Bitcoin as a Framework for Excellence | Aleksandar Svetski | FFS #116

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Aleks,

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welcome back to the show.

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Knut, Luke.

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um,

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Are you sure it's Alex?

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Could be Francis.

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well, who knows?

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Who knows anyone's real

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yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So you're

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deepfakes.

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future harem owner, emperor of Macedonia,

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Yes, thank you.

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but that's not what we're talking about today, is it?

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We're talking about how we get there.

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How we get there?

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How do we get

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steps on the way with Bushido and with Satlantis.

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Bushido and Atlantis.

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Should we start with Bushido?

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Uh, yeah, let's do it.

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Yes, and Bushido is not a type of sushi.

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Uh,

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is, but it's also not.

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I mean, I don't know.

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I'm sure someone's got a Bushido sushi out there.

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like

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sushi.

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What's your favorite sushi?

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Anything to do with salmon?

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All right.

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I'm more of a tuna guy,

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but I like salmon too.

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Yeah.

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is very mercury laden.

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Yeah, but it's tasty.

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You need the fat.

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You need salmon belly.

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Okay.

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Maybe it's because I grew up in Scandinavia

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and I'm tired of, tired of salmon.

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Salmon is everywhere.

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I prefer Rainbow Trout.

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Rainbow

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Really?

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That's, that's more of, that's a, that's a big question.

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Orange fish as well,

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Yeah, it's a

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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yeah, well, well, it's a pride month after all.

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Wait, if it was pride month, shouldn't you go for a blue fish or some shit?

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So you've got blue.

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Oh,

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okay.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Anyway, let's get into the damn book.

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Yeah.

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So you've written a new book.

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It's called the Bushido of Bitcoin

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and it's about fascism.

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No.

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it's not about fascism.

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It's about salmon.

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No, it's not about salmon.

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It's about, tell us what it's about, please.

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God damn it, Knut.

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so this book came about as a result of a conversation between Erik Um, which was

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also entitled the Bushido of Bitcoin.

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Uh, it was episode 65 of the wake up podcast.

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And, uh, it was, he and I had both read a book, um, called Shogun by James Clavel,

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which you guys are familiar with, right?

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Classic.

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yeah.

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It's a, well, it's been turned into a television series twice, I believe.

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Twice.

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There's an old television series and a new one.

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I haven't watched either, but I guess I don't want to ruin the book for

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No, I watched the old one with my dad when

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I grew up and we really enjoyed it.

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There's, what I remember from it today is only one thing and that is

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that the old Japanese word for thank you is not arigato, it's wakarimasu,

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All right.

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Interesting,

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but I remember like nothing else.

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man.

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I love the Japanese language.

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It's literally, it's the, the, the Germans of Asia.

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They, uh, they really are like precision, like directness, like

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strength, even their, even their language is like more, you know, like

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direct and Germanic almost, but in an Asian sense, it's very interesting.

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But, um, anyway, so, um, That book, Shogun, really had an impact on me.

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I read it for the first time during the lockdowns.

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I was in Germany.

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And I didn't read it, sorry, I listened to it.

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I love listening to fiction.

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It's my new hobby.

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I refuse to read nonfiction books.

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I refuse to read, I refuse to listen to and I refuse to read nonfiction books.

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I think it's a complete waste of time after a certain age.

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Like once you've done a bunch, you already know what you need to know.

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I think fiction is the ultimate read and the ultimate read.

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Waiter consume fiction is to listen to it.

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Um, so that being said Shogun was like it was deeply impactful One of my favorite

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movies when I was younger was also the last samurai, you know, Tom Cruise aside

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the the the movie and you know What he did a great job in that movie actually,

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but the movie was Really powerful.

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It was really well done back when movies were still good, right?

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Edward Zwick was the, um, the director who did Legends of the Fall

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as well, which is a fantastic movie.

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And I've always had an affinity towards that culture, you know, in some sense,

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and when Cason and I did the podcast, we discussed the book quite a bit, the

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Shogun book, and we also discussed, like, this idea of Japanese virtues, which is

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what the word Bushido, essentially, is.

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implies, right?

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So Bushido means way of the warrior.

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Um, and it was, an unwritten code of conduct that samurai

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would do their best to live by.

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And those who lived by it would be considered Bushi,

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which was like, men of honor.

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War, or, or, or leaders at least, uh, in the samurai sort of culture.

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And I found that interesting, because you've got this sort of code of virtue,

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or what a lot of people call a moral code.

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I hate the word moral, so I try to avoid that, um, word these days.

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But like, a code of virtue, that in order to be considered a samurai,

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it wasn't just to be born a samurai, it was to behave as a samurai.

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And generally speaking, in Japanese feudal culture, The, uh, Bushido was

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made up of virtues such as justice, courage, honor, respect, loyalty, self

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control, hon uh, honesty, compassion,

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right?

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So, so it's usually, like, it wasn't like a written down.

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It wasn't a Magna Carta.

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It wasn't like, this is what you must do, but it was like a spoken tradition,

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like passed down, uh, by word of mouth.

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So, I found that interesting, and I wanted to write a book that looked at those

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virtues and how they related to Bitcoin.

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That was the original incarnation of the book.

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The book has changed dramatically since then.

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Um, I no longer discuss Bitcoin.

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So much about the relationship between virtues and bitcoin, except

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I do like a final page on each chapter of the virtues on that.

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but yeah, after seven drafts, 125, 000 bloody words, two years,

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like the book evolved quite a bit and it's something completely

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different to what it started out as.

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But anyway, that's kind of like the genesis story of the book where it came

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from what I originally wanted to do.

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And we can talk about.

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Where it went.

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And if you would, uh, explain the book in like five sentences, is there a TLDR

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on this book?

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a playbook for winning on a bitcoin standard.

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Or a playbook for how we redevelop civilization on a bitcoin standard.

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So if the, on a fiat standard, the playbook is, lie, cheat, steal, be

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a fucking weasel, get into politics, like, squirm, you know, do all of

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that sort of stuff, like, be you.

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You know, friends would clash swab or, you know, get into like Wall Street and like,

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find a way to be a parasite, basically.

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That's the playbook to win on a fiat standard, right?

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Because the, the, the framework within which you operate, uh, is

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such that being a parasite has an, has an economic edge, right?

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Whereas on a Bitcoin standard, there is like a, it's, it's, there's a different

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framework, you know, there's a price to being wrong, economically speaking.

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There is a, um, There is a price for bad behavior.

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There's sort of a cost to these things.

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And with that in mind, I ask the questions like, which virtues must

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we seek to adopt in order to not only win on a Bitcoin standard, but also

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to build a culture of vitality, of strength, of beauty, and of ascendance?

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Because that's the only kind of culture that can build civilization.

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So, so won't this happen automatically though?

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Because, because, uh, those, those who adopt these virtues

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will win on a Bitcoin standard.

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Uh, it's, it's a bit self reinforcing there, yes.

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Um, but I don't think it's enough.

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I don't think it just happens automatically.

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I think those who go and actively inculcate these virtues

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will win harder basically.

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All right.

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This makes me think of our, our last episode where we discussed

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a lot of, a lot of this thing.

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So, so like, uh, the quality being the opposite of equality,

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for instance.

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So, so I guess that's, uh, and

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reminds me again about the melee quote about it's more important to awaken

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the lions than to herd the sheep.

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exactly.

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Exactly.

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That's, that's the whole premise here.

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So it's like.

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We, Bitcoin will go a long way to establishing a framework

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for excellence, right?

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But it's, we have to actively build something excellent and beautiful, right?

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And this goes on about, um, we, we can't just like sort of get Bitcoin

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and sit back and, you know, do nothing.

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Or, we can't just get a bunch of Bitcoin and get really rich and

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then just buy Lambos and Like, we have a duty to build something more

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profound, more deep, more lasting.

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Why?

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Why?

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Because we're human, we're here, and if we don't, nobody else will.

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So, if we don't, like, if we, if, if you leave a vacuum, of power.

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If you leave a vacuum of leadership, it will be filled by something.

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And like, this is sort of, I guess if you really want to sort

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of scale up, it's like, why?

