33:02,928
The bioelectric part, yeah.

707
00:33:03,048 --> 00:33:04,788
Is literally true.

708
00:33:05,028 --> 00:33:10,918
Like the nodes are us and we, our bodies are electrical things.

709
00:33:10,948 --> 00:33:11,308
Yes.

710
00:33:11,368 --> 00:33:12,988
And they're biological things.

711
00:33:13,228 --> 00:33:15,118
But where does the magnetic part come in?

712
00:33:15,118 --> 00:33:15,508
Is that a

713
00:33:15,508 --> 00:33:16,048
metaphor?

714
00:33:16,408 --> 00:33:17,518
No, it's not actually.

715
00:33:17,518 --> 00:33:21,808
So if you look at bio electromagnetism, you see that there's a lot of, um,

716
00:33:22,078 --> 00:33:23,968
especially neurological sciences.

717
00:33:23,998 --> 00:33:24,088
Mm-hmm.

718
00:33:24,328 --> 00:33:26,818
neurological studies happen about what happens.

719
00:33:27,373 --> 00:33:30,063
The cell structure of the brain.

720
00:33:30,243 --> 00:33:30,573
Dammit.

721
00:33:30,573 --> 00:33:31,533
I thought I got you there.

722
00:33:31,683 --> 00:33:35,553
with bio electromagnetism, and if you look at it as well, just in a

723
00:33:35,553 --> 00:33:40,563
macrocosmic, microcosmic way, if the earth is bioelectromagnetic,

724
00:33:40,563 --> 00:33:41,913
which we know that it is, mm-hmm.

725
00:33:42,153 --> 00:33:43,983
, then we're born of this earth.

726
00:33:44,718 --> 00:33:47,248
How are we not of that same thing?

727
00:33:47,248 --> 00:33:51,208
Well, modern medicine knows that we are because they study on an

728
00:33:51,238 --> 00:33:58,818
intercellular level how, how that affects human thinking and physiology.

729
00:33:59,208 --> 00:34:02,368
So when I say we're bioelectromagnetic nodes, it's not a

730
00:34:02,368 --> 00:34:02,838
metaphor.

731
00:34:03,663 --> 00:34:04,373
Excellent.

732
00:34:06,093 --> 00:34:07,033
Good answer.

733
00:34:08,223 --> 00:34:10,743
There's probably some doctor out there going, Jesus, he just

734
00:34:10,753 --> 00:34:12,653
bastardized my whole life work.

735
00:34:12,653 --> 00:34:13,343
Speaking of

736
00:34:13,863 --> 00:34:19,953
magnetic doctor, a doctor friend of mine recently told me a story

737
00:34:20,303 --> 00:34:22,593
about a gut surgery he had to do.

738
00:34:22,593 --> 00:34:24,573
And then you wonder what the fuck did this guy do?

739
00:34:24,823 --> 00:34:27,943
And it turns out he ate two neodyme magnets.

740
00:34:30,063 --> 00:34:30,683
The first one.

741
00:34:31,273 --> 00:34:33,323
Waited for an hour or two and ate the other one.

742
00:34:33,373 --> 00:34:37,173
They go through his belly and like, and it's stuck.

743
00:34:38,593 --> 00:34:41,633
So don't eat neodymium magnets.

744
00:34:42,113 --> 00:34:43,113
I forgot we were on film.

745
00:34:43,113 --> 00:34:43,273
Yeah.

746
00:34:43,333 --> 00:34:44,123
Don't eat magnets.

747
00:34:44,873 --> 00:34:49,953
For any of you hippies out there, don't, don't go down the.

748
00:34:50,713 --> 00:34:57,003
You know, hippies in the 80s and 90s, they walk around barefoot and they're

749
00:34:57,033 --> 00:35:01,563
talking about, Hey man, I'm fucking, I'm, I'm just, can we curse on here?

750
00:35:01,593 --> 00:35:02,373
I'm recursing, right?

751
00:35:02,533 --> 00:35:03,033
Fuck yeah.

752
00:35:03,033 --> 00:35:03,593
Sorry, mom.

753
00:35:03,773 --> 00:35:04,313
I love you.

754
00:35:04,993 --> 00:35:05,743
I love you a lot.

755
00:35:06,453 --> 00:35:08,893
Um, but they would say, Hey man, we're, we're earthing.

756
00:35:09,273 --> 00:35:10,103
We're just earthing.

757
00:35:10,293 --> 00:35:14,313
And all the sciences would be like, these guys are so stupid.

758
00:35:15,213 --> 00:35:18,793
I mean, I'm paraphrasing, but nonetheless, they weren't stupid at all.

759
00:35:18,993 --> 00:35:24,223
We know most of them were, wait, it's because they had so many psychedelics,

760
00:35:24,253 --> 00:35:29,063
they broke their brain in half, but they knew that standing on the earth,

761
00:35:29,293 --> 00:35:31,143
this is that experiential science.

762
00:35:31,203 --> 00:35:32,813
They had at least 80

763
00:35:33,403 --> 00:35:35,203
IQ, maybe 78.

764
00:35:36,128 --> 00:35:40,398
But they knew a couple of things, at least this was my experience in being

765
00:35:40,398 --> 00:35:46,938
a low IQ hippie after medicine, I may not have segwayed from that, but, um,

766
00:35:47,218 --> 00:35:50,858
when you go barefoot on the earth, you feel, you feel the difference.

767
00:35:50,858 --> 00:35:55,628
And now we have studies that prove that, that shows what happens to your cells,

768
00:35:55,628 --> 00:35:58,738
what happens in your body when you're, when you're connected with the earth.

769
00:35:58,818 --> 00:36:02,748
And then another element of that is as well, when you walk barefoot,

770
00:36:03,078 --> 00:36:06,578
you're sending constant information from your foot to your brain.

771
00:36:07,293 --> 00:36:09,003
About, you need to move this way.

772
00:36:09,008 --> 00:36:09,753
You need to segue.

773
00:36:09,758 --> 00:36:09,813
Yeah.

774
00:36:09,873 --> 00:36:11,403
This way there's a sharp rock.

775
00:36:11,763 --> 00:36:11,943
Yeah.

776
00:36:11,943 --> 00:36:15,853
That's why we have this big prefrontal, prefrontal cortal.

777
00:36:15,853 --> 00:36:20,493
It's, it's mainly to, to coordinate movement, you know, standing up, walking.

778
00:36:20,703 --> 00:36:21,213
Yeah.

779
00:36:21,333 --> 00:36:24,033
And so when we put these shoes on with these great, they're

780
00:36:24,038 --> 00:36:25,733
like rubber coffins, uhhuh.

781
00:36:26,753 --> 00:36:29,783
We deny the ability to develop that.

782
00:36:30,073 --> 00:36:30,823
In a sense.

783
00:36:31,073 --> 00:36:33,153
I'm not saying it's bad to wear shoes or anything.

784
00:36:33,363 --> 00:36:33,883
Take your fucking

785
00:36:34,063 --> 00:36:34,323
shoes off.

786
00:36:34,433 --> 00:36:36,083
Yeah, that's exactly what you're saying.

787
00:36:36,103 --> 00:36:37,183
I am a little bit.

788
00:36:37,553 --> 00:36:41,813
I just think, like, there was a Bitcoiner, uh, in Australia recently, and he

789
00:36:41,813 --> 00:36:45,023
was like, I probably haven't had my shoes off on the earth in three years.

790
00:36:45,023 --> 00:36:47,383
I'm like, you need to go outside right now and just walk around.

791
00:36:48,703 --> 00:36:51,613
And from a health perspective as well, if you look at the studies that were

792
00:36:51,613 --> 00:36:56,563
done with some of the Swedish and Finnish children who go barefoot year round.

793
00:36:57,633 --> 00:36:58,983
They don't get sick a lot.

794
00:36:59,063 --> 00:37:01,663
They're exposed to the elements a lot more.

795
00:37:02,213 --> 00:37:06,613
I mean, you can't say it's only because of that, but that exposure

796
00:37:07,033 --> 00:37:08,273
has got to be more healthy.

797
00:37:08,403 --> 00:37:11,283
Is this the section that is going to trigger that YouTube

798
00:37:11,343 --> 00:37:12,913
algorithm with the fact checking?

799
00:37:13,523 --> 00:37:13,753
I hope so.

800
00:37:13,753 --> 00:37:15,513
Just call

801
00:37:15,673 --> 00:37:17,063
this episode Broscience with Izzy.

802
00:37:17,063 --> 00:37:17,873
Yeah, yeah, yeah,

803
00:37:17,933 --> 00:37:18,293
yeah.

804
00:37:18,593 --> 00:37:19,453
That's a good title.

805
00:37:19,653 --> 00:37:20,143
Probably, we've

806
00:37:20,613 --> 00:37:21,993
got the title now, yeah.

807
00:37:21,993 --> 00:37:22,313
You

808
00:37:22,633 --> 00:37:23,433
guys are assholes.

809
00:37:23,433 --> 00:37:24,293
You know what's funny?

810
00:37:24,643 --> 00:37:25,233
I love you.

811
00:37:25,293 --> 00:37:26,303
Izzy.

812
00:37:27,103 --> 00:37:27,223
He

813
00:37:28,113 --> 00:37:29,353
means it, I mean it too.

814
00:37:29,413 --> 00:37:33,883
When I visited you guys in Sydney, someone told me that

815
00:37:33,973 --> 00:37:35,353
Australia is made of iron ore.

816
00:37:36,028 --> 00:37:36,878
Like, mostly.

817
00:37:36,998 --> 00:37:37,998
It's mostly iron ore.

818
00:37:38,038 --> 00:37:38,368
It is

819
00:37:38,368 --> 00:37:40,628
Gondwana land, doesn't have the thickest mantle.

820
00:37:40,688 --> 00:37:43,258
And I felt, like, more grounded.

821
00:37:43,338 --> 00:37:46,368
Like, there was something special about walking around in Australia

822
00:37:46,408 --> 00:37:47,608
compared to different continents.

823
00:37:47,648 --> 00:37:48,368
You're being serious?

824
00:37:48,378 --> 00:37:50,468
Yeah, I'm being sort of serious.

825
00:37:50,468 --> 00:37:54,108
I, I, I think it's just my brain playing tricks of me, mostly.

826
00:37:54,138 --> 00:37:57,808
Because of my, you know, stubborn, denying everything attitude.

827
00:37:57,808 --> 00:38:01,718
But, but, uh, yeah, there's a, there's a feeling there.

828
00:38:02,688 --> 00:38:06,828
I have a cousin down there who told me about that and that he felt one with

829
00:38:06,828 --> 00:38:09,968
the land and all of this stuff is deep into meditation and stuff as well.

830
00:38:10,008 --> 00:38:14,668
So like, I think there's something to Australia, something

831
00:38:14,668 --> 00:38:15,288
based.

832
00:38:15,728 --> 00:38:18,508
When I went to Australia, I was only going to stay 18 months

833
00:38:18,508 --> 00:38:20,278
on, uh, on that job contract.

834
00:38:20,508 --> 00:38:21,468
And then you missed your flight.

835
00:38:25,533 --> 00:38:26,513
30 years later.

836
00:38:27,563 --> 00:38:30,883
And, and, and my parents were asking me like, why do you want to stay?

837
00:38:30,883 --> 00:38:31,643
And I said, I don't know.

838
00:38:31,643 --> 00:38:32,353
There's two things.

839
00:38:32,353 --> 00:38:34,693
One, there's a different, it feels like there's a different

840
00:38:34,703 --> 00:38:35,933
moral consciousness here.

841
00:38:35,933 --> 00:38:38,313
Like Australians didn't take themselves too seriously.

842
00:38:38,343 --> 00:38:38,633
No.

843
00:38:38,803 --> 00:38:40,873
And they don't let you take yourself seriously.

844
00:38:40,873 --> 00:38:41,588
No, I love that.

845
00:38:41,868 --> 00:38:42,308
I love it too.

846
00:38:42,318 --> 00:38:42,898
Yeah, yeah.

847
00:38:43,118 --> 00:38:48,058
And then the other, what you said, I just felt Grounded?

848
00:38:50,828 --> 00:38:52,818
I just felt a It's gonna sound wakey.

849
00:38:52,818 --> 00:38:53,428
Based, based is the word.

850
00:38:53,568 --> 00:38:57,778
I felt a pull to be there, like something in that place felt like

851
00:38:57,778 --> 00:38:59,048
you, you're meant to be here.

852
00:38:59,048 --> 00:39:00,988
This is where you're meant to walk around.

853
00:39:01,753 --> 00:39:06,073
And they say that Byron Bay in Australia is very similar to that because it

854
00:39:06,073 --> 00:39:11,263
was the indigenous, um, they had a lot of sacred ceremony there and it sort

855
00:39:11,263 --> 00:39:13,633
of holds this energy, if you will.

856
00:39:13,863 --> 00:39:16,613
But yeah, they talk about what is below the earth as well, but

857
00:39:16,613 --> 00:39:19,233
it was, um, Gondwana land, right?

858
00:39:19,233 --> 00:39:25,893
It was part of Gondwana and it's studied that it has the thickest crusts or

859
00:39:25,893 --> 00:39:28,783
mantle beneath beneath the earth as well.

860
00:39:28,793 --> 00:39:33,733
That, that, um, All of Australia and what used to be the, the

861
00:39:33,803 --> 00:39:35,123
portions that broke away.

862
00:39:36,193 --> 00:39:37,633
So maybe there is something in that.

863
00:39:38,433 --> 00:39:38,953
Maybe.

864
00:39:39,893 --> 00:39:41,223
Definitely call it bro science.

865
00:39:41,323 --> 00:39:44,113
I have to come back and make an empirical study.

866
00:39:44,703 --> 00:39:46,053
Well, you're an honorary.

867
00:39:46,438 --> 00:39:49,448
I don't know if your listeners know this, but you're an honorary Australian.

868
00:39:49,718 --> 00:39:51,148
That, that, that was immediate.

869
00:39:51,148 --> 00:39:55,918
People, people in Australia were like going crazy that

870
00:39:55,918 --> 00:39:57,318
Knut was coming down under.

871
00:39:58,808 --> 00:40:00,198
It was amazing, actually.

872
00:40:00,428 --> 00:40:03,348
And you, and doing that panel with you up on stage, me, you and

873
00:40:03,348 --> 00:40:05,068
Mike Dunworth, Is Bitcoin Alive?

874
00:40:05,388 --> 00:40:07,228
It's one of the funnest things I've ever done.

875
00:40:07,348 --> 00:40:08,138
Yeah, same here.

876
00:40:08,188 --> 00:40:09,398
I absolutely love that.

877
00:40:09,623 --> 00:40:10,003
It was just such a riff.

878
00:40:10,003 --> 00:40:11,113
Because I love your brains.

879
00:40:12,593 --> 00:40:13,943
Well, Mike's wild.

880
00:40:14,713 --> 00:40:17,393
For anyone that doesn't know, like, I don't know if you know who Michael

881
00:40:17,393 --> 00:40:17,713
Tomer is.

882
00:40:17,713 --> 00:40:20,243
No, we have had him on, uh, Yeah, just recently.

883
00:40:20,583 --> 00:40:21,193
Oh, you did?

884
00:40:21,213 --> 00:40:21,353
Yeah.

885
00:40:21,353 --> 00:40:21,713
Yeah.

886
00:40:21,713 --> 00:40:23,523
And then he was on Infinity Day as well.

887
00:40:23,523 --> 00:40:24,783
Both Peter and Michael were there.

888
00:40:24,813 --> 00:40:26,333
Yeah, two of my yeah, we love them.

889
00:40:27,833 --> 00:40:32,003
I mean, he time locked Bitcoin and put it into the future and said, steal my keys.

890
00:40:34,053 --> 00:40:34,443
Yeah.

891
00:40:34,503 --> 00:40:34,793
Wow.

892
00:40:34,803 --> 00:40:35,573
I love this.

893
00:40:36,043 --> 00:40:36,403
Love it.

894
00:40:38,153 --> 00:40:38,503
Yeah.

895
00:40:38,503 --> 00:40:38,713
Okay.

896
00:40:38,733 --> 00:40:39,053
Maybe.

897
00:40:39,193 --> 00:40:44,873
I mean, uh, I experimental and experiential to me is those are

898
00:40:44,873 --> 00:40:46,413
the, those are the sciences.

899
00:40:46,653 --> 00:40:51,213
Like I experience Bitcoin and I can't verify it, but.

900
00:40:51,833 --> 00:40:54,183
I can, you'll feel it when you're around

901
00:40:54,183 --> 00:40:54,393
me.

902
00:40:54,543 --> 00:40:56,923
So where does a priori come in there?

903
00:40:56,933 --> 00:40:57,003
Elaborate.

904
00:40:57,083 --> 00:41:04,803
Like, uh, deductive reasoning only, like praxeology and mathematics, like something

905
00:41:04,803 --> 00:41:10,093
you, you reason yourself to a certain positions from a fixed set of axioms,

906
00:41:10,113 --> 00:41:14,823
that type of methodology, which is like, that's the thing that changed everything

907
00:41:14,823 --> 00:41:16,513
for me, like realizing that that's.

908
00:41:18,223 --> 00:41:22,153
That will lead you to more robust conclusions than,

909
00:41:22,213 --> 00:41:23,773
than empiricism ever can.

910
00:41:24,483 --> 00:41:24,963
Uh,

911
00:41:25,503 --> 00:41:29,403
here, let, let the a d I Q, uh, in the room, uh, try to put these two together.

912
00:41:29,463 --> 00:41:33,123
I, I think, I think a priori and, and experi experiential,

913
00:41:33,123 --> 00:41:34,293
it's, that's the same thing.

914
00:41:34,653 --> 00:41:35,823
I, I think, well,

915
00:41:35,913 --> 00:41:38,733
experiential to me sounds like empirical.

916
00:41:38,763 --> 00:41:40,413
No, but you, but you, you, you.

917
00:41:40,703 --> 00:41:42,613
Do the deduction part, right?

918
00:41:42,803 --> 00:41:44,483
Like that's, that's the whole thing.

919
00:41:44,483 --> 00:41:47,873
If you, if you can just deductively reason the entire thing, then you're

920
00:41:47,883 --> 00:41:49,313
doing the experiential part of it.

921
00:41:49,763 --> 00:41:54,283
And, and, and the other side of it is if all you've got is, is your experience,

922
00:41:54,283 --> 00:41:57,183
how you're experiencing something well, then that's, that's true, but

923
00:41:57,183 --> 00:41:58,433
you're not producing evidence for that.

924
00:41:58,443 --> 00:42:02,963
And the, the, uh, the out of your ass science, a posteriori is, is,

925
00:42:02,963 --> 00:42:07,683
uh, is, uh, uh, you know, like that, that's the scientific method, right?

926
00:42:07,713 --> 00:42:08,373
Yeah, it is.