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Because of entropy.

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Entropy is always going to break everything down.

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And the, the parasites, the ugly people, the, you know, the globalists, those

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people are essentially agents of entropy and they want to suck everything out

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of the system for their own benefit.

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An agent of life, an agent of culture, an agent of civilization

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seeks to push back against that.

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And this is almost, you know, if you look at why did the warriors choose to fight?

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And there was a great distinction that Cason gave us yesterday, right?

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The difference between a soldier and a warrior

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is, um, is a warrior is someone who feels compelled to fight.

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To claim space, to defend, to stand up for something.

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Because he doesn't have to, he can just sit back and do nothing.

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Where as a soldier just follows orders.

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Yeah, uh, I mean, this is fascinating and it's, I mean, there's a lot of similar

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threads to our book, I guess, uh, but, so, hmm, makes me think, um, it makes me

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try to figure out the question because there's so much, uh, there's so much

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to, to think about along these lines.

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So, so.

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So, so what, okay.

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So what is the common Bitcoiner of today getting wrong?

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Like how are Bitcoiners in general wrong about stuff today?

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Yeah, I mean, people think Bitcoin is just an economic tool.

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I mean, a lot of Bitcoiners think of it more as an economic tool.

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And, you know, I mean, people have called it everything from mushrooms,

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to God, to yoga, to potatoes, to fucking everything, right?

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I don't know.

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So, Bitcoiners, I think, are seeking something more in Bitcoin

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and of Bitcoin, which is good.

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You know, we're all sort of striving for something.

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Where I think a lot of Bitcoiners get some things wrong is, you know,

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I was walking through the stage today and someone was saying, like, you

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know, now we live in the Bitcoin era and trust is no longer important.

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You know, I was like, no, no, it's like, just because.

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You know, Bitcoin is a trustless system doesn't mean that you

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just extend that everywhere.

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Like, you know, trust is a fundamentally important institution and trust is

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something you earn, you develop, um, with people that you're connected to, etc.

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So in fact, trust will become ever more important, probably,

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Absolutely.

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I mean, it's the reputational capital is like the truth is

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the currency of the future.

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Like Bitcoin represents that, but it's truth itself.

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That is, that is the

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valuable thing,

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And this is what you touched on there is that As much as Bitcoin can

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represent or offer a framework for it, it is the thing that we're after,

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we're not after the Bitcoin, right?

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it's it's exactly like

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you're not, you don't want money because the money itself you want because of the

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things in unlocks like, and it's the same with truth.

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This is a tool to find truth.

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But yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's As we, we argue in our book, it's

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like, uh, Bitcoin is not the signal.

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It's just the greatest noise remover ever created.

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Like it's, it's, it's great at removing noise, but it's not the signal itself.

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And I think that some, some people do not make that distinction.

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So, on that, there's, I mean, I can just pull a couple threads out of the book, so

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things like, um, Excellence is one of the virtues that I write deeply about in the

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book and just to sort of give people an idea of how I approach each of the virtues

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is I spend the first couple pages on, well let me actually break down how the

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book works first, then we talk about the virtues, then we talk about excellence.

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Um, particularly I want to talk, I want to hit excellence, beauty and power.

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They're the three,

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three topics that are really important that Bitcoiners completely misunderstand.

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The structure in the book, it's made up of six parts.

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Part one is like a really long prelude where I just come out swinging

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about like, equality is a scam, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah,

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blah, a couple things like that.

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Then I do a, A section on, um, origins, where I look at, basically it's a

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history of feudal Japan, how it emerged, how the samurai arose, and then I

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look at parallels in the West, and it's very interesting how the knightly

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class or the warrior class emerged in two different places, at around the

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same time, in a similar social, uh, social structure, which was feudalism.

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Like, they both developed feudalism at the same fucking time, and

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they were completely disconnected.

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The medieval West of Europe, and the Medieval, uh, East of Japan.

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May I just pop in with a question there?

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Does this have anything to do with the evolution of bodily armor?

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Yeah,

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s Yes, yes, and no.

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Like, yes, they both somehow developed their own armor, but

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the armor was quite different.

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Japanese armor was less metallic, whereas European armor was more metallic.

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Um, and also they both developed swords in a similar way.

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Japanese swords were quite different to the European swords, but it was

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the sword preceded the armor by like hundreds of

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years at least, right?

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It did, but the kind of swords that were used at the time were special.

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Yeah.

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So the um, so that section of the book goes down that rabbit hole.

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It's like, what's this history?

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And then the third section of the book is where the greatest meat is, where each

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chapter of the third section is a virtue.

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Then the fourth section of the book is called integration.

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And I look at the challenges, and this is really, really important.

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Really where I dig into a lot of areas where Bitcoiners get things wrong.

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I actually asked the question about does material wealth actually

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just lead to cultural decay?

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Is that something we're always going to be stuck with?

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Can we ever escape the cycles?

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How do we integrate the difference between civilian and military culture?

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Because you look at civilian culture, Optimizes for comfort and

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for safety whereas military culture optimizes for adversity and danger.

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Military culture or warrior culture Establishes the best and most robust

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virtues where civilian cultures generally degrade in terms of their

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virtues So how can we figure out a way to mesh them and can we even so

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lots of difficult questions there

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Is there a bit of fourth turning in this?

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Possibly, but I hate that book, so I tried to avoid, um, you know, too

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much of that book, but there is a bit of that probably in there, just

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by it being in my subconscious, having painfully read that thing.

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Um, so, fourth section, integration.

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I deal with a lot of the problems in there, um, money, power, beauty, all

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this sort of stuff goes in there.

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Fifth section is, uh, entitled Praxis, where I spend a bunch of chapters looking

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at rites of passage, What are the tools, the um, the skills, the things that we

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need to develop if we are to take back the world and re establish a new culture.

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So I look at everything from learning to use bitcoin, learning to store your

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keys, up through to what it takes to be an entrepreneur, you never know.

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To, um, to write, to create, to think, to produce, and all that sort of stuff.

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So I look at, uh, stuff like that and fight everything.

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And then finally, the chapter at the end is, uh, basically looking forward.

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So I call it Warriorhood in the 22nd century.

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And I then look at what the future will look like.

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I make a case for meritocratic feudalism, or what I like to call an aritocracy.

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Which is arete in Greek means excellence So it's a I believe that

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Bitcoin will establish a framework for excellence, which is a different type

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of culture It's not just meritocratic.

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It's aretocratic.

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so it's aritocracy and not aristocracy.

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I mean, it's a little bit different Yeah, so so I look at that and then I

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finish the book on some really couple deep topics about territory about I

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have a chapter called beauty will save the world which is one of the chapters

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I'm most proud of Um, and then I finish on a new heroic age, which is sort of

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like a call to what's coming, et cetera.

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So that's the six sections of the book.

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It's quite

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All right.

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Um, there's a brain fart here.

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Um, over the years people have had, uh, a lot of different like views

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on what Bitcoin is and ought to be.

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So like the.

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Uh, PayPal 2.

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0 people, they are not here anymore because they were wrong.

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Bitcoin wasn't that, it was something else.

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And, uh, it's sort of the narratives we put on it, like for now, like

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Bitcoin will save the global South.

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That might be a false narrative.

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Bitcoin DCA ing is the best way to invest in Bitcoin.

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And all of a sudden DCA ing doesn't work very well anymore.

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So like, uh, aren't you afraid that your, your point of view here is,

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is like that Bitcoin is going to go another direction and not do what

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you want it to or expect it to do?

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Aren't you?

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Like, are you, well, is there something in observing rather than, you know,

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actively pushing for a narrative?

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Like, how do you see that?

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Yeah, interesting.

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So I try and not care about how Bitcoin will be used, um,

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and what people think it is.

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And that's why my definition as a framework for excellence

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and beauty is like quite broad.

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Because What it means is that Bitcoin is a medium exchange, it will bank the

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unbanked, it will help the global south, it is a great DCA tool, it is a great

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savings tool, it is a great store of value, it is all of these things, and it

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is different things to different people at different times, right, so the PayPal 2.

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0 guys were right when they were right, And wrong when they were wrong.

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And it is a great payments system.

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It is a great payments mechanism for people who want to buy stuff, you know, on

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the download and all that sort of stuff.

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So it works for all of these things.

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So for me, I think what's more important and what I wanted to discover in the

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book is something more like culturally speaking, what does Bitcoin do to culture?

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And what does it do?

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Or what impact does it have on civilization?

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And for me, The reason why Framework for Excellence and Beauty is

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like a, the way to distill it is,

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excellence is a result of, um, exceeding average and basically being rewarded for

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doing the thing that works consistently,

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and at least in my understanding, you know, and we discussed this on

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the boat yesterday, it's like, I, I don't subscribe to all the freedom

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maximalism and all this sort of shit.

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Bitcoin is more responsibility money than it is freedom money.

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And you fuck up with your bitcoin, there's nobody coming to bail

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you out, which means it forces either destitution or excellence.

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There's no middle ground, so it's like, it's very raw, it's very brutal,

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it's not about helping people, it's about helping the people who choose to

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respect it and be responsible with it.

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Yeah.

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So, so this is the, the, the thing you always hear is that

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responsibility is the flip side of the freedom coin when it's actually

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The other way around.

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So you get the freedom from being responsible.

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Ah, it's great.

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We were talking about this today, actually, uh, about basically that

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companies don't do anything anymore.

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All these zombie companies that just do this and that we have a whole thing in the

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book about all the lubrication companies, the things that make the government dildo

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a little bit easier to take basically.

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But, but the thing about this is that if people were just to take personal

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responsibility and pride in their work and what they do, Things could

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be so much better anyway, but the incentive is just to keep doing the

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easy thing, the lazy thing, right?

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And so, and so changing, changing it around, right?

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Into something where you actually only get value.

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If you do better than, I don't know, some baseline, I'm sure, I'm sure it's going to

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be possible to get value for whatever it is, do a service for someone and you get

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something back, but it's going to be, I don't know, subsistence level, but to get,

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to get above that, you have to provide

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yeah, Fiat is a framework for average, right?

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So everything slowly by slowly by slowly descends into like

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one big gray goo, right?

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And Bitcoin is like a framework for excellence where you get mountain peaks

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and the word excellence means It derives from the word mountain or the meaning

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of mountain Egg Solaire is like the, um, the, the Latin and then the, there's a

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proto European root in there, of climbing a mountain, ascending above the average.

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That's essentially what it means.

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And these words, like, to just quickly tie it back to the book, is at the beginning

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of each chapter of the virtues section of the book, I spend two pages on Japanese

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etymology, Chinese etymology, English, Latin, and Greek, and Proto Indo European,

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and you'd be amazed how these disparate languages and cultures, the meaning from

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the kanjis to the functional elements of the words in English and Latin and

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everything, mean the same fucking thing.

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Excellence in Japanese, completely disconnected language, the kanji

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drawings, what they, what the character, what the characters represent, is the

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same thing as what the, uh, Elements of the words in English represent

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Language is such an incredible concept.

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what did, uh, Cason call him syphilis, syphilis, syphilis, syphilis, Syphilis.

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What, what's the, the, syphilis, the rolls, the.

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Pebble.

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you there for that?

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His Freudian slip in the, in the, in his first talk.

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It was, it was hilarious.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Eric did great.

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So, so speaking of responsibility, like if everyone was responsible, every single

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human being and responsible, we wouldn't need Bitcoin because then they wouldn't

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abuse the money printer at all because that's irresponsible by its very nature.

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And they would respect property rights and not do crap like that.

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So, so Bitcoin in that sense is a way for people who are responsible

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to respond, to respond.

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To, to, to respond and to fucking win.

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to organize ourselves without, without having to trust

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irresponsible, irresponsible people.

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Idiots,

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with our

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Exactly.

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And that is exactly why, so, so when you asked your question

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earlier, it's like, aren't you afraid that, uh, it might change?

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Bitcoin can do whatever it wants, you know, at the end of the

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day, it is responsibility money.

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And like, I don't know if, did you guys ever read that article

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that I did a couple years ago, Responsibility Go Up Technology?

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remember that one.

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Yeah,

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Yeah, so that was like, I was trying to push that narrative.

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It's like, this is responsibility money.

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Let's quit talking about fucking freedom like a bunch of children.

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Like, freedom is for adolescents.

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Responsibility is for adults.

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Right?

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Like, that's really, when you grow up, you start to realize that responsibility is

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what comes upstream of fucking freedom.

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If you're a freedom maximalist, you just tell me you haven't fucking grown up yet.

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That's it.

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Seriously.

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Because, like, life isn't about growing up and just being fucking free all the time.

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No, no, no.

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You have to there's a consequence.

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And I would say the word Bitcoin maximalist is closer to

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responsibility maximalist than it is to freedom maximalist.

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If you understand what it actually means.

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But if you're one of the idiots who are running, Oh, I'm a bitcoin

483
00:24:35,388 --> 00:24:36,108
maximalist and I'm a freedom maximalist.

484
00:24:36,128 --> 00:24:36,668
No, you're an idiot.

485
00:24:38,328 --> 00:24:39,508
Do we need to rename the show, Knut?

486
00:24:39,508 --> 00:24:42,738
RFS is a little bit of a less good.

487
00:24:43,238 --> 00:24:43,858
Responsibility

488
00:24:44,028 --> 00:24:45,948
yeah, the responsibility footprint.

489
00:24:45,948 --> 00:24:46,688
But, uh, yeah.

490
00:24:47,182 --> 00:24:47,842
I like it better.

491
00:24:48,067 --> 00:24:53,797
well, if, um, if carbon footprint is the carbon cutout, like if

492
00:24:53,797 --> 00:24:57,907
it is the, if that's the tape template, like, I mean, the, the

493
00:24:57,912 --> 00:25:00,247
word responsibility is so misused.

494
00:25:00,337 --> 00:25:05,557
I mean, the, the, the, the alarmists use it a lot like fly responsibility,

495
00:25:05,617 --> 00:25:09,757
uh, like this EU thing here with a bottle cap, not being able to

496
00:25:09,812 --> 00:25:10,212
Fuck,

497
00:25:10,237 --> 00:25:10,507
go

498
00:25:10,642 --> 00:25:11,312
that so

499
00:25:11,437 --> 00:25:11,707
oh.

500
00:25:12,127 --> 00:25:15,717
Uh, yeah, and nobody, uh, no, every environmentalist

501
00:25:15,717 --> 00:25:17,067
is like, Oh, it's so good.

502
00:25:17,577 --> 00:25:20,067
And they know nothing about the alternative cost and what it

503
00:25:20,067 --> 00:25:25,047
costed, what the carbon footprint of reorganizing every fucking factory.

504
00:25:25,297 --> 00:25:28,957
Like, I mean, it's so, it's so weird.

505
00:25:29,132 --> 00:25:30,402
Don't get me started on this thing.

506
00:25:30,402 --> 00:25:32,472
It's so, it's enraging.

507
00:25:32,482 --> 00:25:35,352
Like, cause I live in a real country called Brazil.

508
00:25:35,782 --> 00:25:38,132
Um, not this fake European shit these days.

509
00:25:38,162 --> 00:25:41,242
And like, it's this, I don't see this until I come here.

510
00:25:41,242 --> 00:25:42,342
And every time I come to Europe, I'm like, fuck.

511
00:25:42,422 --> 00:25:43,902
Fucking hell, just give me the bottle.

512
00:25:44,302 --> 00:25:44,882
Give me the cap.

513
00:25:45,442 --> 00:25:47,172
Like, and I'm always, that's why it's like I'm fighting with

514
00:25:47,197 --> 00:25:48,947
what's, what's that expression?

515
00:25:48,957 --> 00:25:52,672
Like, uh, America innovates, uh, Asia

516
00:25:53,502 --> 00:25:55,012
Copies and Europe regulates.

517
00:25:55,132 --> 00:25:56,152
They, they don't copy.

518
00:25:56,152 --> 00:25:59,002
They, they, there was something other eights, what, what is it?