927
00:42:08,508 --> 00:42:11,638
So, so, um, yeah, it's not really out of your ass, but

928
00:42:11,638 --> 00:42:12,708
yeah, it kind of is.

929
00:42:12,888 --> 00:42:14,598
And you can't have one without the other.

930
00:42:14,858 --> 00:42:15,188
No.

931
00:42:15,218 --> 00:42:17,328
So it's, I think it is the two sides of the coin.

932
00:42:17,328 --> 00:42:20,478
It's just said differently because the, the praxeological part, right.

933
00:42:20,748 --> 00:42:24,358
Where, where this sort of like, let's, let's build a set of axioms that actually

934
00:42:24,358 --> 00:42:26,038
explains the world in a real sense.

935
00:42:26,048 --> 00:42:28,198
Well, yeah, it's the, the sense of experience.

936
00:42:28,198 --> 00:42:31,478
And so I think just talk about two things, different perspectives.

937
00:42:32,448 --> 00:42:34,558
There is a, uh, I agree with that.

938
00:42:34,558 --> 00:42:37,988
I think we come from it from those different angles and sort of.

939
00:42:38,498 --> 00:42:42,348
The, the, the speech or the vernacular sometimes maybe can make it seem

940
00:42:42,358 --> 00:42:43,828
like it's different, but it's not.

941
00:42:45,478 --> 00:42:51,428
What I get from Knut, you have this amazing ability to process

942
00:42:51,478 --> 00:42:59,918
information, categorize it, and almost tabilize it for a certain, to use

943
00:42:59,918 --> 00:43:05,078
that word, in a way that you digest it and it all makes sense to you.

944
00:43:05,728 --> 00:43:11,698
I think Twitter had a big role in helping me develop that skill, if you will,

945
00:43:12,318 --> 00:43:17,558
because you're limited to 144 characters, and I love that limit, that this is

946
00:43:17,558 --> 00:43:22,258
something I realized when producing music a long time ago, that like, when

947
00:43:22,258 --> 00:43:27,158
all the soft synthesizers came and all the digital effects and stuff, you had,

948
00:43:27,638 --> 00:43:33,768
instead of being constrained, you had This vast ocean of tools to use to produce

949
00:43:33,768 --> 00:43:38,798
music, which led you to like polishing a turd for a year instead of just taking

950
00:43:38,798 --> 00:43:40,668
a better take of the song or something.

951
00:43:40,668 --> 00:43:42,518
There's a, Oh, the hi hat sound is wrong.

952
00:43:42,528 --> 00:43:45,028
You should have another reverb on the hi hat or whatever.

953
00:43:45,378 --> 00:43:51,868
So I figured out over time that creativity requires, uh, boundaries.

954
00:43:52,388 --> 00:43:55,888
Like if you're, if you're pursuing something creatively, like.

955
00:43:56,123 --> 00:43:59,163
Uh, if you don't have, if you don't set boundaries for yourself, you're

956
00:43:59,163 --> 00:44:03,313
going to, you're going to hinder the process by having too many options.

957
00:44:03,883 --> 00:44:06,843
So, and I think there's a, like a band, like the White Stripes

958
00:44:06,843 --> 00:44:08,353
is a very good example of that.

959
00:44:08,363 --> 00:44:11,513
Like they limited themselves to, we're only going to use, it's

960
00:44:11,513 --> 00:44:13,643
only us two, drum kit and guitar.

961
00:44:13,663 --> 00:44:14,133
That's it.

962
00:44:14,183 --> 00:44:19,973
Like you can find freedom in there and you can, because you, you, you're forced to

963
00:44:19,973 --> 00:44:22,763
find these true expressions, if you will.

964
00:44:22,763 --> 00:44:26,433
And that's why I often like a sketch better than an.

965
00:44:26,743 --> 00:44:27,483
oil painting.

966
00:44:28,183 --> 00:44:29,243
You know what I mean?

967
00:44:29,283 --> 00:44:34,183
So I think there's some, there's a flow part of creativity and that you need to,

968
00:44:34,823 --> 00:44:40,823
I mean, if you work on something forever, I mean, I love the roof of the 16th chapel

969
00:44:40,823 --> 00:44:45,963
as much as the next guy, but, but still there's something to spontaneity and

970
00:44:45,973 --> 00:44:52,443
keeping a flow in creativity and being, uh, I learned a lot from, uh, The, um,

971
00:44:52,563 --> 00:44:55,393
South Park documentary, Six Days to Air.

972
00:44:56,063 --> 00:44:57,843
So it's about how they make South Park.

973
00:44:58,183 --> 00:45:00,673
And Trey Parker writes the script in two days.

974
00:45:01,093 --> 00:45:05,283
So, so they, they, uh, they start thinking about it six days before

975
00:45:05,283 --> 00:45:09,123
it airs and they make the entire episode, which is fucking amazing.

976
00:45:09,743 --> 00:45:12,613
And, and he says that he could have worked.

977
00:45:12,993 --> 00:45:16,623
Uh, for an extra month on the script and the script would

978
00:45:16,623 --> 00:45:18,423
have become 5 percent better.

979
00:45:18,653 --> 00:45:19,073
Yeah, right.

980
00:45:19,133 --> 00:45:24,833
So, so the last month, it's, it's just this unnecessary polishing.

981
00:45:25,023 --> 00:45:30,203
And I think he's a better writer now because he learned how to be satisfied

982
00:45:30,203 --> 00:45:31,803
with, with 95 percent percent.

983
00:45:32,123 --> 00:45:35,393
Perfection, and, and then just moving on to new things.

984
00:45:36,073 --> 00:45:39,623
So, and of course it's subjective and different for different people, but

985
00:45:39,623 --> 00:45:43,863
I think you have to find if you're doing any, anything creative, you have

986
00:45:43,863 --> 00:45:46,823
to find your, your approach to it.

987
00:45:47,103 --> 00:45:50,793
I know many people in Bitcoin that, that are writing books.

988
00:45:51,188 --> 00:45:54,138
Yeah, but they're never done because they're perfectionists.

989
00:45:54,408 --> 00:45:56,008
There's a lot of perfectionists there.

990
00:45:56,458 --> 00:45:57,798
It can be the death notes.

991
00:45:57,858 --> 00:45:59,798
I experienced that in business.

992
00:46:00,328 --> 00:46:04,198
You know, and luckily I've surrounded myself with some absolutely

993
00:46:04,198 --> 00:46:08,228
amazing bitcoiners because they're like, nah, Izzy, bring it now.

994
00:46:08,758 --> 00:46:10,828
It's, it's 95%, right?

995
00:46:11,338 --> 00:46:14,118
And the rest, the other 5 percent will work out in market.

996
00:46:14,268 --> 00:46:14,508
Yeah.

997
00:46:14,598 --> 00:46:16,418
We'll work out in the board meeting.

998
00:46:16,548 --> 00:46:16,778
Yeah.

999
00:46:16,978 --> 00:46:18,608
Where I'm kind of like, yeah, no, I just want.

1000
00:46:18,943 --> 00:46:20,013
Take a little bit more time.

1001
00:46:20,123 --> 00:46:21,663
No, no, we're going now.

1002
00:46:22,043 --> 00:46:23,723
Well, what would you say at the start of this?

1003
00:46:23,923 --> 00:46:24,243
Fuck it.

1004
00:46:24,253 --> 00:46:24,943
We're going live.

1005
00:46:25,003 --> 00:46:25,713
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1006
00:46:26,843 --> 00:46:28,613
You know, just to circle back to what we were saying before.

1007
00:46:28,623 --> 00:46:29,623
Bill O'Reilly quote.

1008
00:46:30,253 --> 00:46:31,753
About, about,

1009
00:46:35,133 --> 00:46:40,153
you know, I approach life in a nonsensical way.

1010
00:46:41,618 --> 00:46:42,188
No shit.

1011
00:46:45,978 --> 00:46:51,728
I feel as a human being that I've been indoctrinated into what

1012
00:46:51,728 --> 00:46:53,828
it means to be a human being.

1013
00:46:54,178 --> 00:46:54,478
Yeah.

1014
00:46:54,638 --> 00:46:57,878
And I saw that in my, in my twenties.

1015
00:46:57,888 --> 00:46:59,458
That's actually why I left medicine.

1016
00:46:59,778 --> 00:47:03,848
I remember the day, I was standing in front of my mirror, pushing my tie up.

1017
00:47:04,248 --> 00:47:06,578
And I just thought, this is, this is ridiculous.

1018
00:47:06,858 --> 00:47:07,388
This is bullshit.

1019
00:47:07,868 --> 00:47:10,728
I'm going to go in here, I'm going to see some patients, I'm going to put

1020
00:47:10,728 --> 00:47:15,918
some scrubs on, go into the theater, uh, surgical room, and then I'm going

1021
00:47:15,918 --> 00:47:19,118
to put my suit back on, come home and put my fucking comfy clothes on.

1022
00:47:19,728 --> 00:47:22,428
Why am I not wearing my comfy clothes all the time?

1023
00:47:22,908 --> 00:47:29,448
And then that begged the question, why are we, as humans, like, go to

1024
00:47:29,448 --> 00:47:33,698
school, learn this, go to college, get a job, get a mortgage, get married?

1025
00:47:34,833 --> 00:47:37,133
There's got to be something more to being human, right?

1026
00:47:37,833 --> 00:47:41,683
And when I started looking for what that was, I quit medicine immediately.

1027
00:47:41,703 --> 00:47:42,185
And I was like...

1028
00:47:42,185 --> 00:47:42,513
So you were a

1029
00:47:42,513 --> 00:47:43,113
surgeon?

1030
00:47:43,333 --> 00:47:43,793
Yeah.

1031
00:47:44,123 --> 00:47:45,113
What kind of surgeon?

1032
00:47:45,113 --> 00:47:46,363
The proctologist?

1033
00:47:46,773 --> 00:47:47,663
You'd like that, wouldn't you?

1034
00:47:48,463 --> 00:47:51,693
I was the biggest shitcoin surgeon ever.

1035
00:47:51,693 --> 00:47:52,943
I was a hair transplant

1036
00:47:53,013 --> 00:47:53,533
surgeon.

1037
00:47:53,853 --> 00:47:55,593
Hair transplant surgeon, all right.

1038
00:47:57,483 --> 00:48:00,373
Um, but I had this moment where I looked and it's like, what

1039
00:48:00,373 --> 00:48:02,783
did the, uh, ancients say?

1040
00:48:02,793 --> 00:48:05,393
Where do, where do we find, like, we see it in the temple of Delphi,

1041
00:48:05,393 --> 00:48:09,433
noseti ipsum, know thyself, and you find that phraseology everywhere,

1042
00:48:09,433 --> 00:48:10,573
know yourself, know yourself.

1043
00:48:10,853 --> 00:48:12,373
And when I looked around, I'm like...

1044
00:48:14,473 --> 00:48:17,643
To use the recent catchphrase, these motherfuckers right here are not

1045
00:48:17,643 --> 00:48:20,663
real, they are not knowing themselves.

1046
00:48:21,043 --> 00:48:24,083
I mean, not to be judgmental, but I was, I was like, I don't

1047
00:48:24,083 --> 00:48:25,603
want to go down that path.

1048
00:48:26,243 --> 00:48:34,728
And I made a promise to myself, I said, When I left, the exact amount

1049
00:48:34,728 --> 00:48:39,108
of time that I've listened to other people, I'm going to do exactly

1050
00:48:39,108 --> 00:48:41,458
and only what I want to do in life.

1051
00:48:41,808 --> 00:48:49,728
And that my North Star is going to be, I just want to know who I am, what this is.

1052
00:48:49,898 --> 00:48:54,628
I don't, I'm not opposed to having marriage and children and all that.

1053
00:48:55,393 --> 00:48:59,053
I mean, I, I gave that up with some wonderful partners

1054
00:48:59,053 --> 00:49:00,703
to, to follow this path.

1055
00:49:00,703 --> 00:49:08,003
So there was, there's a lot of sacrifice there to follow that, to understand

1056
00:49:08,003 --> 00:49:10,343
better who I am and what this is.

1057
00:49:10,733 --> 00:49:15,043
I guess that's why I lean on the experimental, the experiential

1058
00:49:15,043 --> 00:49:18,463
bro science, because I've lived it and I did it for 26

1059
00:49:18,463 --> 00:49:19,183
years.

1060
00:49:19,863 --> 00:49:21,723
I can see you're getting emotional about this

1061
00:49:21,723 --> 00:49:22,083
stuff.

1062
00:49:22,113 --> 00:49:22,233
Yeah.

1063
00:49:22,353 --> 00:49:22,773
Beautiful.

1064
00:49:22,773 --> 00:49:24,063
Yeah, very, very much so.

1065
00:49:24,063 --> 00:49:27,693
Because, um, I mean, what are we here for?

1066
00:49:27,693 --> 00:49:28,563
If, if we don't.

1067
00:49:29,388 --> 00:49:30,738
Understand who we are.

1068
00:49:30,748 --> 00:49:31,608
For the lulz, we're here for the lulz.

1069
00:49:31,608 --> 00:49:35,698
We could be, we could be here for the lulz, but I really deeply think life

1070
00:49:35,698 --> 00:49:39,468
is a mystery and it's not meant to be solved, it's just meant to be lived.

1071
00:49:39,488 --> 00:49:40,158
Yeah, yeah.

1072
00:49:40,258 --> 00:49:42,018
And your mystery is different than mine.

1073
00:49:42,068 --> 00:49:42,378
Yeah.

1074
00:49:42,638 --> 00:49:48,888
What I've tried to do in, in that pathway is constantly get out of my own way.

1075
00:49:50,498 --> 00:49:51,398
What are my beliefs?

1076
00:49:51,748 --> 00:49:52,878
How do I drop them?

1077
00:49:53,348 --> 00:49:56,308
How do I get to a place of, I don't know.

1078
00:49:57,408 --> 00:49:59,108
And I'm cool with not knowing.

1079
00:49:59,368 --> 00:50:00,898
That's so crucial, I think.

1080
00:50:00,968 --> 00:50:05,288
Like, I think people in general have, uh, a lot of people have

1081
00:50:05,288 --> 00:50:07,918
this urge to have answers to stuff.

1082
00:50:07,948 --> 00:50:12,658
Like, that's why people become religious, that's why they trust the science, and

1083
00:50:12,778 --> 00:50:14,918
like, that's why they trust governments.

1084
00:50:15,968 --> 00:50:20,118
Authority in general is because they, they have this urge for free lunch.

1085
00:50:21,038 --> 00:50:24,078
They, they, they want there to be an answer to everything

1086
00:50:24,128 --> 00:50:28,918
and, uh, and to some, some deep questions that they find troubling.

1087
00:50:29,998 --> 00:50:33,968
And they, they, like, if you can find a way to live with.

1088
00:50:34,568 --> 00:50:39,278
The knowledge that you don't know, and I think life becomes way easier.

1089
00:50:39,498 --> 00:50:39,888
Yeah.

1090
00:50:40,408 --> 00:50:41,108
Heaps easier.

1091
00:50:41,158 --> 00:50:42,818
And you know, another thing I thought of?

1092
00:50:43,078 --> 00:50:43,378
What?

1093
00:50:43,448 --> 00:50:47,588
You know what I, what I would call, you know, leaving hair transplant

1094
00:50:47,598 --> 00:50:50,168
surgery for soul searching?

1095
00:50:50,708 --> 00:50:50,878
What?

1096
00:50:51,688 --> 00:50:52,578
A bald move.

1097
00:51:00,378 --> 00:51:00,848
Sorry.

1098
00:51:02,128 --> 00:51:05,568
You're so good at these things, these little quips, you know that, right?

1099
00:51:06,753 --> 00:51:08,223
I've been standing with you before.

1100
00:51:08,223 --> 00:51:08,323
It's not a

1101
00:51:08,323 --> 00:51:08,943
quip, I'm being

1102
00:51:08,943 --> 00:51:09,463
sincere.

1103
00:51:10,773 --> 00:51:11,123
It is a

1104
00:51:11,123 --> 00:51:11,643
bald move.

1105
00:51:13,123 --> 00:51:14,393
It's definitely a bald move.

1106
00:51:15,243 --> 00:51:15,883
Toupee.

1107
00:51:24,543 --> 00:51:25,453
That was my journey.

1108
00:51:25,453 --> 00:51:29,558
That, that's what, um, and that journey as well, if you will.

1109
00:51:30,468 --> 00:51:37,928
Like sent me down the, the rabbit hole of understanding this whole thing is a game.

1110
00:51:37,988 --> 00:51:39,518
This whole thing is a racket.

1111
00:51:40,228 --> 00:51:48,008
They, uh, I, I, in 2002, 2003, 2004, I was going deep down the

1112
00:51:48,038 --> 00:51:49,418
Federal Reserve rabbit hole.

1113
00:51:49,478 --> 00:51:49,628
Mm-hmm.

1114
00:51:49,958 --> 00:51:52,618
and knew what the game was.

1115
00:51:52,678 --> 00:51:56,838
I had felt it as debt, being a debt slave, but I didn't know

1116
00:51:56,838 --> 00:51:58,308
how it started or what it meant.

1117
00:51:58,368 --> 00:52:02,508
And then when I understood what it meant, I was searching

1118
00:52:04,048 --> 00:52:06,218
for something like Bitcoin.

1119
00:52:06,248 --> 00:52:06,758
Were you ever

1120
00:52:06,758 --> 00:52:07,418
depressed?

1121
00:52:08,408 --> 00:52:14,658
Yeah, it um, it takes its toll because I remember my, I mean, I don't know

1122
00:52:14,748 --> 00:52:17,098
if depression is a word, right?

1123
00:52:17,338 --> 00:52:17,608
Mm hmm.

1124
00:52:17,628 --> 00:52:25,728
I just know that hurt, hurt, because I understood things about the world and

1125
00:52:25,848 --> 00:52:29,918
when I would try to talk to people about that, my best friends, they're like...

1126
00:52:30,843 --> 00:52:31,643
Ah, Izzy.

1127
00:52:33,043 --> 00:52:35,523
And I'm like, no, this is a racket, you live in a racket.

1128
00:52:37,613 --> 00:52:41,553
How can you prop up this racket with your, with your choices every day?

1129
00:52:41,833 --> 00:52:45,453
You, you're a consumer, you're, you're, you're propping up the

1130
00:52:45,453 --> 00:52:49,993
very thing that inside rips your soul apart and you fucking know it.

1131
00:52:50,853 --> 00:52:53,993
And I got to a point, you asked me if it was depressing, I got to a point

1132
00:52:53,993 --> 00:52:56,303
where I made a couple of choices.

1133
00:52:56,333 --> 00:52:57,013
One was.

1134
00:52:57,578 --> 00:52:59,438
I am not going to buy anything.

1135
00:52:59,698 --> 00:53:04,138
I'm not going to trade my life energy by something for someone that I wouldn't

1136
00:53:04,138 --> 00:53:05,718
sit down for Sunday dinner with.