519
00:25:59,502 --> 00:25:59,742
and

520
00:25:59,742 --> 00:26:00,342
and Europe

521
00:26:00,362 --> 00:26:01,022
it was good enough,

522
00:26:01,092 --> 00:26:01,272
Yeah.

523
00:26:01,272 --> 00:26:01,482
yeah.

524
00:26:01,522 --> 00:26:01,842
yeah.

525
00:26:02,222 --> 00:26:04,552
Let me, hold on, you know what, I saved the meme somewhere, so

526
00:26:04,742 --> 00:26:05,922
you talk while I find this meme.

527
00:26:06,442 --> 00:26:09,722
Well, I think the freedom thing, though.

528
00:26:10,222 --> 00:26:11,582
I think freedom from.

529
00:26:12,282 --> 00:26:12,432
Yeah,

530
00:26:12,432 --> 00:26:13,482
China replicates.

531
00:26:13,632 --> 00:26:14,142
Yeah, Yeah.

532
00:26:14,142 --> 00:26:14,143
Yeah.

533
00:26:14,682 --> 00:26:14,742
of

534
00:26:14,762 --> 00:26:15,032
Yeah.

535
00:26:15,162 --> 00:26:15,442
Yeah.

536
00:26:16,352 --> 00:26:19,202
America innovates, China replicates, Europe regulates.

537
00:26:19,212 --> 00:26:19,742
Very good.

538
00:26:19,852 --> 00:26:20,272
Very good.

539
00:26:21,362 --> 00:26:22,752
So I think, I think freedom.

540
00:26:23,527 --> 00:26:25,617
Freedom from is a goal.

541
00:26:25,907 --> 00:26:29,087
Freedom from coercion, essentially.

542
00:26:29,107 --> 00:26:30,407
That's, that's the goal.

543
00:26:30,677 --> 00:26:33,287
But within that, taking responsibility is the thing.

544
00:26:33,287 --> 00:26:36,837
And I mean, this is, this is what I first got from basically

545
00:26:36,837 --> 00:26:38,127
everything Jordan Peterson did.

546
00:26:38,612 --> 00:26:40,662
Uh, maps and meaning, this type of thing.

547
00:26:40,662 --> 00:26:44,112
It's, it's basically a call to take responsibility and just

548
00:26:44,182 --> 00:26:45,572
sort of grow yourself, right?

549
00:26:45,922 --> 00:26:48,712
Distill all of his work down to a message of responsibility.

550
00:26:49,182 --> 00:26:50,252
And that's why it's so powerful.

551
00:26:50,272 --> 00:26:54,942
And that's why, that's why it became such a, a meme

552
00:26:55,562 --> 00:26:56,052
Because,

553
00:26:56,072 --> 00:26:59,432
we, everyone's been craving responsibility for so long and they've

554
00:26:59,432 --> 00:27:02,942
been told to not be responsible, to abdicate responsibility, blah,

555
00:27:02,942 --> 00:27:03,932
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

556
00:27:04,272 --> 00:27:08,212
And in the process of doing that, you, you feel empty.

557
00:27:08,222 --> 00:27:10,012
So you asked me before, why?

558
00:27:10,362 --> 00:27:11,832
Remember, I said, it's, it's our duty.

559
00:27:11,832 --> 00:27:13,502
It's our responsibility to build something.

560
00:27:13,502 --> 00:27:15,912
It's because if we don't, you just feel fucking dead inside, empty inside.

561
00:27:15,912 --> 00:27:17,842
You become nihilistic and you descend.

562
00:27:18,897 --> 00:27:21,707
And life should be about ascension.

563
00:27:21,907 --> 00:27:24,837
Not because I said so, but because it actually makes you feel alive.

564
00:27:24,892 --> 00:27:26,262
It's the metaphorical hell,

565
00:27:26,269 --> 00:27:26,409
It

566
00:27:26,529 --> 00:27:31,564
Yeah, Yeah, and, uh, the reason it got so popular with Peterson in particular is

567
00:27:31,564 --> 00:27:35,754
that, uh, especially young men haven't, uh, hadn't been told this for, for

568
00:27:35,764 --> 00:27:38,214
ages, uh, rather it was frowned upon.

569
00:27:38,284 --> 00:27:42,464
Like, uh, you were supposed to not take responsibility.

570
00:27:42,484 --> 00:27:45,944
Like that's a mainstream thing, you know, as, you know, toxic

571
00:27:45,984 --> 00:27:47,944
masculinity is just that, uh,

572
00:27:48,564 --> 00:27:51,174
like clean your room and wash your dick might be a meme, but

573
00:27:51,204 --> 00:27:52,364
you should do those things.

574
00:27:52,654 --> 00:27:52,834
yeah.

575
00:27:52,834 --> 00:27:56,194
And brush your teeth and like, subscribe and all of that's,

576
00:27:56,244 --> 00:27:57,434
You should do all those things as well.

577
00:27:58,544 --> 00:28:01,244
No, but, but, but it total, total seriousness though.

578
00:28:01,244 --> 00:28:03,804
Like that's the thread.

579
00:28:04,404 --> 00:28:06,324
Was that your guys that was cringe face?

580
00:28:06,324 --> 00:28:06,444
Yeah.

581
00:28:06,444 --> 00:28:06,464
Yeah.

582
00:28:07,329 --> 00:28:07,789
Sorry, what?

583
00:28:07,934 --> 00:28:09,814
Was that your, guys, that was too

584
00:28:10,019 --> 00:28:10,489
A little bit.

585
00:28:10,594 --> 00:28:10,774
yeah.

586
00:28:10,774 --> 00:28:11,821
The cringe

587
00:28:12,274 --> 00:28:14,254
The, the cringe just comes with the territory

588
00:28:14,437 --> 00:28:15,484
then that

589
00:28:15,534 --> 00:28:17,574
The, the, the map is the territory in

590
00:28:17,614 --> 00:28:19,894
taking responsibility for my listeners, you know?

591
00:28:19,984 --> 00:28:20,254
Yeah,

592
00:28:20,489 --> 00:28:20,929
I'm glad.

593
00:28:22,269 --> 00:28:23,009
Now we have fun.

594
00:28:24,139 --> 00:28:26,769
I love the language connections there.

595
00:28:27,459 --> 00:28:30,829
Language is fascinating to me, and just the connections between

596
00:28:30,829 --> 00:28:33,709
different languages, going all the way to the roots, I mean, good on

597
00:28:33,719 --> 00:28:35,969
you'll be like a kid in the candy store reading this man, honestly.

598
00:28:36,449 --> 00:28:38,379
Yeah, seriously, you're gonna, it's gonna be a lot of fun.

599
00:28:38,449 --> 00:28:39,249
Looking forward to it.

600
00:28:39,849 --> 00:28:42,459
Did you want to touch on anything else specific on the

601
00:28:42,529 --> 00:28:42,759
Yeah.

602
00:28:42,759 --> 00:28:45,309
So we said, um, we said, what are the things that Bitcoiners

603
00:28:45,749 --> 00:28:47,049
don't understand that are covered?

604
00:28:47,049 --> 00:28:48,559
So I think excellence was one of those.

605
00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:53,134
So we went on a bit of a roundabout, but excellence being I think Bitcoiners are

606
00:28:53,144 --> 00:28:57,129
very, very, very prone, like it's even in their language, we are all Satoshi.

607
00:28:57,129 --> 00:28:59,934
Virus innumerus, you know, like they just like parrot these things.

608
00:28:59,934 --> 00:29:02,134
It's like, no motherfucker, you're not Satoshi.

609
00:29:02,444 --> 00:29:03,644
You didn't fucking do shit.

610
00:29:03,724 --> 00:29:04,304
Um.