1137
00:53:06,288 --> 00:53:08,718
And that's a really difficult choice because all of a

1138
00:53:08,718 --> 00:53:10,068
sudden you can't buy anywhere.

1139
00:53:10,708 --> 00:53:13,388
You don't want to go to the big conglomerate stores because when

1140
00:53:13,388 --> 00:53:18,598
you research them, they don't hold the same ethos that I have, but it

1141
00:53:18,598 --> 00:53:20,268
brought me back to farmer's markets.

1142
00:53:20,268 --> 00:53:23,178
It brought me back from buying my milk directly from farmers.

1143
00:53:23,178 --> 00:53:25,618
And it was hard.

1144
00:53:25,618 --> 00:53:26,038
Yeah.

1145
00:53:26,798 --> 00:53:31,558
And, and I guess at times like, oh, you left this great career

1146
00:53:31,558 --> 00:53:33,068
and then I had a career in film.

1147
00:53:33,068 --> 00:53:34,428
You left that great career.

1148
00:53:34,988 --> 00:53:39,108
It was like, what, is there something wrong with me?

1149
00:53:39,468 --> 00:53:41,488
Why am I walking away from this stuff?

1150
00:53:41,538 --> 00:53:45,578
But I knew that there was something more out there and I had to find it.

1151
00:55:54,125 --> 00:55:58,395
was there a specific moment when Bitcoin clicked for you, like, I guess,

1152
00:55:58,435 --> 00:56:04,165
having researched the Federal Reserve and stuff, like, uh, that contributed

1153
00:56:04,175 --> 00:56:08,245
to you finding Bitcoin at a quite early point, like, is there a specific

1154
00:56:08,245 --> 00:56:10,705
moment of clarity that you remember?

1155
00:56:10,745 --> 00:56:11,575
The abstract.

1156
00:56:12,885 --> 00:56:13,475
The paper.

1157
00:56:14,655 --> 00:56:15,865
Yep, 2010.

1158
00:56:16,395 --> 00:56:19,335
I, um, actually it was in the title.

1159
00:56:19,365 --> 00:56:20,555
I remember reading the title.

1160
00:56:20,555 --> 00:56:25,895
Thank you, uh, Trace Mayer, Trace Mayer, for, um, I know you brought

1161
00:56:25,925 --> 00:56:29,755
us Mimble Wimble, which is really fucking weird, but, um, thank you for

1162
00:56:29,785 --> 00:56:31,285
pointing me in the direction of, of

1163
00:56:31,325 --> 00:56:31,825
Bitcoin.

1164
00:56:32,135 --> 00:56:33,515
There's no Trace of Trace anymore.

1165
00:56:33,655 --> 00:56:35,685
No, and you know, he said that early.

1166
00:56:35,685 --> 00:56:36,685
Yeah, I know, I know.

1167
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:39,270
That was a, that's a bald move.

1168
00:56:39,300 --> 00:56:39,720
Poof!

1169
00:56:40,690 --> 00:56:41,150
Bald move.

1170
00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:41,970
Um,

1171
00:56:42,730 --> 00:56:43,000
I, I,

1172
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:48,460
I, I, I remember sitting at my, at my old antique wooden desk overlooking the bay.

1173
00:56:48,460 --> 00:56:49,100
And it was like.

1174
00:56:50,315 --> 00:56:56,605
Bitcoin, a peer to peer electronic cash system, and I was like, Bitcoin,

1175
00:56:56,795 --> 00:56:58,615
I've never heard that word before.

1176
00:56:58,635 --> 00:56:59,305
What is Bitcoin?

1177
00:56:59,455 --> 00:57:03,455
And it just, it, I had this feeling like, wow, this is so new.

1178
00:57:04,295 --> 00:57:07,265
And then a peer to peer is like, boom, you had me at hello.

1179
00:57:07,695 --> 00:57:08,095
I get it.

1180
00:57:08,215 --> 00:57:08,525
I understand.

1181
00:57:09,085 --> 00:57:09,935
I'm a torrenter.

1182
00:57:10,655 --> 00:57:11,215
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1183
00:57:11,215 --> 00:57:13,465
Demonoid piracy way back, right?

1184
00:57:13,465 --> 00:57:15,235
And I understood you cannot shut that down.

1185
00:57:15,615 --> 00:57:18,825
Electronic cash system, that's what I was looking for.

1186
00:57:19,665 --> 00:57:22,345
Because I knew that we lived in a corrupt world.

1187
00:57:22,695 --> 00:57:25,185
And so when you asked me, was there a moment that that

1188
00:57:25,195 --> 00:57:29,045
happened, it was the abstract.

1189
00:57:29,045 --> 00:57:31,805
When I read the abstract, I felt...

1190
00:57:32,300 --> 00:57:38,800
If I hadn't read the paper yet, but I read the abstract and I felt if this

1191
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:44,410
thing, what I'm reading can accomplish what it said in that short paragraph,

1192
00:57:44,940 --> 00:57:47,090
this is going to change everything.

1193
00:57:47,780 --> 00:57:49,320
It's going to change what we think about.

1194
00:57:49,965 --> 00:57:52,875
Um, life because everything is transactional.

1195
00:57:52,875 --> 00:57:56,325
It's going to change how we feel about energy because it's going to

1196
00:57:56,325 --> 00:58:00,635
redefine what energy means to us, how we extract it, how we create it.

1197
00:58:01,215 --> 00:58:04,735
And so for me, that was the moment of holy shit.

1198
00:58:05,065 --> 00:58:08,295
But then I read the white paper and I realized I am such an idiot.

1199
00:58:08,595 --> 00:58:10,505
I don't understand any of this math.

1200
00:58:10,505 --> 00:58:12,135
I don't understand any of this.

1201
00:58:12,980 --> 00:58:17,420
But circling, just, just circling back to what we said before about leading a

1202
00:58:17,420 --> 00:58:22,440
nonsensical life, my dear mother, who's still my best friend on the earth to this

1203
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:29,370
day, like best friend of all, she taught my sister and I, trust your gut always,

1204
00:58:29,410 --> 00:58:31,390
no matter what, trust your gut instinct.

1205
00:58:31,770 --> 00:58:35,760
And by doing that, and I suppose that's why I come at it from an experiential,

1206
00:58:35,790 --> 00:58:40,980
experimental type of science, because experiential to me is more important

1207
00:58:40,990 --> 00:58:42,890
because it's a feeling I get.

1208
00:58:42,900 --> 00:58:48,130
I've honed that in such a way that I trust it and it does

1209
00:58:48,130 --> 00:58:50,710
not lead me astray in my life.

1210
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:57,270
So when I read the abstract, I was like, yeah, wow, this is, this is what I want.

1211
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,110
This is, this is what I've been looking for.

1212
00:58:59,430 --> 00:58:59,900
Yeah.

1213
00:59:00,450 --> 00:59:04,370
But it didn't come out of the closet for a decade.

1214
00:59:04,980 --> 00:59:06,940
It was the pandemic that brought me out.

1215
00:59:06,940 --> 00:59:07,870
I got pissed off.

1216
00:59:07,970 --> 00:59:08,320
Uhhuh.

1217
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:12,650
.

1218
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:13,520
Yes.

1219
00:59:13,550 --> 00:59:19,550
And, uh, I know you have some plans for that, where that is going and uh, yeah.

1220
00:59:19,550 --> 00:59:21,380
How it's gonna evolve.

1221
00:59:21,500 --> 00:59:24,560
And could you give us the T L D R on, on that thing?

1222
00:59:24,710 --> 00:59:25,010
No.

1223
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:26,030
Okay.

1224
00:59:26,030 --> 00:59:26,450
Thank you.

1225
00:59:26,540 --> 00:59:26,660
You're

1226
00:59:26,660 --> 00:59:27,020
welcome.

1227
00:59:27,020 --> 00:59:27,710
Thanks everyone.

1228
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,800
. Um, it totally happened by happenstance.

1229
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:32,930
I went, uh, on a speaking tour.

1230
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:35,060
Like I said, the pandemic really pissed me off.

1231
00:59:35,605 --> 00:59:38,725
I just felt like, why am I hiding?

1232
00:59:39,035 --> 00:59:40,125
I'm not Satoshi.

1233
00:59:41,235 --> 00:59:42,965
I mean, uh, aren't you?

1234
00:59:43,805 --> 00:59:44,415
Definitely not.

1235
00:59:44,915 --> 00:59:47,295
Uh, we all are and I get that.

1236
00:59:47,445 --> 00:59:49,445
Um, but I just thought, why am I hiding?

1237
00:59:49,465 --> 00:59:52,495
Like what if I've made these sacrifices in life?

1238
00:59:52,495 --> 00:59:55,235
So why don't I put myself out there fully?

1239
00:59:55,595 --> 00:59:56,665
And it was so weird.

1240
00:59:56,795 --> 01:00:00,275
Maybe this goes back to the Joseph Campbell following your bliss because

1241
01:00:00,605 --> 01:00:02,175
you asked me if I was depressed, right?

1242
01:00:02,225 --> 01:00:02,625
Okay.

1243
01:00:03,085 --> 01:00:03,615
So.

1244
01:00:04,025 --> 01:00:07,095
The pandemic to me was an amazing experience.

1245
01:00:07,125 --> 01:00:08,905
I extracted myself from Melbourne.

1246
01:00:08,905 --> 01:00:12,225
We had this, I will answer your question about Ambarat.

1247
01:00:12,235 --> 01:00:13,095
Yeah, Melbourne was

1248
01:00:13,095 --> 01:00:13,555
horrible.

1249
01:00:13,565 --> 01:00:15,055
Like 18 months lockdown.

1250
01:00:15,065 --> 01:00:16,395
You couldn't leave your house.

1251
01:00:16,465 --> 01:00:17,765
And so I was like, fuck this.

1252
01:00:17,805 --> 01:00:18,845
I'm going to go out.

1253
01:00:18,885 --> 01:00:22,635
And, uh, it was a German guy got stuck in Australia.

1254
01:00:22,995 --> 01:00:30,045
We, um, I moved to an old warehouse, and, uh, we built a sauna, we dug gardens,

1255
01:00:30,085 --> 01:00:34,335
we sparred every single day in martial arts, like, for hours, and it was the

1256
01:00:34,335 --> 01:00:39,235
best experience ever, but I saw everyone else going through horrible, horrible,

1257
01:00:39,245 --> 01:00:43,205
they lost their businesses, couldn't leave their house, kids were suicidal,

1258
01:00:43,505 --> 01:00:48,625
and it pissed me off, I was like, everything that I thought about these

1259
01:00:48,675 --> 01:00:50,895
tyrannical powers that be is playing out.

1260
01:00:51,545 --> 01:00:55,025
And if people don't think that, if people think, oh, you know, this

1261
01:00:55,025 --> 01:00:58,965
just happened and it was about this COVID virus, wake the fuck up.

1262
01:00:59,655 --> 01:01:01,785
Have you ever seen government work together?

1263
01:01:03,075 --> 01:01:06,815
This was a perfect worldwide lockstep movement.

1264
01:01:07,765 --> 01:01:08,955
That's not happenstance.

1265
01:01:09,705 --> 01:01:13,335
And so that really upset me and I felt like, okay, I prepared for this.

1266
01:01:13,335 --> 01:01:15,105
And you asked me if I was depressed.

1267
01:01:15,115 --> 01:01:18,935
After my friend from Germany depressed, after he left, I think

1268
01:01:18,935 --> 01:01:23,065
I got depressed because I was like, I prepared for this my whole life.

1269
01:01:23,065 --> 01:01:24,715
I felt like I'm meant to fight.

1270
01:01:24,995 --> 01:01:28,295
And I wanted to go down and be on the street and fight.

1271
01:01:28,825 --> 01:01:33,465
And my mother said, don't, don't, don't, um, miss an opportunity.

1272
01:01:33,685 --> 01:01:35,925
Like you, you may not need to fight the battle.

1273
01:01:36,290 --> 01:01:39,490
You're in the war, but you have to choose your battles.

1274
01:01:40,930 --> 01:01:42,070
And I just want to go down there.

1275
01:01:42,070 --> 01:01:45,660
And she's like, I can't tell you, but be careful.

1276
01:01:45,940 --> 01:01:48,240
Had I done that, I wouldn't be the CEO of Ambrap.

1277
01:01:48,290 --> 01:01:51,880
Had I went down there and got arrested, I wouldn't be the CEO of Ambrap.

1278
01:01:52,770 --> 01:01:54,210
So did I get depressed?

1279
01:01:54,220 --> 01:01:55,160
Yeah, I think so.

1280
01:01:55,200 --> 01:02:02,860
I just started smoking copious amounts of cannabis to, to like drowned out,

1281
01:02:02,860 --> 01:02:05,985
like, I'm meant to be doing something.

1282
01:02:05,985 --> 01:02:07,345
I don't know what I'm meant to be doing.

1283
01:02:07,345 --> 01:02:10,455
How do I, like, I'm feeling useless.

1284
01:02:10,545 --> 01:02:14,695
Like, all this preparation, what, I'm just gonna not use it?

1285
01:02:15,495 --> 01:02:20,735
And then Wizard of Oz said, um, he said, uh, Izzy, I'm, I'm,

1286
01:02:20,765 --> 01:02:21,955
I'm going around the world.

1287
01:02:21,955 --> 01:02:23,315
We're gonna speak at a conference.

1288
01:02:23,315 --> 01:02:24,005
Do you want to come?

1289
01:02:24,575 --> 01:02:26,195
And I was like, okay, I'll take a shot.

1290
01:02:26,195 --> 01:02:26,665
I'll just.

1291
01:02:28,155 --> 01:02:31,875
Because for a decade I never wanted anyone to know I was a Bitcoiner, other than my

1292
01:02:31,875 --> 01:02:35,325
family and friends wanted to stay private.

1293
01:02:36,125 --> 01:02:40,575
And then when I stepped out, started speaking, that was my bliss.

1294
01:02:41,105 --> 01:02:44,475
And you sort of realized that we are your family and friends.

1295
01:02:44,495 --> 01:02:44,895
100%,

1296
01:02:45,815 --> 01:02:46,505
100%.

1297
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:52,520
And that led me to opening up, realizing that I am an 80% er

1298
01:02:53,940 --> 01:02:57,270
and that, yeah, we're all weird.

1299
01:02:57,470 --> 01:02:57,800
We're all

1300
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:58,390
weirdos.

1301
01:02:58,440 --> 01:02:59,860
You mean ATIQ er?

1302
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:00,960
Yeah.

1303
01:03:01,830 --> 01:03:01,850
Yeah.

1304
01:03:01,930 --> 01:03:04,580
But now I'm with a bunch of weirdos.

1305
01:03:05,495 --> 01:03:07,035
And it felt right.

1306
01:03:07,105 --> 01:03:13,355
And then again, to Wizard of Oz, he said, um, Alex said, had, uh, left

1307
01:03:13,355 --> 01:03:18,025
the company that he founded, moved on to some more philosophical pursuits.

1308
01:03:18,025 --> 01:03:21,735
And, and there were some issues in his own life that he wanted to sort out.

1309
01:03:22,175 --> 01:03:25,955
This thing has opened up and, um, do you, do you want to run it?

1310
01:03:26,630 --> 01:03:30,700
And I said, no, not at all, you do it,

1311
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,090
I'm actually acting in film as well.

1312
01:03:36,170 --> 01:03:40,200
I fought Jackie Chan in my first film, but anyway, back to the CEO, right?

1313
01:03:40,650 --> 01:03:42,640
So, um.

1314
01:03:46,255 --> 01:03:50,525
He asked me if I wanted to do this, and I said no, because he's well suited,

1315
01:03:50,535 --> 01:03:55,485
he's a very successful man, and I really, really deeply look up to Wizard

1316
01:03:55,485 --> 01:04:01,365
of Oz, I love him so much, he's done so much for Bitcoin, and here he is

1317
01:04:01,375 --> 01:04:03,910
offering me this position to run him.

1318
01:04:04,130 --> 01:04:05,140
And exchange.

1319
01:04:06,550 --> 01:04:09,750
And secretly behind the, behind the lines, I was researching

1320
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:10,770
the hell out of this company.

1321
01:04:10,770 --> 01:04:11,560
Cause I knew about it.

1322
01:04:11,610 --> 01:04:13,030
I tried it early days.

1323
01:04:13,350 --> 01:04:15,750
I thought, wow, it's very, very easy UX.

1324
01:04:17,250 --> 01:04:18,620
And it took me about four months.

1325
01:04:18,900 --> 01:04:23,560
Um, and then I went into negotiations with the board, similar to you.

1326
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:25,880
I just said something ridiculous.

1327
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:27,750
Cause I thought they would say, get out of here.

1328
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:32,090
You can't have any of that, but they went, okay, yeah, let's do that.

1329
01:04:32,090 --> 01:04:32,790
And I was like, holy shit.

1330
01:04:32,790 --> 01:04:32,950
Okay.

1331
01:04:32,950 --> 01:04:33,820
I'm going to run this company.

1332
01:04:34,540 --> 01:04:40,210
Um, but for me, um, yeah, it's, it's the best thing that ever happened

1333
01:04:40,210 --> 01:04:43,200
in my entire life and every step that I've taken prepared me to be

1334
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:47,460
right where I am because, um, I just want to educate the entire world.

1335
01:04:47,530 --> 01:04:48,200
On Bitcoin.

1336
01:04:48,210 --> 01:04:49,600
We have an ethos in our company.

1337
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:52,510
I said it at the start, we focus on the orange glowing light.

1338
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:54,990
Anything outside of that makes no difference.

1339
01:04:55,580 --> 01:04:59,260
So the hero's journey is important to me because I've overlaid our, our

1340
01:04:59,260 --> 01:05:01,480
entire educational content around that.

1341
01:05:02,170 --> 01:05:03,850
And we've taken it from Amber app.

1342
01:05:03,850 --> 01:05:08,320
I acquired Volt Pay, uh, well, Aqua acquired it because the person who created

1343
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:13,000
it agreed to become our CTO, brought that with him, we created additional,

1344
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,960
uh, adjacent products and services.

1345
01:05:16,540 --> 01:05:18,230
And we're about to launch globally.

1346
01:05:18,660 --> 01:05:22,890
Um, and the whole mission is no matter where you are on your Bitcoin

1347
01:05:22,900 --> 01:05:24,440
heroes journey, I want to help you.

1348
01:05:24,470 --> 01:05:26,360
I want to give you some product.

1349
01:05:26,540 --> 01:05:28,200
If you're not ready for a node, that's fine.

1350
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:28,770
Where are you?

1351
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:30,710
You're ready to buy KYC.

1352
01:05:30,750 --> 01:05:31,390
I got you.

1353
01:05:31,770 --> 01:05:35,870
And I'm not the only one, like there are a lot of exchanges and brokerages out there,

1354
01:05:36,290 --> 01:05:40,420
but I want Amber app to be the place where someone can set up their Bitcoin life.