611
00:29:05,169 --> 00:29:11,219
You know, go and be who you are and like build something like also I hate the pleb

612
00:29:11,219 --> 00:29:14,799
moniker like you know I've been going on about this for a while right like you

613
00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:19,729
don't want to be a pleb you want to be you want to be a noble and and that's

614
00:29:19,729 --> 00:29:24,789
one of the big uh things I discussed in the book like nobility meant excellent

615
00:29:24,829 --> 00:29:29,149
nobility like the the noble classes came out of warrior classes generally right

616
00:29:29,499 --> 00:29:35,014
and to to be noble meant to be magnanimous to be a Uh, an example of all of these

617
00:29:35,014 --> 00:29:39,904
virtues that I discuss in the book, like the samurai were part of the noble class,

618
00:29:40,154 --> 00:29:45,694
um, they were the base of the noble class, and being a fucking pleb, like, and self

619
00:29:45,694 --> 00:29:50,324
calling yourself a pleb is just like, degrading yourself, number one, and number

620
00:29:50,324 --> 00:29:57,944
two, it is a, it is a, uh, what's the word, like a, um, it is promoting the idea

621
00:29:57,944 --> 00:30:02,714
of being an average person, And average to me is just anti excellence, like

622
00:30:02,809 --> 00:30:03,749
middle of the bell curve.

623
00:30:03,824 --> 00:30:08,304
it's middle of the fucking bell curve, average, mid wit, it is the most

624
00:30:08,459 --> 00:30:10,039
used ironically a lot though?

625
00:30:10,794 --> 00:30:11,224
In what sense?

626
00:30:11,749 --> 00:30:15,809
That people call themselves plebs when they really mean, oh, you know,

627
00:30:15,809 --> 00:30:17,929
excellent Bitcoiner and not like normies.

628
00:30:18,714 --> 00:30:20,774
No, really, no, I think that, you know, I'm just a pleb.

629
00:30:21,314 --> 00:30:22,944
You see it in the language, it's a,

630
00:30:23,264 --> 00:30:24,214
I'm just another person.

631
00:30:24,224 --> 00:30:27,554
I'll back you up on this a little bit, that there's a humility

632
00:30:27,554 --> 00:30:28,984
angle in a positive sense.

633
00:30:29,944 --> 00:30:36,704
Humility in the sense of that, uh, that the self doesn't want, the person saying

634
00:30:36,704 --> 00:30:39,424
this wants to just check themselves.

635
00:30:39,569 --> 00:30:40,709
So that's the question.

636
00:30:40,719 --> 00:30:40,989
What do

637
00:30:40,989 --> 00:30:42,089
you think of the expression?

638
00:30:42,089 --> 00:30:43,629
Stay humble and stack sats.

639
00:30:43,754 --> 00:30:45,854
actually like that one, but that's got nothing to do with being a pleb.

640
00:30:46,239 --> 00:30:50,389
So staying humble is not about, uh, virtue signaling

641
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:50,969
basically.

642
00:30:51,069 --> 00:30:51,169
Yeah.

643
00:30:51,234 --> 00:30:53,754
no, exactly, humility is actually a noble trait.

644
00:30:54,694 --> 00:30:57,714
You know, and if you're going around there calling yourself a pleb, you're

645
00:30:57,714 --> 00:31:01,774
doing it to have a fucking badge of honor, which is not staying humble.

646
00:31:02,194 --> 00:31:02,714
It's the opposite.

647
00:31:03,894 --> 00:31:04,504
Good argument.

648
00:31:04,629 --> 00:31:05,679
Very good argument.

649
00:31:05,679 --> 00:31:06,279
Yeah.

650
00:31:06,594 --> 00:31:10,044
like, and people do it to fit in, you know, like to conform.

651
00:31:10,044 --> 00:31:10,824
Oh, I'm another pleb.

652
00:31:10,824 --> 00:31:11,934
Like, there was this moron

653
00:31:12,049 --> 00:31:12,299
at me.

654
00:31:12,299 --> 00:31:12,889
I'm also a Bitcoiner.

655
00:31:13,139 --> 00:31:16,399
Exactly, like, there was this other, man, it just made me laugh so much,

656
00:31:16,399 --> 00:31:18,789
there was this idiot on Nostr that I got into an argument with, and he's

657
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:21,889
like, Svetsky, stay out, like he was screeching about the whole breed love

658
00:31:21,889 --> 00:31:24,099
thing, and I was like, bro, just fucking leave the guy alone, he can do whatever

659
00:31:24,099 --> 00:31:26,679
the fuck he wants, you know, most of you fucking nerds are just jealous,

660
00:31:26,679 --> 00:31:30,129
basically, that's what I said, and he's like, Fucking stay out of it, Svetsky,

661
00:31:30,419 --> 00:31:34,319
you know, we know who you are, the plebs are watching, and I was like, What

662
00:31:35,299 --> 00:31:37,289
does that even mean, you fucking dork?

663
00:31:37,769 --> 00:31:38,529
Who are you?

664
00:31:38,699 --> 00:31:41,589
Like, you've got fucking three followers on, you know, thingo,

665
00:31:41,629 --> 00:31:42,899
like you're a nobody, number one.

666
00:31:43,209 --> 00:31:46,449
And number two is like, you know, we know, like, what do you know, bro?

667
00:31:46,449 --> 00:31:47,579
Like, who the fuck are you?

668
00:31:48,009 --> 00:31:50,859
And the best part about it was like, you know, he's sitting there

669
00:31:50,859 --> 00:31:52,029
screeching and all this sort of stuff.

670
00:31:52,099 --> 00:31:56,789
And I looked at his account and he retweeted his own thing.

671
00:31:56,849 --> 00:31:57,869
And he liked his own thing.

672
00:31:57,869 --> 00:31:58,979
Like there was nobody else.

673
00:31:59,069 --> 00:31:59,414
Like, you

674
00:31:59,414 --> 00:32:06,019
know that this This false humility, uh, it it reminds me of, uh, the attitude

675
00:32:06,019 --> 00:32:10,749
in Sweden growing up, like, like the, everyone's, you're supposed to not,

676
00:32:10,949 --> 00:32:13,779
uh, to know that you're not better than

677
00:32:13,779 --> 00:32:14,649
anyone else.

678
00:32:15,169 --> 00:32:15,939
And, and that is.

679
00:32:16,049 --> 00:32:17,739
like everywhere in the society.

680
00:32:17,999 --> 00:32:21,259
And like, that's one of the reasons I left the country because I hate it.

681
00:32:21,609 --> 00:32:27,179
Uh, uh, but it is, it's, it's somewhat in my DNA to not, not stand out.

682
00:32:27,179 --> 00:32:29,549
And I hate marketing for instance, because of this.

683
00:32:29,689 --> 00:32:34,409
But Skin in the Game by Taleb had a huge impact on me because it's like,

684
00:32:34,419 --> 00:32:38,179
you have to have something to lose in order to, to, to achieve something.

685
00:32:38,639 --> 00:32:42,489
And, and like embracing this more and more, I realized that like,

686
00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:48,279
not striving for the best you can be is also a very ego thing to do.

687
00:32:48,299 --> 00:32:52,349
Like letting your vanity and being, being, being afraid of stuff

688
00:32:52,639 --> 00:32:55,049
dictate the course of your life.

689
00:32:55,429 --> 00:32:57,089
That is just us.

690
00:32:57,324 --> 00:33:03,174
Narcissistic as, as bragging, because being proud of stuff

691
00:33:03,194 --> 00:33:04,444
you did is not bragging.

692
00:33:04,444 --> 00:33:06,864
It's just like, I put my fucking heart and

693
00:33:06,864 --> 00:33:08,864
soul into this thing and I'm fucking proud of it.

694
00:33:08,894 --> 00:33:10,284
We're proud of this show.

695
00:33:10,284 --> 00:33:11,334
We're proud of the new book.

696
00:33:11,344 --> 00:33:11,704
We're not

697
00:33:11,704 --> 00:33:12,664
afraid to say it.

698
00:33:13,084 --> 00:33:13,694
It's yeah.

699
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:15,159
And there's a difference there.

700
00:33:15,269 --> 00:33:18,699
it really isn't that that's kind of reminds me of what Nietzsche discussed

701
00:33:18,699 --> 00:33:22,139
like, you know, 120 years ago when he talked about the last man, right?

702
00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:24,889
So the last man is who would we will call the the lemmings

703
00:33:24,909 --> 00:33:26,369
or the NPCs these days, right?

704
00:33:26,759 --> 00:33:31,709
And last man was the archetype of person who Had a cynical streak, they

705
00:33:31,709 --> 00:33:34,519
would see greatness, they would see beauty, they would see excellence,

706
00:33:34,519 --> 00:33:36,009
and he predicted this kind of person.

707
00:33:36,009 --> 00:33:39,989
He's like, this is the kind of person that will make up society in

708
00:33:39,989 --> 00:33:42,439
the West in the coming centuries.

709
00:33:42,439 --> 00:33:45,529
And he was more right than anybody else in history, in my opinion.

710
00:33:45,974 --> 00:33:50,274
And he said, this kind of person will be marked by a cynicism of greatness

711
00:33:50,274 --> 00:33:56,374
or a cynicism of beauty and want to find, uh, like, uh, almost like

712
00:33:56,384 --> 00:33:59,994
wear cynicism as a badge of honor or wear average as a badge of honor.

713
00:34:00,014 --> 00:34:02,014
I am, you're great.

714
00:34:02,014 --> 00:34:03,744
No, that's, that's not cool.

715
00:34:03,764 --> 00:34:05,374
Like, it's cool to be part of the

716
00:34:05,374 --> 00:34:05,884
masses or the

717
00:34:05,954 --> 00:34:10,874
finding literally any flaw in what someone says, any inconsistency is just an

718
00:34:10,874 --> 00:34:13,104
excuse to throw away everything they say.

719
00:34:13,304 --> 00:34:15,814
A good, a good, a good example would be crabs in a bucket.

720
00:34:15,844 --> 00:34:16,164
Right?

721
00:34:16,194 --> 00:34:18,614
So the last man was, uh, a.

722
00:34:19,099 --> 00:34:23,369
Crabs in a bucket, like, pull everything down into one massive homogenous fucking

723
00:34:23,369 --> 00:34:26,359
grey goo, and that's what the world has largely become, and I think there's

724
00:34:26,359 --> 00:34:31,479
going to be a renaissance of, uh, of the opposite, which is kind of this

725
00:34:31,499 --> 00:34:36,029
Nietzschean, uh, desire, like, and this is why I love the concept of a will to power,

726
00:34:36,029 --> 00:34:39,469
is like, it, it is a internal drive.

727
00:34:39,809 --> 00:34:44,033
That makes you like, desire, or like, you know, there's a Greek word called

728
00:34:44,103 --> 00:34:47,473
apothos, right, which is what they say drove Alexander to the ends of the earth.

729
00:34:47,483 --> 00:34:51,613
He wasn't doing it for the fucking money, he wanted to see the end of the earth.

730
00:34:52,293 --> 00:34:54,423
Something that no man had ever seen before, right?

731
00:34:54,703 --> 00:34:58,823
So that inner drive is basically What Nietzsche would have called

732
00:34:58,823 --> 00:35:02,303
the will to power, which is the drive to build something beautiful,

733
00:35:02,303 --> 00:35:05,263
to create something, to do this show, to like reach for something.

734
00:35:05,773 --> 00:35:11,323
And that is completely contradictory to Average, and the

735
00:35:11,593 --> 00:35:11,833
Yeah.

736
00:35:11,873 --> 00:35:12,133
Yeah.

737
00:35:12,253 --> 00:35:13,663
NPC, and the non agent.

738
00:35:13,783 --> 00:35:14,213
Okay.

739
00:35:14,493 --> 00:35:19,483
So this reminds me of a thing from our book that I would

740
00:35:19,483 --> 00:35:20,643
love to pick your brain about.

741
00:35:20,973 --> 00:35:25,963
And it's like another term that I think, uh, Bitcoiners misuse a lot.

742
00:35:25,993 --> 00:35:27,023
And it's the word proof of

743
00:35:27,023 --> 00:35:27,433
work.

744
00:35:27,948 --> 00:35:32,068
Because to me, like proof of work is very close to labor theory of value.

745
00:35:32,468 --> 00:35:36,298
And it's the proof of results is the thing that matters.

746
00:35:36,638 --> 00:35:39,878
How you got the results, it's, it's none of your business.

747
00:35:39,958 --> 00:35:43,398
Like it's like the, I mean, we've been talking about this before when talking

748
00:35:43,398 --> 00:35:45,628
about maths and how they teach maths.

749
00:35:45,638 --> 00:35:45,898
Right.

750
00:35:45,948 --> 00:35:50,748
And, uh, why does the teacher care how you got to the result?

751
00:35:50,748 --> 00:35:52,028
If the result is correct.

752
00:35:52,348 --> 00:35:55,228
And I, I think that it's, it's a very overrated term.

753
00:35:55,228 --> 00:35:59,688
Like they can just work and work and work and, uh, Do something that nobody

754
00:35:59,688 --> 00:36:02,538
asked for, and somehow that's virtuous.

755
00:36:02,928 --> 00:36:04,488
I think it's a total bullshit.

756
00:36:04,693 --> 00:36:04,983
Well,

757
00:36:05,098 --> 00:36:10,343
And, uh, uh, yeah, tangent to that is that, we, There are people who

758
00:36:10,343 --> 00:36:14,603
are very good not give a fuckers that I admire a lot, like Bill

759
00:36:14,623 --> 00:36:15,773
Murray, the actor, for instance.

760
00:36:15,773 --> 00:36:18,983
I think it's a brilliant actor, and he made an art form of not giving a

761
00:36:18,983 --> 00:36:20,203
fuck and not working.

762
00:36:20,853 --> 00:36:26,203
But the results show that that was his path to glory.

763
00:36:26,603 --> 00:36:28,143
And to greatness in his domain.

764
00:36:28,143 --> 00:36:28,413
Yeah.

765
00:36:28,903 --> 00:36:33,848
Um, I mean, I think, first of all, the proof of work thing, like, um, I like

766
00:36:33,848 --> 00:36:35,548
both Proof of Work and Proof of Stake.

767
00:36:35,648 --> 00:36:40,248
Let's just put that out there, because they both are very useful, right?

768
00:36:40,618 --> 00:36:46,423
So, as a concept Proof of work, um, is very, very, very, very useful

769
00:36:46,923 --> 00:36:51,763
if you want to build a mechanism that achieves autonomous consensus

770
00:36:51,843 --> 00:36:57,773
and that is very difficult to fuck with or co opt or change.

771
00:36:57,783 --> 00:37:02,143
So if you want to build an immutable monetary network, you need proof of work.

772
00:37:02,243 --> 00:37:04,863
So is it usable Bitcoin then?

773
00:37:05,763 --> 00:37:05,983
No.

774
00:37:06,893 --> 00:37:09,873
exactly, exactly, it's a single purpose fucking thing.

775
00:37:09,893 --> 00:37:12,873
So, proof of stake is very useful if you want to build a company.

776
00:37:13,223 --> 00:37:14,983
Like, proof of stake, do you know what it means?

777
00:37:15,163 --> 00:37:16,863
Skin in the game, motherfuckers.

778
00:37:17,393 --> 00:37:18,503
Which is a good thing.

779
00:37:18,583 --> 00:37:20,113
Like, you want skin in the game.

780
00:37:20,423 --> 00:37:21,763
Proof of work is not skin in the game.

781
00:37:21,923 --> 00:37:23,313
Proof of stake is skin in the game.

782
00:37:23,363 --> 00:37:26,793
So therefore, I'm also a proof of stake maximalist, in the appropriate

783
00:37:26,793 --> 00:37:31,003
context, which is, run a business, in your home, with your fucking property,

784
00:37:31,303 --> 00:37:35,423
like, You know, if you're gonna run a territory, proof of stake fucking matters.

785
00:37:35,833 --> 00:37:38,183
Proof of work does not matter in that thing, because that's where

786
00:37:38,183 --> 00:37:39,463
labor theory of value get it wrong.

787
00:37:39,673 --> 00:37:43,953
This is where, again, Bitcoiners are fucking retarded, is they try and apply

788
00:37:44,013 --> 00:37:45,903
proof of work into everything else.

789
00:37:45,983 --> 00:37:47,913
No, you're a fucking communist, okay?