1355
01:05:41,005 --> 01:05:44,035
No matter where you are, if you're at collaborative custody,

1356
01:05:44,075 --> 01:05:46,755
great, here's TribeKey, use this.

1357
01:05:47,615 --> 01:05:51,545
If you're all the way down the line where you were never KYC, fantastic,

1358
01:05:51,545 --> 01:05:52,915
we're introducing SovereignSats.

1359
01:05:52,915 --> 01:05:56,405
So that's a peer to peer, uh, multi seq escrow.

1360
01:05:56,905 --> 01:05:59,285
I just want to help people.

1361
01:06:00,260 --> 01:06:04,840
Come to Bitcoin and understand it and be able to have the ramp to be a Bitcoiner.

1362
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:09,910
And I don't want you to hold your keys on my exchange at all, ever.

1363
01:06:10,210 --> 01:06:12,240
Like, I want you to be self sovereign.

1364
01:06:13,070 --> 01:06:16,660
So you're sort of lining it up for this, uh, we're all incentivized

1365
01:06:16,660 --> 01:06:18,740
to help one another type of thing.

1366
01:06:19,700 --> 01:06:20,450
Looking for

1367
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:21,300
collaborations.

1368
01:06:21,510 --> 01:06:22,400
Yeah, 100%.

1369
01:06:22,990 --> 01:06:27,470
Just had a little brief conversation with Roy from Breeze.

1370
01:06:28,340 --> 01:06:28,980
Big hug.

1371
01:06:29,350 --> 01:06:30,990
Big, long, weird hug, right?

1372
01:06:31,350 --> 01:06:34,440
We're just hugging one another and he goes, Wow, let's talk.

1373
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:38,500
And I'm like, yeah, let's find some sort of something that we can do together.

1374
01:06:39,790 --> 01:06:41,990
I get some ideas just listening to this.

1375
01:06:42,290 --> 01:06:42,620
Yeah?

1376
01:06:43,010 --> 01:06:43,370
Yeah.

1377
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,240
What do you feel?

1378
01:06:46,340 --> 01:06:48,160
I feel that we're on the same mission.

1379
01:06:49,470 --> 01:06:54,020
Uh, like that's what, you know, I've been ranting about it for a year

1380
01:06:54,020 --> 01:06:57,090
and a half on like where, uh, but.

1381
01:06:58,275 --> 01:07:03,975
It feels like it's this weird living the meme thing, like what I

1382
01:07:03,975 --> 01:07:08,825
experienced with, with the, um, uh, Infinity Day, for instance, it's

1383
01:07:08,825 --> 01:07:13,975
just like put an idea out there and it somehow manifests into reality.

1384
01:07:13,975 --> 01:07:19,885
And I think this we're experiencing what we, what we've set up through this show

1385
01:07:20,075 --> 01:07:23,365
for none, that that was a big part of it.

1386
01:07:23,395 --> 01:07:26,045
And like having these conversations with people and people seem to

1387
01:07:26,045 --> 01:07:27,965
tap into, I mean, I feel that.

1388
01:07:28,395 --> 01:07:32,505
Collaborative vibe even stronger this year than last year, might be

1389
01:07:32,505 --> 01:07:36,775
a bit fewer people here this year, like a hundred less than last year or

1390
01:07:36,775 --> 01:07:43,495
something, but it's still the vibe is so it's this love is in the air for

1391
01:07:43,495 --> 01:07:45,145
better or for lack of a better word.

1392
01:07:45,445 --> 01:07:46,305
You enjoying

1393
01:07:47,515 --> 01:07:47,605
it?

1394
01:07:47,605 --> 01:07:48,655
Enjoying the fuck out of it.

1395
01:07:48,675 --> 01:07:49,175
Of course.

1396
01:07:49,245 --> 01:07:49,505
Yeah.

1397
01:07:50,725 --> 01:07:50,845
You

1398
01:07:50,845 --> 01:07:51,295
enjoying it?

1399
01:07:52,425 --> 01:07:52,785
Oh, yeah.

1400
01:07:52,785 --> 01:07:56,295
This whole thing is so surreal because I, I mean, I, I got into Bitcoin

1401
01:07:56,295 --> 01:08:00,735
only a couple of years ago and last year's Riga was my coming out into

1402
01:08:00,885 --> 01:08:03,375
Bitcoin and, uh, I, I had no idea.

1403
01:08:03,375 --> 01:08:09,015
I arrived in, in Riga, uh, I k Newton and I, we'd done our first episode, maybe

1404
01:08:09,015 --> 01:08:11,545
two of the, of the pod at Consensus.

1405
01:08:11,815 --> 01:08:12,105
Yeah.

1406
01:08:12,110 --> 01:08:12,315
Yeah.

1407
01:08:12,315 --> 01:08:15,285
And, and, and so we, we had done those before Riga, but we,

1408
01:08:15,345 --> 01:08:16,845
we, we didn't know each other.

1409
01:08:17,210 --> 01:08:20,070
Yeah, no, we were, we were working together a little bit, but we didn't know

1410
01:08:20,070 --> 01:08:24,720
each other yet, but, but, well, we got to know each other and it all started

1411
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:29,290
and, and, and suddenly we're, we're just, uh, doing this crazy, insane thing.

1412
01:08:29,290 --> 01:08:33,230
And, and, you know, back last year, you were one of the people who made the

1413
01:08:33,230 --> 01:08:37,630
biggest impression on me just, and, and you looked a lot different down to there.

1414
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:40,760
Yeah, pre CEO days.

1415
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:42,990
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1416
01:08:42,990 --> 01:08:46,150
But, but, but then, and then a year later.

1417
01:08:46,285 --> 01:08:49,855
You know, next time seeing you in person, it's just like the instant

1418
01:08:49,855 --> 01:08:52,095
connection is still absolutely there.

1419
01:08:52,095 --> 01:08:57,645
And, and we all go off, we all go off into our own little corners

1420
01:08:57,645 --> 01:08:59,435
of the world and we do what we do.

1421
01:08:59,535 --> 01:08:59,945
Right.

1422
01:09:00,865 --> 01:09:03,335
Then we all come back and see one another.

1423
01:09:03,335 --> 01:09:06,815
And I mean, I think that's the best part of these conferences is just to,

1424
01:09:07,245 --> 01:09:09,965
to build the connections and grow it.

1425
01:09:09,965 --> 01:09:10,945
And it's amazing.

1426
01:09:10,945 --> 01:09:11,405
We have.

1427
01:09:12,230 --> 01:09:15,190
Zoom, and all of these communication tools.

1428
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:16,120
Orange Pill App.

1429
01:09:16,310 --> 01:09:16,990
Orange Pill App.

1430
01:09:17,110 --> 01:09:17,520
Yeah.

1431
01:09:17,710 --> 01:09:19,680
Shout out to Orange Pill App.

1432
01:09:19,690 --> 01:09:21,350
Mateo, Brian, and shout out.

1433
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:21,590
That's

1434
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:22,770
massive.

1435
01:09:22,810 --> 01:09:23,260
Yeah.

1436
01:09:23,330 --> 01:09:28,630
And how, how it connects all this, uh, like the, the, the Satoshi Rakamoto

1437
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:31,190
is, is the, the, um, Noster party here.

1438
01:09:31,190 --> 01:09:32,730
They're the, they're the same entity now.

1439
01:09:32,730 --> 01:09:33,130
Like.

1440
01:09:33,210 --> 01:09:34,040
Yeah.

1441
01:09:34,765 --> 01:09:37,675
And, and, and then, so it's, it's great that we have the, the tools to

1442
01:09:37,675 --> 01:09:41,155
stay, to stay connected over, over the internet and everything, but

1443
01:09:41,245 --> 01:09:47,575
being able to come here, uh, anywhere, be in the same physical place, hug

1444
01:09:47,755 --> 01:09:50,305
and, and keep that connection going.

1445
01:09:50,305 --> 01:09:51,625
I mean, that, it's, it's amazing.

1446
01:09:51,630 --> 01:09:52,705
So I, I'm loving it.

1447
01:09:52,705 --> 01:09:56,215
And, and the Bitcoin community has been amazing to me in a, in this last year.

1448
01:09:56,215 --> 01:10:00,045
And, and I'm just, Trying to give back the way I can.

1449
01:10:00,065 --> 01:10:06,565
I think that making this show is the best way to use my skill set right now.

1450
01:10:06,755 --> 01:10:10,835
Maybe I'll start doing some more things, but I love this show.

1451
01:10:11,225 --> 01:10:15,475
So yeah, this is, this is like, I'm living the dream right now, brother.

1452
01:10:16,100 --> 01:10:16,420
Well,

1453
01:10:16,590 --> 01:10:17,980
it's proof of work as well.

1454
01:10:17,980 --> 01:10:21,140
You're one of the hardest Bitcoin, or not.

1455
01:10:22,060 --> 01:10:22,340
What?

1456
01:10:22,940 --> 01:10:23,440
Well, you are.

1457
01:10:23,440 --> 01:10:25,700
I mean, uh, it takes a lot to produce a show.

1458
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:26,670
People don't realize that.

1459
01:10:26,670 --> 01:10:26,700
It

1460
01:10:26,750 --> 01:10:27,070
takes a lot.

1461
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:30,910
Yeah, and when he has a fiat job as well, it's the, yeah, that's what, that

1462
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:32,820
might be what makes it the hardest.

1463
01:10:34,610 --> 01:10:38,680
I would say he's the, uh, uh, definitely the, uh, hardest

1464
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:40,420
working Canadian Finn in Bitcoin.

1465
01:10:43,300 --> 01:10:44,410
I'll probably take that.

1466
01:10:45,430 --> 01:10:48,340
Well, I know about production and it takes a lot, man.

1467
01:10:48,590 --> 01:10:48,870
And,

1468
01:10:48,870 --> 01:10:50,820
and you, but the tools are getting better.

1469
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:51,850
So, yeah.

1470
01:10:52,020 --> 01:10:53,760
No, not to degrade you in any sense.

1471
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:54,300
No, no,

1472
01:10:54,300 --> 01:10:55,740
no, pretty soon we won't need you.

1473
01:10:55,820 --> 01:10:55,990
No,

1474
01:10:55,990 --> 01:10:57,130
pretty soon, no, no.

1475
01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:57,980
But, but, you know.

1476
01:11:00,290 --> 01:11:02,170
Some guy I used to know.

1477
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:08,970
No, but that's, that's when, um, I mean, Luke is already being a

1478
01:11:08,980 --> 01:11:12,100
bigger and bigger part of the show as, as far as the content goes.

1479
01:11:12,100 --> 01:11:14,225
And like we're in the beginning, you were just.

1480
01:11:14,375 --> 01:11:15,025
That's the sidekick.

1481
01:11:15,025 --> 01:11:16,245
And now we're equals.

1482
01:11:16,755 --> 01:11:17,305
Yeah, yeah.

1483
01:11:17,305 --> 01:11:22,595
Like, like, I still stay a little bit more in the, the background, but, uh, you know.

1484
01:11:23,525 --> 01:11:25,375
You can come and sit in my lap if you want.

1485
01:11:25,885 --> 01:11:25,925
Oh, okay.

1486
01:11:26,775 --> 01:11:27,785
You can be in the foreground.

1487
01:11:27,785 --> 01:11:27,925
Can

1488
01:11:27,925 --> 01:11:28,975
I sit on your laptop?

1489
01:11:32,095 --> 01:11:33,155
So we had...

1490
01:11:33,310 --> 01:11:35,530
In Australia, what we call is a DNM.

1491
01:11:36,340 --> 01:11:36,850
Okay.

1492
01:11:37,530 --> 01:11:40,830
You and I had a DNM yesterday.

1493
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:42,230
It's a deep and meaningful.

1494
01:11:42,610 --> 01:11:47,940
It's when you opened up about your love of your life and what it meant to live

1495
01:11:47,940 --> 01:11:49,520
where you are and everything like that.

1496
01:11:50,440 --> 01:11:52,790
That's, to me, is a beautiful thing.

1497
01:11:53,475 --> 01:11:57,455
To be able to, and I find it more and more and more with Bitcoiners.

1498
01:11:58,025 --> 01:12:02,835
You go to these, uh, I guess you could say social normie events and

1499
01:12:02,835 --> 01:12:06,725
people are like, oh, hi, uh, Knut, uh, what do you do for a living?

1500
01:12:06,885 --> 01:12:07,285
Really?

1501
01:12:07,355 --> 01:12:08,395
Uh, what car do you drive?

1502
01:12:08,655 --> 01:12:10,715
How big's your penis?

1503
01:12:10,715 --> 01:12:11,405
All this weird shit, right?

1504
01:12:11,860 --> 01:12:16,300
Whereas a bitcoiner will literally, what kind of party were you at?

1505
01:12:17,850 --> 01:12:18,580
They will have a look

1506
01:12:18,580 --> 01:12:19,570
at your penis instead.

1507
01:12:19,980 --> 01:12:20,090
Oh,

1508
01:12:20,620 --> 01:12:26,030
by the way, for anyone that knows, I had a weird moment in the bathroom yesterday.

1509
01:12:26,030 --> 01:12:26,500
No, you didn't.

1510
01:12:26,500 --> 01:12:27,150
No, I did.

1511
01:12:27,150 --> 01:12:27,960
I did for two reasons.

1512
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:29,110
Cut this part out.

1513
01:12:29,130 --> 01:12:29,600
No, you can't.

1514
01:12:30,690 --> 01:12:32,685
This is what people want to see.

1515
01:12:32,785 --> 01:12:36,335
So there's a great, um, who put it up there?

1516
01:12:36,335 --> 01:12:37,855
It would have been Max Hillebrand's company.

1517
01:12:38,255 --> 01:12:38,535
Yeah.

1518
01:12:38,555 --> 01:12:39,265
The sticker.

1519
01:12:39,265 --> 01:12:39,505
They had

1520
01:12:39,765 --> 01:12:40,645
it in Prague as well.

1521
01:12:40,655 --> 01:12:41,875
That's a great ad for.

1522
01:12:43,125 --> 01:12:45,805
And so I'm going to the bathroom and of course, being a guy,

1523
01:12:45,805 --> 01:12:48,955
you're holding your business and you're like, you read the sign.

1524
01:12:48,955 --> 01:12:50,835
This is what it feels like to hold Bitcoin.

1525
01:12:50,835 --> 01:12:51,215
And I'm like.

1526
01:12:52,595 --> 01:12:52,975
Does it?

1527
01:12:53,015 --> 01:12:55,585
Is that what it feels like?

1528
01:12:55,585 --> 01:12:56,885
I mean, wow.

1529
01:12:57,205 --> 01:12:59,475
And then out of nowhere, Knut just comes around.

1530
01:13:03,545 --> 01:13:08,085
But when you look in the eyes of a Bitcoiner, I think we open up because

1531
01:13:08,255 --> 01:13:12,005
we see the proof of work and we're like, I already trust this person.

1532
01:13:12,975 --> 01:13:18,135
Yeah, been through it, you understand, whereas if somebody's wearing a mask

1533
01:13:18,205 --> 01:13:19,595
and they're just like, what do you do?

1534
01:13:19,605 --> 01:13:20,535
How's your job?

1535
01:13:20,545 --> 01:13:21,835
Where did you get that suit?

1536
01:13:21,875 --> 01:13:22,435
Blah, blah, blah.

1537
01:13:22,435 --> 01:13:27,225
You're like, no, it doesn't mean anything to me what we're talking about.

1538
01:13:28,295 --> 01:13:34,085
Isn't it wonderful to just drop all the masks we're wearing, like, and

1539
01:13:34,085 --> 01:13:38,885
just be yourself because you can, like, and then you realize that

1540
01:13:38,885 --> 01:13:40,695
people respect you more and not less.

1541
01:13:40,715 --> 01:13:41,065
Yep.

1542
01:13:41,660 --> 01:13:46,350
Like, just be who the fuck you are, like, wake up every morning, be yourself, it's

1543
01:13:46,660 --> 01:13:52,510
wonderful, like, and you can't really do that in Fiat, because there are, I

1544
01:13:52,510 --> 01:13:59,430
mean, there are social codexes in every community, and like, but, but having a

1545
01:13:59,430 --> 01:14:05,010
leveled playing field where there is no, like, Fiat feudalism, if you will, to

1546
01:14:05,540 --> 01:14:13,865
play into, Uh, there's no, like, people respect you for your ideas and what

1547
01:14:13,865 --> 01:14:16,585
you do rather than like what kind of

1548
01:14:16,585 --> 01:14:17,355
shirt you're wearing.

1549
01:14:18,595 --> 01:14:21,565
There's a difference in that, what'd you call it, fiat feudalism.

1550
01:14:21,615 --> 01:14:22,015
Yeah.

1551
01:14:22,275 --> 01:14:25,805
So in that fiat feudalism, everyone should be equal.

1552
01:14:26,175 --> 01:14:27,375
Cause that's part of the...

1553
01:14:27,435 --> 01:14:27,935
Yeah.

1554
01:14:28,085 --> 01:14:29,345
Well, no, we're not equal.

1555
01:14:29,405 --> 01:14:29,835
No.

1556
01:14:30,185 --> 01:14:31,815
Put me next to LeBron James.

1557
01:14:31,925 --> 01:14:33,285
We're not equal at all, right?

1558
01:14:33,295 --> 01:14:33,615
No.

1559
01:14:34,565 --> 01:14:36,325
If we're all equal, there's no trade.

1560
01:14:36,585 --> 01:14:37,115
That's it.

1561
01:14:37,405 --> 01:14:38,835
There's no, there's nothing.

1562
01:14:39,650 --> 01:14:39,930
And

1563
01:14:40,090 --> 01:14:42,010
what about the expression of uniqueness?

1564
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:42,920
We're unique, right?

1565
01:14:42,930 --> 01:14:43,300
Yeah, yeah.

1566
01:14:43,350 --> 01:14:45,230
And Bitcoiners honor uniqueness.

1567
01:14:45,510 --> 01:14:45,930
Yeah.

1568
01:14:46,130 --> 01:14:47,090
And I love that.

1569
01:14:47,190 --> 01:14:48,670
I love that in this community.

1570
01:14:49,090 --> 01:14:53,370
But it's, it's 100 percent equality of opportunity and 0

1571
01:14:53,370 --> 01:14:54,690
percent equality of outcome.

1572
01:14:55,090 --> 01:14:55,460
Yeah.

1573
01:14:56,820 --> 01:15:00,820
Do you remember the Satoshi Skull that Greenpeace commissioned that artist?

1574
01:15:00,860 --> 01:15:01,290
Of course.

1575
01:15:01,310 --> 01:15:07,050
I had a pin, uh, a Satoshi Skull pin on my, the hat I bought in, in Sydney.

1576
01:15:07,050 --> 01:15:09,260
You remember the shark toothed Chinese?