790
00:37:48,423 --> 00:37:50,563
If you're a capitalist, if you're a free market person, you're

791
00:37:50,563 --> 00:37:51,863
a proof of staker, dickhead.

792
00:37:52,143 --> 00:37:54,973
And proof of work is important for Bitcoin.

793
00:37:55,048 --> 00:37:59,518
Proof of, proof of, yes, proof of stake in a hierarchical sense

794
00:37:59,698 --> 00:38:03,498
is steak and proof of work in a hierarchical sense is vegetables, right?

795
00:38:03,658 --> 00:38:03,888
Yeah.

796
00:38:04,058 --> 00:38:04,458
There you go.

797
00:38:04,458 --> 00:38:05,617
Um,

798
00:38:05,878 --> 00:38:10,878
this to be the most controversial thing out of this episode, but we'll see.

799
00:38:11,071 --> 00:38:14,181
so yeah, I think that's really, really, really important for people to understand.

800
00:38:14,181 --> 00:38:16,801
And this is also what the shitcoiners get wrong as well, because they

801
00:38:16,801 --> 00:38:19,841
actually, so the shitcoiners, for all their faults, they know how to make

802
00:38:19,841 --> 00:38:25,031
money, and they operate from within a corporate paradigm, so they see proof

803
00:38:25,031 --> 00:38:28,721
of stake, which is actually useful, but then they try and apply proof of

804
00:38:28,761 --> 00:38:34,331
stake to money, which, no, fuckhead, it's not a company, it is money, it is

805
00:38:34,331 --> 00:38:37,361
supposed to function like a physical law.

806
00:38:37,926 --> 00:38:40,596
And they're, they're just as retarded as the Bitcoiners though,

807
00:38:40,726 --> 00:38:40,906
Yeah.

808
00:38:40,906 --> 00:38:41,176
Yeah,

809
00:38:41,326 --> 00:38:44,826
so, so, so they're both stupid, like, there's a, there's a, there's a line in

810
00:38:44,826 --> 00:38:49,036
between which matters, which is proof of work, very useful for Bitcoin, proof of

811
00:38:49,046 --> 00:38:50,996
stake, very useful for everything else.

812
00:38:51,046 --> 00:38:51,406
yeah.

813
00:38:51,406 --> 00:38:55,186
It's, it's like using the most complicated, uh, geometrical shape

814
00:38:55,186 --> 00:38:57,016
you can imagine to construct a wheel.

815
00:38:58,907 --> 00:38:59,907
Man, crazy.

816
00:39:00,297 --> 00:39:01,307
Uh, I love it.

817
00:39:01,317 --> 00:39:01,677
It's,

818
00:39:01,842 --> 00:39:02,202
no, and

819
00:39:02,507 --> 00:39:06,657
I, I, no, no, I mean, I mean, when I, I don't mean it this glibly, like.

820
00:39:07,152 --> 00:39:08,502
Standing up for proof of stake.

821
00:39:08,532 --> 00:39:11,842
That's, that's bold, but it's, but it makes sense.

822
00:39:11,942 --> 00:39:14,402
no, no, but it, it's, it's not strange at all.

823
00:39:14,407 --> 00:39:16,502
Not, not when framed correctly.

824
00:39:16,502 --> 00:39:16,592
I

825
00:39:16,692 --> 00:39:17,032
no, no, no.

826
00:39:17,032 --> 00:39:20,652
But the, but the problem is, is that yeah, Bitcoiners, Bitcoin culture, there

827
00:39:20,652 --> 00:39:25,372
is such a thing as Bitcoin culture, I think proof of stake is a dirty word.

828
00:39:25,732 --> 00:39:29,032
Um, but, but yeah, the idea is actually not

829
00:39:29,222 --> 00:39:32,612
We, we debunk the, we are all satoshi thing in our book as well,

830
00:39:32,702 --> 00:39:34,952
and like we are all Satoshis.

831
00:39:35,222 --> 00:39:36,352
But we're not Satoshi.

832
00:39:36,412 --> 00:39:39,812
Satoshi was special, but we are our Satoshis because we,

833
00:39:39,812 --> 00:39:43,552
uh, the, the, the thing that unlocks them lives in your brain.

834
00:39:43,742 --> 00:39:46,312
I like that, I like that frame, that's very good actually.

835
00:39:46,437 --> 00:39:49,887
Vastly different styles of book, but I think we'll all enjoy reading each other's

836
00:39:50,092 --> 00:39:50,672
yeah, yeah.

837
00:39:51,002 --> 00:39:55,342
I'd love to like, like make a little ritual out of bartering books

838
00:39:55,412 --> 00:39:58,712
and then, uh, looking forward to reading yours and looking forward to

839
00:39:58,782 --> 00:40:00,132
seeing what you, how you like ours.

840
00:40:00,307 --> 00:40:04,177
we actually barter one for one, uh, we get a much better deal, so, yeah.

841
00:40:04,347 --> 00:40:04,767
I think.

842
00:40:04,967 --> 00:40:06,667
Unless we're talking labor theory of value.

843
00:40:07,332 --> 00:40:07,612
no, no.

844
00:40:07,782 --> 00:40:11,652
We'll barter one book for and then I'll read the first half and you'll read the

845
00:40:11,652 --> 00:40:11,812
rest.

846
00:40:12,072 --> 00:40:12,857
half,

847
00:40:13,097 --> 00:40:13,507
like that.

848
00:40:13,617 --> 00:40:14,187
yeah, yeah, yeah.

849
00:40:14,187 --> 00:40:14,567
Yeah.

850
00:40:15,102 --> 00:40:17,312
So he'll be integrated and you'll know about the history.

851
00:40:17,902 --> 00:40:18,202
There you go.

852
00:40:18,202 --> 00:40:19,382
And you'll have half the virtues.

853
00:40:19,382 --> 00:40:20,112
He'll have the other half.

854
00:40:22,715 --> 00:40:25,206
beauty.

855
00:40:25,302 --> 00:40:26,362
we spoke about excellence.

856
00:40:26,402 --> 00:40:27,862
Uh, actually, you know what?

857
00:40:27,892 --> 00:40:29,842
I'll let people read power and beauty.

858
00:40:29,982 --> 00:40:33,262
They're two extremely important concepts that people can go down

859
00:40:33,422 --> 00:40:37,021
and read the book rabbit hole.

860
00:40:38,367 --> 00:40:39,477
to an ugly motherfucker like

861
00:40:39,682 --> 00:40:39,962
Okay.

862
00:40:40,052 --> 00:40:43,292
Uh, I mean your job, if you're an ugly motherfucker is to

863
00:40:43,312 --> 00:40:44,992
revere beauty and to protect it.

864
00:40:45,672 --> 00:40:46,562
That's our job as ugly

865
00:40:46,807 --> 00:40:47,397
well, I do.

866
00:40:47,737 --> 00:40:48,237
My wife is

867
00:40:48,242 --> 00:40:48,552
that's it.

868
00:40:48,622 --> 00:40:49,232
Exactly, that's

869
00:40:49,277 --> 00:40:50,077
kids are beautiful.

870
00:40:50,202 --> 00:40:50,642
the whole point.

871
00:40:50,662 --> 00:40:51,162
So do you know what?

872
00:40:51,172 --> 00:40:52,612
Here's the definition of evil.

873
00:40:53,652 --> 00:40:58,402
Definition of evil is that which wants to tear down and defile beauty.

874
00:40:59,227 --> 00:41:01,487
That's the only definition of evil that matters.

875
00:41:01,997 --> 00:41:05,127
I used to think that it was communism, capitalism versus communism, it's not,

876
00:41:05,157 --> 00:41:08,497
it's fucking beauty versus communism, beauty versus all the other fucking dog

877
00:41:08,497 --> 00:41:13,717
shit, okay, beauty is the highest ideal, if like, the, if the peak of the mountain

878
00:41:13,737 --> 00:41:19,287
of, Transcendence or the highest good was, you know, the peak, like, goodness,

879
00:41:19,667 --> 00:41:21,227
the slopes would be truth and beauty.