1577
01:15:09,490 --> 01:15:09,800
Yeah.

1578
01:15:10,550 --> 01:15:11,980
Don't you need to start calling you Mr.

1579
01:15:11,980 --> 01:15:12,690
Hat, by the way.

1580
01:15:12,790 --> 01:15:13,090
Yeah.

1581
01:15:13,630 --> 01:15:16,090
I think they have for quite a few years.

1582
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:17,240
Yeah.

1583
01:15:17,530 --> 01:15:19,780
But it's one of the rare times you're not wearing a hat.

1584
01:15:19,990 --> 01:15:24,470
But with that skull, that epitomizes exactly what you're talking about.

1585
01:15:24,470 --> 01:15:29,410
So Greenpeace thought, Oh, we're gonna wax these Bitcoiners and we're

1586
01:15:29,410 --> 01:15:30,880
gonna get this artist to do it.

1587
01:15:31,170 --> 01:15:32,380
And what did Bitcoiners do?

1588
01:15:33,440 --> 01:15:34,920
Wow, check out that skull.

1589
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:36,100
That's a fucking cool skull.

1590
01:15:36,100 --> 01:15:37,710
They're calling it Satoshi's skull.

1591
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:38,510
Yeah, yeah.

1592
01:15:38,550 --> 01:15:39,430
We owned it.

1593
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:39,820
Yeah.

1594
01:15:40,845 --> 01:15:47,235
It's like we absorb whatever uniqueness is out there, whether it's being

1595
01:15:47,615 --> 01:15:52,915
targeted at us as a weapon or just something that someone creates

1596
01:15:52,915 --> 01:15:54,135
and we go, yeah, it's awesome.

1597
01:15:54,305 --> 01:15:56,785
Like, I remember the meme, there was a kid looking at it

1598
01:15:56,785 --> 01:15:58,395
going, oh yeah, that's awesome.

1599
01:15:59,050 --> 01:16:00,440
Bitches love skulls.

1600
01:16:04,010 --> 01:16:05,690
Mom, please don't watch this episode.

1601
01:16:05,690 --> 01:16:06,290
I'm so sorry

1602
01:16:06,290 --> 01:16:06,960
for cursing.

1603
01:16:07,250 --> 01:16:10,960
And I saw, I saw a post today on Twitter with, uh, from a person with

1604
01:16:11,020 --> 01:16:16,720
at least 85 IQ who said like, there's, you can't fight, fight, uh, 80%,

1605
01:16:16,750 --> 01:16:19,670
you can't fight the 80 IQ people.

1606
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:23,260
And damn right, pro tip, like, you can't fight us.

1607
01:16:24,060 --> 01:16:27,370
What was that, uh, I think it was Mark Twain, Don't Argue With An Idiot.

1608
01:16:29,330 --> 01:16:33,160
And the Pratchett quote, which I love, like, real stupidity beats

1609
01:16:33,190 --> 01:16:35,580
artificial intelligence every time.

1610
01:16:36,610 --> 01:16:36,690
Yeah.

1611
01:16:36,750 --> 01:16:41,900
And to me, Bitcoin is the epitome of real stupidity.

1612
01:16:42,460 --> 01:16:46,550
It's the power of real stupidity because it's a 100 percent real.

1613
01:16:46,890 --> 01:16:48,520
Like, and that's better.

1614
01:16:49,430 --> 01:16:50,510
And what's the, what's the other quote?

1615
01:16:50,540 --> 01:16:53,490
Do you, you, you always say something, but don't, don't wrestle a pig

1616
01:16:53,500 --> 01:16:55,230
because the pig likes it or what is

1617
01:16:55,230 --> 01:16:55,250
it?

1618
01:16:55,250 --> 01:16:58,900
Because regardless of outcome, the pig wins because the only thing

1619
01:16:58,900 --> 01:17:00,410
the pig craves is the attention.

1620
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:01,180
Yeah.

1621
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:01,730
Yeah

1622
01:18:01,833 --> 01:18:01,883
up?

1623
01:18:01,883 --> 01:18:06,673
Well, tangent to that, like, are we a cult or are we leaving a cult?

1624
01:18:10,378 --> 01:18:13,718
Well, first, to really get to the bottom of that question, right, we have to

1625
01:18:13,718 --> 01:18:18,098
define what cult is, and then we have to look at who gave the definition of

1626
01:18:18,098 --> 01:18:23,278
cult, and why, to be able to answer that question if you're serious.

1627
01:18:25,248 --> 01:18:27,988
The way I see it, a cult requires a leader.

1628
01:18:28,803 --> 01:18:30,053
They're definitely not an occult

1629
01:18:30,063 --> 01:18:30,263
name.

1630
01:18:30,483 --> 01:18:32,013
No, that's the way I see it.

1631
01:18:32,503 --> 01:18:33,873
Fiat, though, is occult.

1632
01:18:33,923 --> 01:18:39,853
Like, because it requires you to believe in this thing dictated by some entity.

1633
01:18:39,893 --> 01:18:40,193
Like,

1634
01:18:41,973 --> 01:18:42,103
Fiat.

1635
01:18:42,323 --> 01:18:42,623
Yeah.

1636
01:18:43,233 --> 01:18:43,993
By decree.

1637
01:18:44,403 --> 01:18:45,113
By decree.

1638
01:18:45,163 --> 01:18:46,303
Someone had to decree it.

1639
01:18:46,523 --> 01:18:46,963
Yeah.

1640
01:18:47,023 --> 01:18:52,143
Whereas you actually gave the simplest explanation of Bitcoin I've ever heard.

1641
01:18:52,428 --> 01:18:53,378
They're so beautiful.

1642
01:18:53,978 --> 01:18:55,518
Um, I was doing a presentation.

1643
01:18:55,618 --> 01:18:55,968
We're all

1644
01:18:55,968 --> 01:18:56,718
a bunch of homos.

1645
01:19:03,008 --> 01:19:05,868
You said, um, I reached out to Gigi.

1646
01:19:05,938 --> 01:19:09,188
I reached out to Eric and some other people and I was like, I'm

1647
01:19:09,188 --> 01:19:13,328
doing this presentation, uh, just tell me what Bitcoin means to you.

1648
01:19:13,368 --> 01:19:17,168
And Knut messaged me back and he said, Izzy, don't overcomplicate it.

1649
01:19:17,428 --> 01:19:18,518
It's so simple.

1650
01:19:19,258 --> 01:19:21,688
It's just a bunch of people agreeing on a set of rules.

1651
01:19:23,953 --> 01:19:24,373
Yeah.

1652
01:19:24,413 --> 01:19:24,703
Yeah.

1653
01:19:25,683 --> 01:19:26,913
We agree to disagree.

1654
01:19:27,533 --> 01:19:27,983
Yes.

1655
01:19:28,043 --> 01:19:29,543
That's what we, that's, yeah.

1656
01:19:29,543 --> 01:19:32,453
With what we talked to tour about yesterday, that's like the,

1657
01:19:33,093 --> 01:19:34,923
that's my definition of a Bitcoin.

1658
01:19:34,923 --> 01:19:42,173
Now it's a person who deeply agrees to di disagree , because we, we

1659
01:19:42,173 --> 01:19:47,683
agree to disagree . I mean, I'll, I'll try to flesh it out a bit

1660
01:19:47,683 --> 01:19:53,913
more than that, but the consensus and the consensus mechanism, it's.

1661
01:19:54,378 --> 01:19:59,978
It's about agreeing that we, it's perfectly fine that we disagree.

1662
01:20:00,948 --> 01:20:07,148
If we don't agree to disagree, we disagree to disagree, which sort of

1663
01:20:07,208 --> 01:20:09,528
implies violence somewhere down the line.

1664
01:20:10,818 --> 01:20:14,728
Uh, agreeing to disagree is the nonviolent way.

1665
01:20:14,868 --> 01:20:17,528
It's using conversation instead of force.

1666
01:20:17,668 --> 01:20:21,818
I mean, you can't fight poverty by fighting prosperity, nor can you fight.

1667
01:20:22,178 --> 01:20:24,398
Nor can you reach world peace by force.

1668
01:20:24,808 --> 01:20:27,368
The only weapon we have is communication.

1669
01:20:28,048 --> 01:20:28,648
You can't

1670
01:20:29,418 --> 01:20:30,718
fuck for virginity.

1671
01:20:31,208 --> 01:20:32,688
You can't fuck for virginity.

1672
01:20:32,898 --> 01:20:37,958
No, no, you can't learn cooking by watching Jamie Oliver videos.

1673
01:20:41,848 --> 01:20:43,192
I think it's very fun.

1674
01:20:43,192 --> 01:20:44,038
I think it's very fun.

1675
01:20:44,908 --> 01:20:47,048
I want to put something on the table cause I've been grappling

1676
01:20:47,058 --> 01:20:49,068
with it for two concepts.

1677
01:20:49,068 --> 01:20:51,508
I've been grappling with it for a long time.

1678
01:20:53,398 --> 01:20:59,568
You guys are great to go down this, this thought process with.

1679
01:21:00,268 --> 01:21:01,408
Um, there's two things.

1680
01:21:01,418 --> 01:21:02,898
One, thank you, sir.

1681
01:21:03,058 --> 01:21:04,038
We need glasses, I think.

1682
01:21:04,168 --> 01:21:06,948
And do we, uh, maybe not.

1683
01:21:07,678 --> 01:21:08,558
So big ass beer.

1684
01:21:08,858 --> 01:21:09,018
I

1685
01:21:13,088 --> 01:21:14,178
just need to be held.

1686
01:21:15,718 --> 01:21:16,758
Um, so there's.

1687
01:21:17,788 --> 01:21:21,838
So, I actually think that, you know why I hug so much?

1688
01:21:21,868 --> 01:21:22,888
I wasn't always like that.

1689
01:21:23,328 --> 01:21:26,558
Um, a friend of mine, he's a gay poet from London.

1690
01:21:27,068 --> 01:21:31,568
Um, he always used to invade my space and, and hug me.

1691
01:21:31,568 --> 01:21:32,698
And it felt uncomfortable.

1692
01:21:32,698 --> 01:21:34,218
This was back in the late nineties.

1693
01:21:35,028 --> 01:21:39,208
And I realized, I asked him one time, I'm like, you're gay as shit.

1694
01:21:39,568 --> 01:21:42,108
And he's like, uh, yeah, but that's not why I hug you.

1695
01:21:42,338 --> 01:21:43,848
He goes, I hug you cause you need it.

1696
01:21:44,498 --> 01:21:45,238
And I was like, really?

1697
01:21:46,408 --> 01:21:48,198
And he goes, yeah, but I need it more.

1698
01:21:49,253 --> 01:21:53,593
And we became best friends and come to find out he, he didn't have

1699
01:21:53,593 --> 01:21:58,173
a father and hugging for him was something that he needed deeply.

1700
01:21:58,313 --> 01:21:58,773
Yeah.

1701
01:21:58,903 --> 01:22:04,003
And when I understood that, I was like, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm going in.

1702
01:22:04,563 --> 01:22:06,523
No matter who the person is, I'm hugging them.

1703
01:22:06,843 --> 01:22:08,323
Yeah, same for me.

1704
01:22:08,343 --> 01:22:12,483
And there's, there's a, there's a funny thing about the male hug though.

1705
01:22:12,708 --> 01:22:13,348
Because I've,

1706
01:22:13,628 --> 01:22:16,058
uh, yeah, different types of hugs and

1707
01:22:17,148 --> 01:22:21,228
it's, it's more common now than it used to be because like people who are like

1708
01:22:21,258 --> 01:22:27,008
10 years older than me, uh, or guys that are 10 years older than me, most of them

1709
01:22:27,008 --> 01:22:31,458
feel very uncomfortable with hugs because they're used to a straight up handshake

1710
01:22:31,838 --> 01:22:37,408
and like, uh, Whenever I do a handshake now, I do the, you know, white man, black

1711
01:22:37,408 --> 01:22:40,728
man, Batman thing, and then you'll tap them on the shoulder and they're like,

1712
01:22:40,938 --> 01:22:45,298
Oh, whatever Mason, Freemason handshake I can think of, like, because it's,

1713
01:22:46,008 --> 01:22:50,348
uh, it's not even unnormal anymore.

1714
01:22:50,358 --> 01:22:51,578
Like it's this bro thing.

1715
01:22:51,968 --> 01:22:54,318
And, uh, but the male hug.

1716
01:22:55,818 --> 01:22:58,758
I always find it so funny when, when you feel that the other

1717
01:22:58,758 --> 01:23:02,078
person is not used to hugs.

1718
01:23:02,308 --> 01:23:04,008
And it's usually that they're a bit old.

1719
01:23:04,548 --> 01:23:05,288
You pull them in close.

1720
01:23:05,328 --> 01:23:06,428
You do the Trump thing.

1721
01:23:07,808 --> 01:23:08,498
I grabbed him in the...

1722
01:23:10,068 --> 01:23:13,078
So do you know, just on that, do you know Australian, Indigenous

1723
01:23:13,078 --> 01:23:16,358
Australians, there were some tribes up in Northern Territory that when they

1724
01:23:16,358 --> 01:23:18,358
met, they didn't wear clothes, right?

1725
01:23:18,818 --> 01:23:21,668
And so when they met, the guys would reach out, they don't do a

1726
01:23:21,668 --> 01:23:25,588
handshake, they reach out right there and hold the other guy's penis.

1727
01:23:25,978 --> 01:23:26,598
Oh, really?

1728
01:23:26,738 --> 01:23:28,278
How bizarre is that, right?

1729
01:23:28,708 --> 01:23:30,058
I don't know why they do that.

1730
01:23:30,068 --> 01:23:31,328
Is that like a...

1731
01:23:32,578 --> 01:23:34,598
I mean, this is verifiable.

1732
01:23:34,598 --> 01:23:35,288
You can look this up.

1733
01:23:35,288 --> 01:23:36,288
I'm not making this up.

1734
01:23:36,358 --> 01:23:36,878
And it's like...

1735
01:23:39,028 --> 01:23:43,298
I suspect, though, is if that becomes the norm in the future, we're going

1736
01:23:43,298 --> 01:23:44,488
to feel slightly uncomfortable.

1737
01:23:44,488 --> 01:23:44,578
I'm

1738
01:23:44,768 --> 01:23:46,988
not saying I want to slightly uncomfortable.

1739
01:23:46,998 --> 01:23:48,428
Hey, Adam Back, how you doing, man?

1740
01:23:49,738 --> 01:23:50,648
Yeah, we good.

1741
01:23:53,978 --> 01:23:54,538
Cheers, guys.

1742
01:23:54,538 --> 01:23:55,218
Cheers.

1743
01:23:55,218 --> 01:23:55,558
Cheers.

1744
01:23:56,788 --> 01:23:58,828
Let's say if you don't look in the eyes, you have...

1745
01:24:00,033 --> 01:24:01,313
Seven years of bad sex.

1746
01:24:03,283 --> 01:24:06,713
That's probably a bit too much of bro science for my taste.

1747
01:24:10,023 --> 01:24:18,863
So I guess back in early two thousands, I started thinking, I was always

1748
01:24:18,863 --> 01:24:20,573
really worried about technology.

1749
01:24:21,348 --> 01:24:24,268
I used to go to libraries, like I, I grew up in an era where we didn't

1750
01:24:24,268 --> 01:24:25,478
have technology in our school.

1751
01:24:25,488 --> 01:24:28,578
We had the Dewey Decimal System in the card catalog.

1752
01:24:29,108 --> 01:24:30,718
Oh yeah, yeah, I know what that is.

1753
01:24:30,718 --> 01:24:31,538
You know what I mean?

1754
01:24:31,978 --> 01:24:32,238
There's no

1755
01:24:32,238 --> 01:24:32,958
computers in

1756
01:24:32,958 --> 01:24:33,368
my library.

1757
01:24:33,378 --> 01:24:39,058
I know about the Dewey Decimal System from UHF, Weird Al Jankovic movie from the 80s.

1758
01:24:39,868 --> 01:24:43,083
Because they mentioned that in a It's in a small clip, it's an

1759
01:24:43,103 --> 01:24:45,753
ad for, uh, Conan the Librarian,

1760
01:24:50,203 --> 01:24:52,543
where he says, don't you know the Dewey Desmond system and

1761
01:24:52,553 --> 01:24:54,063
chops the guy's head off.

1762
01:24:54,793 --> 01:24:54,943
He's a

1763
01:24:54,953 --> 01:24:56,253
legend, Weird Al.

1764
01:24:56,293 --> 01:24:56,773
Yeah, yeah.

1765
01:24:56,773 --> 01:24:57,193
What a legend.

1766
01:24:57,203 --> 01:24:57,583
Did you see

1767
01:24:57,583 --> 01:24:58,463
his latest movie?

1768
01:24:58,663 --> 01:24:58,763
The

1769
01:24:58,763 --> 01:24:59,783
one that was made about him?

1770
01:24:59,783 --> 01:24:59,993
Yeah.

1771
01:25:00,423 --> 01:25:01,973
I actually thought it was really good.

1772
01:25:02,043 --> 01:25:02,503
It was really good.

1773
01:25:02,503 --> 01:25:04,323
I don't see movies, but I wanted to see that.

1774
01:25:04,393 --> 01:25:07,073
I mean, that's, that's how you make a biopic.

1775
01:25:07,493 --> 01:25:07,713
Yeah.

1776
01:25:08,443 --> 01:25:08,633
Yeah.

1777
01:25:08,633 --> 01:25:09,073
I loved it.

1778
01:25:11,913 --> 01:25:14,793
So I was always a bit worried about technology.

1779
01:25:14,823 --> 01:25:18,213
Um, I first encountered it, obviously computers in, in school.

1780
01:25:18,683 --> 01:25:24,193
And, uh, maybe this was a precursor to Bitcoin because I was like, I used to put

1781
01:25:24,193 --> 01:25:28,983
on a hat and like fucking dark glasses and go into the library and sign in under

1782
01:25:28,983 --> 01:25:34,263
a different name because I thought, uh, yeah, no, this, this, this, you, this,

1783
01:25:34,263 --> 01:25:37,653
whatever I put in this box is accessible.

1784
01:25:38,383 --> 01:25:42,373
It's like a box with colored lights and it's going to be accessible to anyone.

1785
01:25:42,863 --> 01:25:45,563
And I kept that ideology of a box with colored lights.

1786
01:25:45,923 --> 01:25:50,883
Sometimes, this is going in different tangents, but we get

1787
01:25:50,913 --> 01:25:54,073
a lot of our information looking at a box with colored lights.

1788
01:25:54,853 --> 01:25:56,283
Yeah, that used to be the TV.

1789
01:25:59,263 --> 01:26:01,243
Like, be wary of...

1790
01:26:05,658 --> 01:26:09,598
But what I was going to say, I wanted to riff on is, uh, I had

1791
01:26:09,598 --> 01:26:12,128
this idea sometime in 2000s.

1792
01:26:12,168 --> 01:26:15,718
I had been toying around with computers for a little bit, trying to

1793
01:26:15,718 --> 01:26:17,318
understand, trying to play with them.

1794
01:26:17,938 --> 01:26:23,548
And I had this thought that the things that we create as, as humans.

1795
01:26:24,418 --> 01:26:26,848
The ability to communicate at distance.

1796
01:26:28,668 --> 01:26:32,308
Is this something inherent in us that lay dormant?

1797
01:26:32,868 --> 01:26:38,688
Because there are certain tribes that would talk about, um, like for

1798
01:26:38,688 --> 01:26:44,138
instance, the, the men going out on hunt, there's been lots of story around

1799
01:26:44,138 --> 01:26:48,768
this that they knew precisely when something had happened in the village.

1800
01:26:49,908 --> 01:26:52,578
They felt it viscerally, or saw it, and they went

1801
01:26:52,578 --> 01:26:52,918
back.

1802
01:26:53,128 --> 01:26:55,408
Was this because of the type of handshake they had?

1803
01:26:55,588 --> 01:26:55,978
Could be.

1804
01:26:56,408 --> 01:26:56,788
Could be.

1805
01:26:57,548 --> 01:27:00,398
But to my mother, I brought up mom a lot, mom and I, you

1806
01:27:00,398 --> 01:27:01,608
know, I said we were best mates.

1807
01:27:01,608 --> 01:27:05,968
When I was in India, and I was doing, I went very, very deep in meditation

1808
01:27:05,968 --> 01:27:07,168
for the first time in my life.

1809
01:27:07,608 --> 01:27:10,908
There was one meditation that I did which lasted three weeks.

1810
01:27:11,738 --> 01:27:16,458
And you stay silent for three weeks and the first week for three hours a

1811
01:27:16,458 --> 01:27:23,788
day, every day you laugh and you stay silent the other 21 hours, the next,

1812
01:27:24,138 --> 01:27:30,838
um, week, it's a three week process, you cry for 21, for three hours a

1813
01:27:30,838 --> 01:27:34,548
day, and then the other 21, you.

1814
01:27:35,748 --> 01:27:38,628
You just stay in silence and do your regular shit, right?

1815
01:27:39,318 --> 01:27:45,538
And the last one, you start observance, which is a, um, like Vipassana.

1816
01:27:45,618 --> 01:27:48,358
If you know what Vipassana is, it's the witnessing.

1817
01:27:49,378 --> 01:27:53,928
And it's a very interesting mechanism because I discovered that laughter

1818
01:27:53,968 --> 01:27:55,688
and tears come from the same place.

1819
01:27:56,623 --> 01:28:01,603
They actually come from sort of down deep in the belly and some of the things that

1820
01:28:01,603 --> 01:28:06,643
I was laughing about, the emotions, uh, I was also crying about the same ones.

1821
01:28:06,643 --> 01:28:07,793
I remember thinking, that's odd.

1822
01:28:07,803 --> 01:28:08,563
That's really weird.

1823
01:28:08,853 --> 01:28:13,413
But the whole thing is a mechanism to get you to deeply connect, this particular

1824
01:28:13,413 --> 01:28:20,253
process, deeply connect with yourself so you can take a step back and observe it.

1825
01:28:20,853 --> 01:28:24,053
And I begin to wonder, are there.

1826
01:28:24,693 --> 01:28:28,983
Are these technological things that we're creating, is it something

1827
01:28:28,983 --> 01:28:33,433
inherent in our system, in our ability as human that lie dormant?

1828
01:28:33,693 --> 01:28:38,413
Because when I was doing that meditation, I called mom up

1829
01:28:38,493 --> 01:28:40,583
afterwards, after the 21 days.

1830
01:28:41,708 --> 01:28:42,648
And she said,

1831
01:28:43,138 --> 01:28:45,388
why the hell are you calling from India?

1832
01:28:46,158 --> 01:28:47,198
It cost you a fortune.

1833
01:28:47,198 --> 01:28:47,828
It did back then.

1834
01:28:48,368 --> 01:28:49,238
Is that what she said?

1835
01:28:49,578 --> 01:28:50,098
Well, no,

1836
01:28:50,428 --> 01:28:52,338
she actually said I had a dream.

1837
01:28:52,918 --> 01:28:56,158
Um, and I trust my mother deeply.

1838
01:28:56,158 --> 01:28:57,738
She's very intuitive woman.

1839
01:28:58,618 --> 01:28:59,828
She said, I had a dream.

1840
01:29:00,138 --> 01:29:06,068
Um, I had silver cord, two silver cords coming out of my, my chest.

1841
01:29:06,808 --> 01:29:07,688
There were two of you.

1842
01:29:08,618 --> 01:29:13,498
And one was going to you and you were laughing and laughing and laughing.

1843
01:29:13,898 --> 01:29:17,308
And another silver cord was going to you and you were crying.

1844
01:29:17,828 --> 01:29:21,518
I knew you were okay, but I don't know what it means.

1845
01:29:22,048 --> 01:29:26,018
And I'm just going, mom, can you stay the fuck out of my life for five minutes?

1846
01:29:26,018 --> 01:29:28,388
I'm trying to have some privacy over here.

1847
01:29:28,768 --> 01:29:30,838
But yeah, I just, so I wonder it.

1848
01:29:31,233 --> 01:29:36,293
It's moments like that that I wonder, are we already connected and we've lost it?

1849
01:29:36,363 --> 01:29:40,983
And somehow by building communication tools on an internet that ultimately

1850
01:29:40,983 --> 01:29:44,273
connects us all, do we have that?

1851
01:29:44,613 --> 01:29:45,513
Have you ever thought about that?

1852
01:29:45,513 --> 01:29:45,713
Yeah,

1853
01:29:45,713 --> 01:29:46,043
yeah.

1854
01:29:46,093 --> 01:29:48,393
Uh, well, similar, similar things.

1855
01:29:49,003 --> 01:29:55,503
First to the laughter, uh, and crying dichotomy, if you will, uh, I, I have a

1856
01:29:55,503 --> 01:29:58,193
very deep connection with my two brothers.

1857
01:29:58,533 --> 01:30:02,783
We've always been very tight and like, well, yeah, real brothers.

1858
01:30:03,533 --> 01:30:10,303
And when our father passed away, uh, four years ago, we, uh, We, we sort

1859
01:30:10,303 --> 01:30:18,173
of handled that through an extremely dark humor, like we made the most

1860
01:30:18,173 --> 01:30:20,843
horrible jokes about the whole event.

1861
01:30:21,303 --> 01:30:24,153
And that's somehow that mended the wounds.

1862
01:30:24,693 --> 01:30:31,933
It's like, it's like two sides of the same coin again, like it's, you know,

1863
01:30:31,943 --> 01:30:37,223
laughter is, uh, and, and that's why I think humor is so important too.

1864
01:30:38,943 --> 01:30:40,713
It's important to ridicule.

1865
01:30:42,393 --> 01:30:45,503
Stupid ideas, like they're meant to be ridiculed.

1866
01:30:45,513 --> 01:30:51,453
Like that's how people get out of these mass psychosis, totalitarianism things.

1867
01:30:52,033 --> 01:30:56,333
Like the only way, if, if, if speech and communication is the

1868
01:30:56,333 --> 01:31:00,353
only weapon, which it is, if we, uh, if we choose non aggression,

1869
01:31:01,153 --> 01:31:03,133
then, then ridicule and laughter is.

1870
01:31:03,308 --> 01:31:07,328
The best way out of it because like, look at that stupid fuck, we're

1871
01:31:07,328 --> 01:31:09,488
wearing a mask still like that.

1872
01:31:09,868 --> 01:31:12,298
It's, uh, . Yeah.

1873
01:31:12,298 --> 01:31:18,628
And I mean it literally and metaphorically mask, you know, looking

1874
01:31:18,628 --> 01:31:20,578
at it from a medical standpoint as well.

1875
01:31:20,578 --> 01:31:24,268
I mean, I, I don't want to break your flow because that I, I, I really like

1876
01:31:24,268 --> 01:31:27,328
the deepness and when you talk about you and your brothers connecting

1877
01:31:27,328 --> 01:31:28,798
in, that it means a lot to me.

1878
01:31:28,948 --> 01:31:32,933
I don't mean, uh, you would, uh, Couldn't even say the things we said to

1879
01:31:32,933 --> 01:31:37,313
each other about our recently deceased father and his and his remains like

1880
01:31:37,353 --> 01:31:45,253
because it's No, and and like, uh, but I think there's something really Like

1881
01:31:45,283 --> 01:31:50,953
the ability to be able to take life for what it is It's basically just a ride

1882
01:31:50,983 --> 01:31:52,873
and you have one chance to enjoy it.

1883
01:31:53,153 --> 01:31:58,703
You know, it's not a rehearsal So better live it while, while you're

1884
01:31:58,703 --> 01:32:06,583
here, like, and every time you, a moment passes and you're not enjoying

1885
01:32:06,583 --> 01:32:09,173
it, that moment goes away forever.

1886
01:32:09,183 --> 01:32:09,623
That's right.

1887
01:32:09,773 --> 01:32:11,353
That's, that's a lost moment.

1888
01:32:11,583 --> 01:32:12,053
Yeah.

1889
01:32:12,893 --> 01:32:17,133
So, and it can take half a lifetime to figure that out.

1890
01:32:17,903 --> 01:32:22,973
Well, at the end of the, this is something for me, there's only ever here now.

1891
01:32:23,523 --> 01:32:24,413
There's nothing else.

1892
01:32:25,243 --> 01:32:25,503
No.

1893
01:32:25,783 --> 01:32:27,793
And that's true at all points in time.

1894
01:32:28,593 --> 01:32:28,853
Yeah.

1895
01:32:29,123 --> 01:32:32,313
I had a conversation with a guy at BitBlockBoom last year, and

1896
01:32:32,563 --> 01:32:34,313
I could see his face melting.

1897
01:32:34,753 --> 01:32:40,953
He was like, yeah, it's only ever here now, but it's actually here now.

1898
01:32:41,113 --> 01:32:41,693
Sorry, Knut.

1899
01:32:42,033 --> 01:32:44,923
And I said, he said, no, no, Izzy, that's bullshit.

1900
01:32:45,483 --> 01:32:47,123
So really tell me how it's bullshit.

1901
01:32:48,623 --> 01:32:53,523
And he looked at me and he goes, I can record and play it back to

1902
01:32:53,523 --> 01:32:58,753
you in the past and I'm like, when are you playing it back to me?

1903
01:33:00,793 --> 01:33:01,943
There's only ever here now.

1904
01:33:02,773 --> 01:33:07,483
It's a serious, and to your point, if we don't get out of our own way and live

1905
01:33:07,493 --> 01:33:10,493
fully in the moment, what are we doing?

1906
01:33:10,843 --> 01:33:14,273
No, yeah, we're missing, we're missing the point somehow.

1907
01:33:14,783 --> 01:33:18,623
And so, so, it's the John Lennon thing, life is what happens while

1908
01:33:18,623 --> 01:33:20,063
you're busy doing other things, right?

1909
01:33:20,493 --> 01:33:26,823
But, um, how, how does that connect to low time preference though?

1910
01:33:26,873 --> 01:33:29,213
Like, if, if there's only here and now, how do you...

1911
01:33:29,863 --> 01:33:35,913
And I really cherish the living in the moment thing, but in your

1912
01:33:35,913 --> 01:33:40,453
view, how does that connect to, you know, getting a low time preference,

1913
01:33:40,463 --> 01:33:44,273
planning ahead for the future, making sure that everything works and like

1914
01:33:44,323 --> 01:33:46,373
this robustness that comes with it.

1915
01:33:46,853 --> 01:33:49,053
Like how do the, how do those two connect?

1916
01:33:49,073 --> 01:33:52,233
Because living in the now is, it feels like a.

1917
01:33:52,678 --> 01:33:56,308
High time preference statement, like there can be no higher time preference

1918
01:33:56,308 --> 01:33:57,478
than living in the now, right?

1919
01:33:57,478 --> 01:33:59,068
You're not thinking about the future at all.

1920
01:34:00,218 --> 01:34:06,418
But, but I think the, uh, you need, you need that to, to

1921
01:34:06,418 --> 01:34:07,758
acquire the low time preference.

1922
01:34:07,798 --> 01:34:11,958
Living in the now, the way I see it, you have this set of cards on your

1923
01:34:11,968 --> 01:34:18,973
hand and the, the, the kind of cards you have are Partly happenstance, and

1924
01:34:18,983 --> 01:34:22,973
they're also whatever you built in the past, and whatever you are, the sum

1925
01:34:22,973 --> 01:34:25,983
of your experiences to some extent.

1926
01:34:26,553 --> 01:34:30,823
So you have the cards you have at each and every moment, and you can choose

1927
01:34:30,823 --> 01:34:34,643
to play them in different ways, but they're still the only cards you have.

1928
01:34:35,093 --> 01:34:38,813
Like, you don't have any other cards, so you might as well just live with that.

1929
01:34:38,813 --> 01:34:40,543
And that's where the now comes in for me.

1930
01:34:40,803 --> 01:34:41,843
What's your take on that?

1931
01:34:43,963 --> 01:34:46,043
It's something I've thought about, and I can only talk

1932
01:34:46,053 --> 01:34:47,763
about from my own experience.

1933
01:34:53,083 --> 01:34:54,823
I'm a creep.

1934
01:34:55,333 --> 01:34:55,683
I'm

1935
01:34:55,683 --> 01:34:56,883
a wiener.

1936
01:34:58,153 --> 01:35:00,073
What the fuck am I doing here?

1937
01:35:00,893 --> 01:35:02,383
I don't belong here.

1938
01:35:03,933 --> 01:35:10,683
I, for me, just for me, in that, I don't focus on the future.

1939
01:35:13,328 --> 01:35:14,048
I don't, I don't.

1940
01:35:14,048 --> 01:35:14,608
Yeah, you do.

1941
01:35:15,348 --> 01:35:16,108
I really don't.

1942
01:35:16,108 --> 01:35:16,218
You have to.

1943
01:35:16,218 --> 01:35:17,508
You're the c e o of a company.

1944
01:35:17,508 --> 01:35:18,678
You have to focus on the future.

1945
01:35:18,678 --> 01:35:20,718
I don't buy that Izzy, I surround my sincerely.

1946
01:35:20,718 --> 01:35:20,808
I

1947
01:35:21,168 --> 01:35:21,738
don't buy that.

1948
01:35:21,798 --> 01:35:24,288
Well ask the people that I work with ask my board.

1949
01:35:24,293 --> 01:35:26,088
They, I don't know how they haven't fired me.

1950
01:35:26,093 --> 01:35:27,948
But even when you're, I'm kidding.

1951
01:35:27,948 --> 01:35:28,148
No, no,

1952
01:35:28,148 --> 01:35:28,268
no.

1953
01:35:28,378 --> 01:35:32,718
What I'm saying is even when you're spontaneous and making these flow-based

1954
01:35:32,718 --> 01:35:37,368
decisions that are completely in the now and you, you go with this feel thing.

1955
01:35:37,773 --> 01:35:38,133
Oh my god.

1956
01:35:38,143 --> 01:35:40,553
You are, you are preparing

1957
01:35:40,553 --> 01:35:41,173
for the future.

1958
01:35:41,463 --> 01:35:45,143
Well, let me elaborate then, because we could be, as Pseudo

1959
01:35:45,143 --> 01:35:49,553
Finn said before, using different language to say the same thing.

1960
01:35:51,263 --> 01:35:57,063
I, it, to me it's very simple, because I understand it experientially, my

1961
01:35:57,063 --> 01:35:59,783
bro science, I understand it that.

1962
01:36:00,258 --> 01:36:02,058
There's only ever here now.

1963
01:36:02,258 --> 01:36:06,008
So if I'm focused on a future, I'm actually just wishing

1964
01:36:07,078 --> 01:36:08,818
or setting intention, right?

1965
01:36:08,848 --> 01:36:08,938
Mm-hmm.

1966
01:36:10,128 --> 01:36:16,158
, which is fine to do that because the series of here nows in some way

1967
01:36:16,158 --> 01:36:18,618
equals uh, a mental future, right?

1968
01:36:18,618 --> 01:36:18,768
Yeah.

1969
01:36:19,588 --> 01:36:22,058
What I do for myself is I trust.

1970
01:36:24,018 --> 01:36:28,308
Trust, wholeheartedly, what I'm doing right now is going

1971
01:36:28,308 --> 01:36:29,368
to lead to the next moment.

1972
01:36:29,488 --> 01:36:29,868
The next moment.

1973
01:36:29,868 --> 01:36:30,628
So you don't verify?

1974
01:36:30,628 --> 01:36:31,288
The next moment.

1975
01:36:31,328 --> 01:36:32,058
The next moment.

1976
01:36:32,148 --> 01:36:32,758
The next moment.

1977
01:36:32,968 --> 01:36:34,528
I think life is the verification.

1978
01:36:34,578 --> 01:36:35,378
Yeah, it is.

1979
01:36:35,508 --> 01:36:39,508
Like, the next moment, you reap what you sow, right?

1980
01:36:39,658 --> 01:36:40,628
So, and that's the

1981
01:36:40,628 --> 01:36:41,658
verification part.

1982
01:36:41,668 --> 01:36:45,498
The hardest part was, I remember early days when I was getting this, uh, when

1983
01:36:45,498 --> 01:36:49,858
I was beginning to understand this and I said to one of the greatest loves of my

1984
01:36:49,858 --> 01:36:55,278
life, um, Alexandra, bless you, wherever you are, you're in France, I know that,

1985
01:36:55,818 --> 01:37:01,144
um, one of my close friends, she, uh, she said, do you want to get married?

1986
01:37:01,144 --> 01:37:03,714
And I'm like, look, I'm on this journey of know thyself, I can't.

1987
01:37:03,989 --> 01:37:04,469
Commit.

1988
01:37:05,349 --> 01:37:06,699
Boy, you can't commit.

1989
01:37:06,699 --> 01:37:08,669
How can we be together if you can't commit?

1990
01:37:09,009 --> 01:37:10,589
You're not going to love me?

1991
01:37:10,859 --> 01:37:12,499
I can't tell you whether I'm going to love you.

1992
01:37:13,439 --> 01:37:15,309
I can tell you I love you right now.

1993
01:37:15,369 --> 01:37:18,329
And I trust that this feeling is going to go into the next month.

1994
01:37:18,629 --> 01:37:20,239
Yeah, you don't say that to a woman.

1995
01:37:20,489 --> 01:37:22,329
That's not what they want

1996
01:37:22,809 --> 01:37:22,859
to hear.

1997
01:37:22,859 --> 01:37:24,115
It's not very tactical, no.

1998
01:37:24,115 --> 01:37:24,361
Yeah,

1999
01:37:24,361 --> 01:37:24,853
no, no.

2000
01:37:25,144 --> 01:37:29,614
But I, but I, from that type of understanding of life, I've developed

2001
01:37:29,614 --> 01:37:36,594
this trust that I know that the trajectory I'm on is going to equal some type of,

2002
01:37:36,594 --> 01:37:40,584
and as long as in this moment I'm true to myself, I'm true to my intention,

2003
01:37:41,044 --> 01:37:42,744
and I, and I, and I found the life hack.

2004
01:37:42,854 --> 01:37:43,854
I found it, brother.

2005
01:37:44,854 --> 01:37:47,514
For me and for my company and companies.

2006
01:37:47,944 --> 01:37:50,564
Focus on the orange glowing light, nothing else is important.

2007
01:37:50,844 --> 01:37:54,544
We had some people in the company doing memes, comparing shitcoins,

2008
01:37:55,394 --> 01:37:58,554
and I just, I just, we got them on a call and I said, listen, I'm going

2009
01:37:58,554 --> 01:37:59,764
to be, can I be frank with you?

2010
01:37:59,944 --> 01:38:01,554
Yeah, don't ever fucking do that.

2011
01:38:01,924 --> 01:38:04,664
Like, why do you want to bring a shitcoin up to where we are?

2012
01:38:04,694 --> 01:38:05,784
What's the comparison?

2013
01:38:05,794 --> 01:38:06,934
There's no comparison.

2014
01:38:07,699 --> 01:38:12,659
I have never, I know everyone has their own journeys and, and shitcoinery

2015
01:38:12,659 --> 01:38:13,909
has helped people understand.

2016
01:38:14,389 --> 01:38:15,969
I've never touched shitcoin in my life.

2017
01:38:15,969 --> 01:38:18,149
I've seen every single one of them come.

2018
01:38:18,149 --> 01:38:18,289
I do not care.

2019
01:38:18,299 --> 01:38:18,629
Well, you

2020
01:38:18,999 --> 01:38:19,829
touched dollars and stuff.

2021
01:38:20,249 --> 01:38:21,309
Oh, good point.

2022
01:38:21,569 --> 01:38:21,959
Good point.

2023
01:38:22,529 --> 01:38:23,849
It's a very good point, actually.

2024
01:38:24,149 --> 01:38:26,289
And a really shitty one too, the Australian dollar.

2025
01:38:27,384 --> 01:38:29,274
Don't get me arrested at the airport.

2026
01:38:30,764 --> 01:38:32,084
I just don't care about them.

2027
01:38:32,264 --> 01:38:33,284
That's so to me.

2028
01:38:33,289 --> 01:38:34,154
But yeah.

2029
01:38:34,154 --> 01:38:34,424
Sorry.

2030
01:38:34,424 --> 01:38:34,724
Okay.

2031
01:38:35,354 --> 01:38:41,064
Uh, I just, I, I just wanna make a point about the commitment and

2032
01:38:41,064 --> 01:38:43,164
non-commitment thing and time reference.

2033
01:38:43,224 --> 01:38:43,584
Yeah.

2034
01:38:43,794 --> 01:38:48,994
For me, getting married was like, your wife, your wife is so lovely.

2035
01:38:49,294 --> 01:38:50,594
Uh, she, she's so,

2036
01:38:51,024 --> 01:38:52,314
she lovely.

2037
01:38:52,314 --> 01:38:53,214
She really is.

2038
01:38:53,974 --> 01:38:57,154
So I, I've always.

2039
01:38:58,244 --> 01:39:00,364
Question the institution of marriage.

2040
01:39:00,394 --> 01:39:02,444
I don't really buy into it.

2041
01:39:02,794 --> 01:39:08,214
And, and then when, when I proposed to Sofia and committed to that, I felt

2042
01:39:08,224 --> 01:39:16,034
like, uh, you know, during my twenties, between 20 and 30, 35, I, um, had

2043
01:39:16,034 --> 01:39:19,834
multiple girlfriends and I didn't know where I was going and stuff like, so

2044
01:39:19,864 --> 01:39:24,374
like, and I mean, I had a good time.

2045
01:39:24,374 --> 01:39:28,284
I had a lot of fun, but I felt like I had no direction.

2046
01:39:28,294 --> 01:39:36,514
So for me, uh, you know, to me, the act of proposing was showing to her that I

2047
01:39:36,514 --> 01:39:42,254
was willing to give up my beliefs for her, which, which is the signal in the noise.

2048
01:39:43,614 --> 01:39:48,044
And, and I'm, then when I make a commitment and make a promise that.

2049
01:39:48,224 --> 01:39:50,874
Till death do you, does your part, or whatever.

2050
01:39:53,354 --> 01:39:54,914
That's what he said in the vows.

2051
01:39:55,204 --> 01:39:55,444
What?

2052
01:39:55,524 --> 01:39:56,664
No, I love you.

2053
01:39:56,934 --> 01:40:00,164
No, but I mean that very specifically, till death does your part.

2054
01:40:01,604 --> 01:40:04,144
I'm too autistic to not take that seriously.

2055
01:40:04,154 --> 01:40:09,294
If I make that kind of a promise, because I don't, I don't see the point in making

2056
01:40:09,294 --> 01:40:11,324
that promise if divorce is an option.

2057
01:40:12,114 --> 01:40:17,064
Like why the, then the promise is just, yeah, it's a nothing burger, right?

2058
01:40:17,304 --> 01:40:18,704
A vegan nothing burger.

2059
01:40:18,914 --> 01:40:20,804
I mean, it's an impossible whopper.

2060
01:40:21,334 --> 01:40:25,464
You can't, the whole point is lost if divorce is an option.

2061
01:40:25,974 --> 01:40:29,914
So to me, like, she's the mother of my, of my children.

2062
01:40:30,314 --> 01:40:32,094
I'm never going to let go.

2063
01:40:32,114 --> 01:40:35,454
Like that, that's just not in my playbook.

2064
01:40:35,674 --> 01:40:39,554
And I might regret saying that somewhere down the line, but I don't think so.

2065
01:40:39,834 --> 01:40:40,074
So

2066
01:40:40,074 --> 01:40:43,474
I think we could be saying the same thing because in a way, like

2067
01:40:43,474 --> 01:40:46,364
I trust in this moment, I trust it.

2068
01:40:47,449 --> 01:40:50,879
So I trust that the next moment is naturally going to flow out of this.

2069
01:40:51,429 --> 01:40:55,589
And I never, because of the mission that I was on to know who I am, I

2070
01:40:55,599 --> 01:41:01,759
never, I felt too selfish to commit in a way to a woman of that sense.

2071
01:41:02,009 --> 01:41:06,219
And I also felt too immature to bring children into the world because I

2072
01:41:06,219 --> 01:41:10,189
knew that the unresolved issues inside myself, I'd probably screw them up.

2073
01:41:10,609 --> 01:41:12,189
Maybe every parent.

2074
01:41:12,509 --> 01:41:13,729
you know, goes through that.

2075
01:41:13,729 --> 01:41:16,859
But for me, I was like, I'm not willing to screw someone up.

2076
01:41:17,049 --> 01:41:20,919
I had this idea that it would, um, let me understand myself a little

2077
01:41:20,919 --> 01:41:23,109
bit better before that happens.

2078
01:41:23,519 --> 01:41:29,479
And after going through all that and seeing my friends, um, tell me, you

2079
01:41:29,479 --> 01:41:33,689
know, when you know, Izzy, like you meet someone and you know, I never had that.

2080
01:41:33,759 --> 01:41:39,529
Like I, I had some amazing partners, like two or three that just some of my best

2081
01:41:39,529 --> 01:41:42,259
friends to this day, but I didn't know.

2082
01:41:42,744 --> 01:41:49,774
But last year, after this conference, I had that experience.

2083
01:41:50,574 --> 01:41:51,324
You met someone?

2084
01:41:51,644 --> 01:41:53,234
Yeah, yeah, definitely.

2085
01:41:54,174 --> 01:41:57,164
And, um, it feels like I met my other half.

2086
01:41:57,704 --> 01:41:58,474
Fantastic.

2087
01:41:59,404 --> 01:42:06,154
And so when you say, I think I would say whatever she, like, I mean, uh,

2088
01:42:06,214 --> 01:42:11,114
yeah, I just feel like I've met the person that it all, it all makes sense.

2089
01:42:11,924 --> 01:42:15,914
And, and it's crazy because I didn't understand when people

2090
01:42:15,934 --> 01:42:17,204
said, Oh, it's, you feel it.

2091
01:42:17,524 --> 01:42:19,554
And she and I used to, well.

2092
01:42:19,694 --> 01:42:20,484
What's his name?

2093
01:42:23,834 --> 01:42:24,864
Uh, Pseudo Finn.

2094
01:42:26,344 --> 01:42:27,174
You may know him.

2095
01:42:27,494 --> 01:42:30,074
We, uh, we fell in love in the shower.

2096
01:42:33,934 --> 01:42:35,014
Her name is Samantha.

2097
01:42:35,834 --> 01:42:39,944
Oh, uh, you didn't have to dox her, it's just making a cheap joke.

2098
01:42:39,984 --> 01:42:41,474
Well, there's a lot of Samanthas in the world.

2099
01:42:41,624 --> 01:42:43,724
Yes, yes, Samantha Fox is one.

2100
01:42:44,334 --> 01:42:44,904
You remember

2101
01:42:44,904 --> 01:42:45,204
her?

2102
01:42:45,254 --> 01:42:46,264
Yeah, I do, actually.

2103
01:42:46,324 --> 01:42:46,774
Yeah.

2104
01:42:47,814 --> 01:42:51,164
But I feel like I've met my kind of crazy.

2105
01:42:52,349 --> 01:42:54,769
And we talk about it on the phone, like, do you feel that, and I'm

2106
01:42:54,769 --> 01:42:55,799
like, yeah, I'm fully erect.

2107
01:42:56,379 --> 01:42:57,529
I'm very happy to hear that, Isi.

2108
01:42:57,819 --> 01:42:58,978
Actually, like, it was wonderful.

2109
01:42:58,979 --> 01:43:00,149
It feels incredible.

2110
01:43:02,289 --> 01:43:07,669
So I understand now how you can look at Sophia and go, I'm going to promise.

2111
01:43:08,029 --> 01:43:08,529
Yeah, yeah.

2112
01:43:08,579 --> 01:43:09,849
Till the end of time, I'm going

2113
01:43:09,849 --> 01:43:10,599
to be beside you.

2114
01:43:10,599 --> 01:43:12,643
So are you doing this here on Let's Play?

2115
01:43:12,644 --> 01:43:13,964
Pod are you proposing here?

2116
01:43:14,174 --> 01:43:15,584
Like are you, are you willing

2117
01:43:15,584 --> 01:43:15,884
to come in?

2118
01:43:15,884 --> 01:43:16,334
I think she knows.

2119
01:43:16,334 --> 01:43:20,264
She's, uh, I tell her she's my scientific philosophical wife

2120
01:43:20,264 --> 01:43:21,914
and she gets all gooey and

2121
01:43:22,004 --> 01:43:23,504
Is she your, your god?

2122
01:43:25,024 --> 01:43:30,794
Wow, Samantha, your God has a ring to it, doesn't it?

2123
01:43:31,684 --> 01:43:31,984
Maybe

2124
01:43:31,984 --> 01:43:32,824
she is, man.

2125
01:43:33,274 --> 01:43:34,174
Maybe she is.

2126
01:43:34,234 --> 01:43:35,734
And we, and, and we might not.

2127
01:43:36,484 --> 01:43:40,094
We came together through Bitcoin, a friend of ours.

2128
01:43:40,784 --> 01:43:44,914
Like, I met a guy at, um, the, here at Baltic Honey

2129
01:43:44,914 --> 01:43:47,964
Badger, uh, Zizou comes to me.

2130
01:43:48,784 --> 01:43:51,174
Zizou is one of the most wonderful human beings I know.

2131
01:43:53,054 --> 01:43:53,114
Isn't he?

2132
01:43:53,114 --> 01:43:55,274
Yeah, that's an instant bromance as well, yeah.

2133
01:43:55,424 --> 01:43:57,044
Shout out to you, Zizou, you're the best.

2134
01:43:57,044 --> 01:43:58,004
Shout out to Zizou.

2135
01:43:58,494 --> 01:44:00,684
We saw each other at And he's a great hugger.

2136
01:44:00,944 --> 01:44:01,514
Yeah, I know.

2137
01:44:02,069 --> 01:44:03,459
Well, that's how we connected.

2138
01:44:03,569 --> 01:44:04,428
He was at the aboriginal

2139
01:44:04,429 --> 01:44:06,279
landshake.

2140
01:44:07,339 --> 01:44:07,839
Just a hug.

2141
01:44:10,069 --> 01:44:13,529
He was standing beside a window at the speaker's dinner and I went

2142
01:44:13,529 --> 01:44:17,219
over and I looked out the window and I saw Zizzo and we just turned

2143
01:44:17,219 --> 01:44:21,289
and we looked at one another and we had this like real guy moment.

2144
01:44:21,289 --> 01:44:21,799
And he was like,

2145
01:44:22,969 --> 01:44:24,819
yeah, don't underestimate bromances.

2146
01:44:25,189 --> 01:44:25,659
I think.

2147
01:44:25,669 --> 01:44:25,929
A hundred

2148
01:44:25,929 --> 01:44:26,279
percent.

2149
01:44:26,309 --> 01:44:26,609
All.

2150
01:44:26,649 --> 01:44:32,429
But, but just to finish that, he, he said to me, he goes, I don't know why is he.

2151
01:44:33,074 --> 01:44:36,874
You need to contact this, this woman, Samantha.

2152
01:44:38,334 --> 01:44:38,794
Okay.

2153
01:44:39,954 --> 01:44:43,254
And I had been, I had actually been purposefully celibate.

2154
01:44:44,274 --> 01:44:47,294
A long time, and I'm like, yeah, okay, for sure.

2155
01:44:47,974 --> 01:44:52,334
Um, and I did, actually the story gets a little bit deeper, I don't

2156
01:44:52,334 --> 01:44:53,464
know how deep you want to go.

2157
01:44:55,274 --> 01:44:55,864
Take it away.

2158
01:44:58,314 --> 01:44:58,794
Really?

2159
01:45:00,814 --> 01:45:01,894
Do whatever you like, man.

2160
01:45:02,214 --> 01:45:02,734
Yeah, only if you

2161
01:45:03,724 --> 01:45:04,564
want to, but...

2162
01:45:05,304 --> 01:45:05,904
I'll go there.

2163
01:45:06,594 --> 01:45:07,204
Um...

2164
01:45:07,959 --> 01:45:12,469
He said to me, you need to contact Samantha, and I did, and something

2165
01:45:12,469 --> 01:45:13,629
happened in that first call.

2166
01:45:13,629 --> 01:45:15,059
It was like a 45 minute call.

2167
01:45:15,219 --> 01:45:16,069
I had left here.

2168
01:45:16,069 --> 01:45:20,029
I went to Isle of Man, uh, catch up with Danny Brewster, and then went to India,

2169
01:45:20,339 --> 01:45:22,329
back to a place that I love, right?

2170
01:45:22,839 --> 01:45:27,829
And I got this bungalow on the beach, and I was there, and um,

2171
01:45:28,649 --> 01:45:29,569
yeah, I wanted to get emotional.

2172
01:45:29,569 --> 01:45:30,759
I can, I can already feel it.

2173
01:45:31,339 --> 01:45:37,299
Um, I, uh, my mother had been saying to me, uh, you need to pray.

2174
01:45:38,284 --> 01:45:44,384
I grew up in the Bible Belt, and I'm not sure how I feel about prayer, um, but I

2175
01:45:44,384 --> 01:45:53,214
just felt like talking to what was greater than me, whatever, because I know that I'm

2176
01:45:53,214 --> 01:45:55,174
a part of something greater than myself.

2177
01:45:55,174 --> 01:45:58,994
I just don't know what it is, and I'm not audacious enough to give it a name.

2178
01:45:59,554 --> 01:45:59,804
Well,

2179
01:45:59,814 --> 01:46:00,524
you're talking to us.

2180
01:46:00,784 --> 01:46:01,114
Yeah.

2181
01:46:03,184 --> 01:46:06,774
And so I had talked to Samantha, which was interesting.

2182
01:46:07,324 --> 01:46:13,614
Because Zizzo said, you need to call this strange woman, you are strange, my woman.

2183
01:46:14,164 --> 01:46:20,184
Um, but the reason I prayed in that, um, in that bungalow was, um,

2184
01:46:23,344 --> 01:46:29,614
so about eight years ago, I, um, I felt something happening in, in my body.

2185
01:46:30,354 --> 01:46:34,199
And, um, I called one of my colleagues, his doctor as well.

2186
01:46:34,199 --> 01:46:35,544
And I said, yeah, something's not right.

2187
01:46:35,544 --> 01:46:36,304
Something's going on.

2188
01:46:37,634 --> 01:46:40,344
Uh, we need to do some tests and blood tests and figure out.

2189
01:46:40,599 --> 01:46:46,819
Uh, what's going on and, uh, we did, and I was literally, I was about to go to India.

2190
01:46:46,819 --> 01:46:47,689
I had a film premiere.

2191
01:46:47,689 --> 01:46:51,129
I was flying my whole family over and, uh, he said, yeah, not you.

2192
01:46:51,399 --> 01:46:53,709
You shouldn't, you don't get on a plane.

2193
01:46:54,329 --> 01:46:58,389
Um, and it culminated in, I said, I am getting on a plane.

2194
01:46:58,499 --> 01:47:02,889
Uh, I'm going to India and he said, no, you need to go to the, you need

2195
01:47:02,889 --> 01:47:04,349
to go see a specialist hematologist.

2196
01:47:04,379 --> 01:47:05,509
You need to go to the cancer center.

2197
01:47:05,509 --> 01:47:06,259
Like now.

2198
01:47:06,754 --> 01:47:12,544
Um, and there's some very abnormalities in the blood and I went there and I saw this

2199
01:47:12,544 --> 01:47:15,264
guy and, uh, it's a wonderful guy, Dr.

2200
01:47:15,264 --> 01:47:21,224
Max Wolf, and, um, he, we took some blood results, sorry, he took some

2201
01:47:21,224 --> 01:47:24,804
blood tests at the other doctor and he saw the blood results and he said,

2202
01:47:24,804 --> 01:47:26,034
yeah, I think I know what this is.

2203
01:47:26,594 --> 01:47:33,394
It's very rare, um, blood cancer and, uh, we don't know the etiology of it.

2204
01:47:34,694 --> 01:47:37,554
We definitely know it's going to, it's going to take your life.

2205
01:47:38,084 --> 01:47:42,184
Um, and you, you, you know, you're going to have to deal with that.

2206
01:47:43,024 --> 01:47:46,744
And I remember sitting there with Max and I was kind of looking at him and just

2207
01:47:46,764 --> 01:47:48,284
going, well, I'm still going to India.

2208
01:47:48,684 --> 01:47:51,224
I'll fly my family over for this film premiere.

2209
01:47:51,224 --> 01:47:51,984
I'm going to India.

2210
01:47:52,754 --> 01:47:53,574
And, um.

2211
01:47:53,994 --> 01:47:56,104
He said, there's a possibility if you get on the plane, you

2212
01:47:56,164 --> 01:47:57,384
have a heart attack or a stroke.

2213
01:47:57,394 --> 01:48:00,264
And we worked out, okay, let's just take out a lot of blood.

2214
01:48:00,854 --> 01:48:03,044
Let's mitigate this as best we can.

2215
01:48:03,104 --> 01:48:03,614
So we did.

2216
01:48:03,614 --> 01:48:04,764
We took out a heap of blood.

2217
01:48:04,764 --> 01:48:05,624
I was really weak.

2218
01:48:06,064 --> 01:48:09,844
Got on the plane, went over there, got the bone marrow biopsy back.

2219
01:48:09,844 --> 01:48:10,674
And he said, yeah.

2220
01:48:11,769 --> 01:48:16,649
This is a JAK2 gene expression, uh, epigenetically, and that's one

2221
01:48:16,649 --> 01:48:19,559
of the precursors, put all this together and you, you've got this.

2222
01:48:20,049 --> 01:48:21,529
So I said, okay, I'll be back in Australia.

2223
01:48:21,529 --> 01:48:22,009
We'll talk about it.

2224
01:48:23,219 --> 01:48:25,659
I go back and he gives me two pathways.

2225
01:48:26,079 --> 01:48:29,189
This is the lead up to what happened in India after I talked with.

2226
01:48:29,569 --> 01:48:31,809
Samantha said, you've got two pathways.

2227
01:48:31,809 --> 01:48:33,259
You're it's going to take your life.

2228
01:48:33,259 --> 01:48:34,379
We don't know why it is.

2229
01:48:35,059 --> 01:48:38,279
Um, you, you can either do nothing.

2230
01:48:38,339 --> 01:48:41,419
And I said, what's a prognosis?

2231
01:48:41,829 --> 01:48:45,139
He said, oh, it's two to two to five years.

2232
01:48:45,179 --> 01:48:50,249
If you don't listen to us, if you do, um, you'll live, you'll

2233
01:48:50,249 --> 01:48:53,019
live longer, but you're going to have to take cytodurtic drugs.

2234
01:48:53,019 --> 01:48:55,399
You're going to have to take these type of chemotherapy drugs.

2235
01:48:55,939 --> 01:48:59,089
And I have a background in medicine and I know.

2236
01:48:59,354 --> 01:49:03,194
Nothing against any type of, you know, I think allopathic medicine

2237
01:49:03,204 --> 01:49:08,324
has its place, but for me, I was like, yeah, no, I'm not doing it.

2238
01:49:08,804 --> 01:49:13,434
I'm, uh, I'm gonna, I'm going to find out what the causation of this

2239
01:49:13,454 --> 01:49:17,904
is, uh, where it comes from, why there's an expression, whether it

2240
01:49:17,904 --> 01:49:20,374
is epigenetic or whether it isn't.

2241
01:49:20,824 --> 01:49:22,694
Um, this was eight years

2242
01:49:22,694 --> 01:49:22,994
ago.

2243
01:49:23,824 --> 01:49:26,194
Yeah, it was in March of 2015.

2244
01:49:26,204 --> 01:49:28,254
So how long ago is that?

2245
01:49:28,544 --> 01:49:29,084
Yeah.

2246
01:49:29,754 --> 01:49:34,844
And, um, to cut a long story short, I said to him, uh, I actually called

2247
01:49:34,844 --> 01:49:38,974
my friends together and I said, um, yeah, this is what's happening.

2248
01:49:38,974 --> 01:49:42,234
I may not be around and I need to disappear.

2249
01:49:42,234 --> 01:49:46,684
I need to go on the outskirts of society, cut off, and I

2250
01:49:46,684 --> 01:49:48,294
need to start experimenting.

2251
01:49:48,764 --> 01:49:50,104
And they're very upset.

2252
01:49:50,189 --> 01:49:53,399
Like fucking, you know, how, how are we going to feel if

2253
01:49:53,409 --> 01:49:55,229
you go and never come back?

2254
01:49:55,279 --> 01:49:56,709
Like, that's so selfish of you.

2255
01:49:57,489 --> 01:50:01,209
And, uh, I just said, listen, it's this, this is what I'm doing.

2256
01:50:01,664 --> 01:50:02,584
You have no choice.

2257
01:50:02,714 --> 01:50:04,064
Um, I'm on a mission.

2258
01:50:04,404 --> 01:50:05,494
I'm going to figure this thing out.

2259
01:50:06,994 --> 01:50:08,664
And um, so it disappeared.

2260
01:50:08,934 --> 01:50:13,914
That was the celibacy because you can't really, I had to leave my

2261
01:50:13,914 --> 01:50:15,914
partner at the time and she was lovely.

2262
01:50:15,914 --> 01:50:19,214
She was like, you know, I'll be here for you and I'm like, nah, I'm not,

2263
01:50:19,314 --> 01:50:21,214
he's not putting anyone through this.

2264
01:50:21,214 --> 01:50:22,834
I don't know what the end result is.

2265
01:50:23,077 --> 01:50:29,007
So for about four, a little under five years, I just started doing

2266
01:50:29,017 --> 01:50:33,747
the most ludicrous, ridiculous experiments, um, trying to figure

2267
01:50:33,747 --> 01:50:38,207
out what causes this, what happens, and I won't go into all that.

2268
01:50:38,207 --> 01:50:40,297
I just wanted to give that as a bit of a backstory.

2269
01:50:40,917 --> 01:50:41,697
So when.

2270
01:50:41,772 --> 01:50:44,842
I was away from society for a long time.

2271
01:50:44,842 --> 01:50:45,922
Almost killed myself there.

2272
01:50:45,922 --> 01:50:49,582
One, not, not, not took my life, but through the experimentation.

2273
01:50:49,582 --> 01:50:49,672
Mm-hmm.

2274
01:50:49,912 --> 01:50:51,982
, I had a, a Herxheimer reaction.

2275
01:50:52,892 --> 01:50:58,532
A lot of endotoxins got dumped in the body and I was, it was, it was

2276
01:50:58,772 --> 01:51:02,702
you looking out the door going, wow, I, I'm gonna make it out this door.

2277
01:51:02,762 --> 01:51:03,692
This is wild.

2278
01:51:04,572 --> 01:51:10,492
And um, cut to going through that, figuring out what it was, being able

2279
01:51:10,492 --> 01:51:13,012
to recreate it a couple of times.

2280
01:51:13,874 --> 01:51:20,154
and then tell my hematologist that and him go, I don't know how you're

2281
01:51:20,154 --> 01:51:23,934
doing this, but keep doing it and keep a medical file because this

2282
01:51:23,974 --> 01:51:25,344
is, this is going to be important.

2283
01:51:25,624 --> 01:51:28,234
And I'm like, dude, I've been keeping it from day one.

2284
01:51:28,874 --> 01:51:30,624
I know what this is.

2285
01:51:31,554 --> 01:51:38,254
So when I get to India after last year and I talked to Samantha, I didn't know

2286
01:51:38,274 --> 01:51:44,044
how I'd feel about her later, but I dropped down in, uh, in this bungalow.

2287
01:51:45,124 --> 01:51:48,014
I just started praying because mom had said, pray.

2288
01:51:48,659 --> 01:51:52,679
I didn't know who I was talking to, I think God is a word, I just knew

2289
01:51:52,679 --> 01:51:59,439
that I was incredibly thankful for going through what I went through and

2290
01:52:00,289 --> 01:52:06,409
having this evidence to be able to help people and I just started like weeping.

2291
01:52:06,649 --> 01:52:09,119
It felt like years and years of...

2292
01:52:10,559 --> 01:52:13,839
Sadness and guilt and everything else just washed away.

2293
01:52:14,169 --> 01:52:17,969
And I, this whole thing was a precursor to tell you what I'm, the statement

2294
01:52:17,969 --> 01:52:21,579
I'm about to say right now at the end of that, it may sound cliche,

2295
01:52:21,919 --> 01:52:24,169
cliche, but I felt so cleansed.

2296
01:52:24,629 --> 01:52:28,519
There's like 20 minutes on, I buckled, I ended up on my knees.

2297
01:52:29,224 --> 01:52:32,424
I don't know if that's a religious thing that happens to people or what,

2298
01:52:32,424 --> 01:52:36,974
but I literally fell down on my knees and cried, and then at the end, and it

2299
01:52:36,974 --> 01:52:41,364
wasn't like painful tears, it was just a washing, and at the end, I just felt,

2300
01:52:41,374 --> 01:52:50,840
um, I said, well, if there is a God, I'm very thankful and I'm kind of ready for a

2301
01:52:50,840 --> 01:52:53,000
woman, if, if, if there's one out there.

2302
01:52:54,840 --> 01:53:01,110
And then ended up having this, um, this wild love affair start with Samantha,

2303
01:53:01,120 --> 01:53:07,180
where I just feel something different than I've ever felt in my life.

2304
01:53:07,730 --> 01:53:11,450
I mean, life happens so fast, right, and you, you go through these ups and

2305
01:53:11,450 --> 01:53:18,470
downs and trauma is one thing and like, yeah, what we, what we tried to live

2306
01:53:18,480 --> 01:53:22,900
by here on the Freedom Footprint show, that sounds like a commercial again, but

2307
01:53:23,720 --> 01:53:28,470
is this notion of feet on the ground, head in the clouds, like, because you

2308
01:53:28,470 --> 01:53:33,610
need to be grounded and you need to be in reality, but you also need to, to

2309
01:53:33,700 --> 01:53:39,255
admit that There's infinite potential, like, I'm the Lizard King, I can do

2310
01:53:39,255 --> 01:53:46,085
anything, that kind of vibe, you know, so, so, so you shouldn't deny either one.

2311
01:53:46,535 --> 01:53:51,305
I mean, a lot of people are seeking happiness or whatever, and they try

2312
01:53:51,305 --> 01:53:55,635
to, try to live their dream, and it all fails, and they end up with a big mortgage

2313
01:53:55,675 --> 01:54:00,275
or something, or some trauma happens, and they just can't do it, or they get

2314
01:54:00,315 --> 01:54:02,615
addicted to drugs or alcohol or whatever.

2315
01:54:03,945 --> 01:54:05,495
Uh, and some people...

2316
01:54:06,015 --> 01:54:09,275
Keep their feet on the ground too much and they end up, you know, doing the

2317
01:54:09,275 --> 01:54:11,415
same thing over and over again every day.

2318
01:54:11,955 --> 01:54:14,875
And they're stuck in their hamster's wheels all their lives because they don't

2319
01:54:14,875 --> 01:54:17,825
see the other roads they could have taken.

2320
01:54:17,945 --> 01:54:23,255
So, and I think life is basically about that balance between feet on

2321
01:54:23,255 --> 01:54:24,645
the ground and head in the clouds.

2322
01:54:25,005 --> 01:54:25,205
That's

2323
01:54:25,235 --> 01:54:25,845
beautiful.

2324
01:54:26,065 --> 01:54:27,645
Yeah, that balance.

2325
01:54:28,865 --> 01:54:30,485
Makes for a good visual as well.

2326
01:54:31,055 --> 01:54:32,705
Yeah, yeah, a really tall guy.

2327
01:54:35,295 --> 01:54:38,275
Well, I think it's the best thing that ever happened to me, bar none.

2328
01:54:38,275 --> 01:54:41,005
I think it was a lot harder for other people.

2329
01:54:41,015 --> 01:54:41,655
Better than Bitcoin?

2330
01:54:42,745 --> 01:54:43,395
Yeah,

2331
01:54:44,335 --> 01:54:49,415
yeah, because it was, it was the sort of end of that whole

2332
01:54:49,415 --> 01:54:51,595
trajectory of know thyself.

2333
01:54:51,835 --> 01:54:52,475
Yeah, yeah, and

2334
01:54:52,525 --> 01:54:59,035
I, this is in the Everything Divided book, uh, like, I truly believe that,

2335
01:54:59,035 --> 01:55:05,860
uh, The scarce time we have on this earth is, is what gives its value, like the

2336
01:55:05,860 --> 01:55:09,320
notion that we're gonna die one day is what gives our actions value and like,

2337
01:55:09,350 --> 01:55:14,590
like, and you get this periodic reminders during your life when someone passes or

2338
01:55:14,590 --> 01:55:17,920
when you get a diagnosis or whatever, or when you're faced with it yourself,

2339
01:55:18,020 --> 01:55:25,040
or when people close to you, yeah, and you get this reminder that This is going

2340
01:55:25,040 --> 01:55:28,150
to end one day, it's not a rehearsal.

2341
01:55:28,380 --> 01:55:29,200
Yeah.

2342
01:55:29,610 --> 01:55:33,950
And the funny thing about that is as well, one of the things it taught me was, Oh

2343
01:55:33,950 --> 01:55:38,430
my God, I've been, like every step I've ever taken is one step closer to death.

2344
01:55:39,080 --> 01:55:42,380
And when I look around, everyone's afraid of death.

2345
01:55:42,620 --> 01:55:47,490
Like half their actions, if not more, if not all, are more like, Oh, I better do

2346
01:55:47,970 --> 01:55:48,460
this before.

2347
01:55:48,975 --> 01:55:50,195
An Asimov quote.

2348
01:55:50,465 --> 01:55:51,455
I love Asimov.

2349
01:55:51,895 --> 01:55:53,035
It's very quotable.

2350
01:55:53,255 --> 01:55:57,115
Like, uh, uh, I think it's Asimov.

2351
01:55:57,115 --> 01:56:00,475
I might be completely wrong here, but like, life is

2352
01:56:00,505 --> 01:56:02,545
beautiful, death is peaceful.

2353
01:56:02,575 --> 01:56:04,295
It's the transition that bothers me.

2354
01:56:06,685 --> 01:56:07,975
And I love that because like...

2355
01:56:08,220 --> 01:56:09,100
Pain sucks.

2356
01:56:09,680 --> 01:56:10,280
It sucks.

2357
01:56:11,670 --> 01:56:14,770
But then again, if you, you, you said, you said a sentence before,

2358
01:56:14,790 --> 01:56:16,150
you said, it's just a ride.

2359
01:56:16,200 --> 01:56:18,630
And it reminded me of, uh, Bill Hicks.

2360
01:56:19,560 --> 01:56:21,200
Bill Hicks said, it's just a ride.

2361
01:56:22,770 --> 01:56:24,030
And he said, uh.

2362
01:56:24,550 --> 01:56:26,520
It's a choice between fear and love.

2363
01:56:27,390 --> 01:56:27,640
Yeah.

2364
01:56:27,810 --> 01:56:29,510
And there's that dichotomy.

2365
01:56:29,510 --> 01:56:32,370
You know, we've talked a lot about this before, that fear and love

2366
01:56:32,390 --> 01:56:35,920
are two sides of the same coin and they're equivalent to low time

2367
01:56:35,920 --> 01:56:37,200
preference and high time preference.

2368
01:56:37,860 --> 01:56:42,910
Like when you have a high time preference and if you, so the thesis

2369
01:56:42,910 --> 01:56:45,790
is this, if you're stripped of everything you own, so you're thrown

2370
01:56:45,790 --> 01:56:49,890
out on the streets, on the street, no, no food, no shelter, no clothes.

2371
01:56:50,745 --> 01:56:52,915
Not even shoes, or hair.

2372
01:56:56,895 --> 01:57:00,375
Your time preference is high because you need to find something to eat.

2373
01:57:00,405 --> 01:57:01,805
You need shelter.

2374
01:57:01,845 --> 01:57:03,615
You need all of this stuff.

2375
01:57:05,315 --> 01:57:06,755
And what is that state?

2376
01:57:06,775 --> 01:57:07,995
It's a state of fear.

2377
01:57:09,925 --> 01:57:11,685
And what's the opposite of fear?

2378
01:57:12,755 --> 01:57:13,175
It's love.

2379
01:57:13,875 --> 01:57:17,525
Like, so when you, when you have your feet on the ground, when you have, when,

2380
01:57:17,535 --> 01:57:21,045
when you, when you know that you're not going to get too fucked, you can

2381
01:57:21,045 --> 01:57:23,455
actually focus on long term projects.

2382
01:57:24,365 --> 01:57:31,655
Commitment, whatever, uh, then you get into, uh, it, it gives

2383
01:57:31,655 --> 01:57:33,255
you the ability to love others.

2384
01:57:35,035 --> 01:57:35,945
That's how I see

2385
01:57:35,945 --> 01:57:36,065
it.

2386
01:57:36,295 --> 01:57:39,435
Cause you have the space to, you're not constantly in fear of where's my

2387
01:57:39,435 --> 01:57:39,745
food.

2388
01:57:39,765 --> 01:57:40,525
No, exactly.

2389
01:57:40,525 --> 01:57:43,945
So, so to me, high time preference represents fear.

2390
01:57:43,955 --> 01:57:46,295
Low time preference represents love.

2391
01:57:46,945 --> 01:57:47,395
And Bitcoin is love.

2392
01:57:48,655 --> 01:57:49,415
There you go.

2393
01:57:49,415 --> 01:57:51,655
There's, there's your, uh, hippie quote for you.

2394
01:57:51,880 --> 01:57:52,470
When you

2395
01:57:52,490 --> 01:57:56,780
gave that presentation, Bitcoin is Love, it just meant so much.

2396
01:57:57,090 --> 01:57:58,590
It wasn't called that, I think.

2397
01:57:58,590 --> 01:58:01,440
Yeah, but that's what you, that was the gist of it.

2398
01:58:01,440 --> 01:58:01,840
Yeah, yeah.

2399
01:58:01,850 --> 01:58:03,100
It came out towards the end.

2400
01:58:04,960 --> 01:58:05,410
Is he?

2401
01:58:05,620 --> 01:58:05,950
Yeah.

2402
01:58:06,010 --> 01:58:06,970
I fucking love you, man.

2403
01:58:06,970 --> 01:58:07,500
Give us a hug.

2404
01:58:07,520 --> 01:58:07,960
I love you too.

2405
01:58:07,960 --> 01:58:11,970
I think this is a good point to end this on, and we'll go back to the conference.

2406
01:58:23,000 --> 01:58:23,580
bunch of them.

2407
01:58:23,970 --> 01:58:24,810
I'm giving you a hug too.

2408
01:58:28,730 --> 01:58:29,390
Wow,

2409
01:58:38,395 --> 01:58:39,215
Yeah, I love you, man.

2410
01:58:39,275 --> 01:58:39,565
Fade

2411
01:58:44,645 --> 01:58:45,045
to orange.