880
00:41:21,267 --> 00:41:22,607
They're the two most important things.

881
00:41:22,607 --> 00:41:25,697
Like, economics is the base, it's the foundation, but it's material.

882
00:41:25,697 --> 00:41:28,167
Everything in the economic realm is subjective.

883
00:41:28,547 --> 00:41:32,677
Beauty and truth are subjective and objective, simultaneously.

884
00:41:32,837 --> 00:41:33,697
They transcend.

885
00:41:34,782 --> 00:41:39,202
I understand the truth vector, but the beauty vector is very, very subjective.

886
00:41:39,827 --> 00:41:40,087
Absolutely.

887
00:41:40,867 --> 00:41:43,257
Beauty is objective and subjective.

888
00:41:45,132 --> 00:41:45,522
Huh.

889
00:41:45,872 --> 00:41:46,622
Um,

890
00:41:47,252 --> 00:41:47,832
I mean,

891
00:41:48,317 --> 00:41:51,026
you'll see on the screen, you'll see beauty and truth.

892
00:41:51,327 --> 00:41:54,947
Immediately, and you'll see ugliness compared next to it, and you will know

893
00:41:54,957 --> 00:41:59,047
viscerally, viscerally, you'll know which one's beautiful, which one's not.

894
00:42:00,132 --> 00:42:01,902
Is, is that gonna be racist, Alex?

895
00:42:02,667 --> 00:42:04,097
It's gonna be sexist.

896
00:42:04,107 --> 00:42:06,857
It's gonna, I'm gonna insult everybody on tomorrow's talk.

897
00:42:06,907 --> 00:42:08,507
Literally, I'm gonna insult absolutely

898
00:42:08,682 --> 00:42:09,382
yeah, Yeah.

899
00:42:09,562 --> 00:42:09,852
Yeah,

900
00:42:10,772 --> 00:42:13,862
Yeah, we'll, we'll link to, we'll link to the talk online when it, when it's out.

901
00:42:13,862 --> 00:42:14,252
Finally.

902
00:42:14,252 --> 00:42:14,492
Yeah.

903
00:42:14,637 --> 00:42:14,937
I hope so.

904
00:42:15,012 --> 00:42:20,662
So any more before we wrap up the discussion on the Bushido of Bitcoin?

905
00:42:20,727 --> 00:42:23,217
Now, let's leave it there, because then people can have a bit of

906
00:42:23,217 --> 00:42:26,687
a teaser into it, and then, um, people can get a free chapter, uh,

907
00:42:26,687 --> 00:42:27,607
if they go to bushidoofbitcoin.

908
00:42:28,077 --> 00:42:28,457
com.

909
00:42:29,017 --> 00:42:32,037
Get a free chapter on there, and the chapter isn't like some little fucking

910
00:42:32,037 --> 00:42:34,387
tiny excerpt, there's quite a bit in there, I give you like a whole section

911
00:42:34,387 --> 00:42:36,557
basically, so it's more than a free chapter, it's more like ten free

912
00:42:36,837 --> 00:42:37,297
All right.

913
00:42:37,587 --> 00:42:42,707
Um, and if they want to support it, they can pre order it now on Geyser,

914
00:42:43,187 --> 00:42:45,597
um, or if they want to spend fiat, they can pre order it on Kickstarter, it's a

915
00:42:45,727 --> 00:42:48,177
little bit more expensive on Kickstarter because the fees are way too high there.

916
00:42:48,737 --> 00:42:53,017
And they can get digital paperback, hardcover, all that sort of shit, cheaper

917
00:42:53,037 --> 00:42:54,337
than they will be able to get later.

918
00:42:54,787 --> 00:42:59,252
And then there's a couple special tiers, where you can get like For example, one

919
00:42:59,252 --> 00:43:03,732
of the higher tiers, you have a, I'm going to do like a leather bound gold

920
00:43:03,762 --> 00:43:09,122
leaf in a wooden box that's carved like proper and spend 250 bucks on each one.

921
00:43:09,132 --> 00:43:12,272
So it's like, it's much higher quality and there's only 21 of those.

922
00:43:12,852 --> 00:43:14,452
I don't know where I got the number from, but you know, I just

923
00:43:14,452 --> 00:43:15,342
thought maybe I should do 21.

924
00:43:15,647 --> 00:43:16,067
number.

925
00:43:16,227 --> 00:43:16,707
Yeah.

926
00:43:17,212 --> 00:43:19,172
and yeah, they've, people can buy that.

927
00:43:19,172 --> 00:43:21,112
That'll only be available during the pre sale afterwards.

928
00:43:21,112 --> 00:43:22,052
I'm not doing that shit anymore.

929
00:43:22,167 --> 00:43:22,657
All right.

930
00:43:22,747 --> 00:43:25,257
And is the word penis in the book by any chance?

931
00:43:25,967 --> 00:43:26,707
It's in our book.

932
00:43:27,077 --> 00:43:27,287
Yeah.

933
00:43:27,912 --> 00:43:28,512
Congratulations.

934
00:43:29,703 --> 00:43:32,373
we'll, we'll leave it at this teaser, but I, I, I did sort of

935
00:43:32,378 --> 00:43:36,233
want to, to hint at this a little bit for the a d IQs in the room.

936
00:43:36,593 --> 00:43:37,913
What does Bitcoin have to do with it?

937
00:43:39,170 --> 00:43:40,220
a lot and very little.

938
00:43:40,770 --> 00:43:45,550
So at the end of each virtue, I tie the virtue to Bitcoin in some way.

939
00:43:46,030 --> 00:43:47,590
Um, so there's that.

940
00:43:48,140 --> 00:43:51,720
In the integration section of the book, there is um, where I ask

941
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,965
the hard questions about, Uh, you know, warrior and civilian culture

942
00:43:56,025 --> 00:44:02,735
about cycles, about, um, material wealth and the weakening of society.

943
00:44:03,085 --> 00:44:07,475
I look at the, uh, the first half is about really the challenges.

944
00:44:07,475 --> 00:44:13,321
And then the second half is how Bitcoin helps, if not solve, alleviate some

945
00:44:13,321 --> 00:44:15,435
of those challenges in some way.

946
00:44:15,665 --> 00:44:18,875
And then at the end of the book, I did a fucking appendix, which was my

947
00:44:18,885 --> 00:44:26,570
attempt at, 10 pages to make Bitcoin seem so obvious that if you don't do

948
00:44:26,570 --> 00:44:27,770
Bitcoin, you're an idiot, basically.

949
00:44:28,285 --> 00:44:29,895
And you're not a responsible person.

950
00:44:30,596 --> 00:44:31,026
Same,

951
00:44:31,211 --> 00:44:31,721
person, exactly.

952
00:44:31,721 --> 00:44:32,951
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

953
00:44:33,501 --> 00:44:36,311
Well, I'm stoked for the book, so.

954
00:44:36,491 --> 00:44:36,761
Yep.

955
00:44:36,971 --> 00:44:41,091
Let's, uh, I think we, we can wrap up our discussion of that

956
00:44:41,091 --> 00:44:43,401
there, uh, but yeah, absolutely.

957
00:44:43,401 --> 00:44:44,091
Looking forward to it.

958
00:44:44,091 --> 00:44:46,281
So we'll put everywhere people can.

959
00:44:46,286 --> 00:44:48,081
How, how long is this, uh, campaign running?

960
00:44:48,351 --> 00:44:52,631
The pre sale will run for probably six weeks, maybe two months, something like

961
00:44:52,631 --> 00:44:53,781
that, so it'll be a little while

962
00:44:53,786 --> 00:44:57,536
now, from Friday, BTC from, from

963
00:44:57,641 --> 00:44:58,681
until the end of July, yeah.

964
00:44:58,836 --> 00:44:59,226
very good.

965
00:44:59,286 --> 00:44:59,916
Check it out.

966
00:45:00,546 --> 00:45:01,776
we'll get the episode out before then.

967
00:45:01,836 --> 00:45:02,696
So wonderful.

968
00:45:02,846 --> 00:45:04,116
Insert ads here.

969
00:47:44,997 --> 00:47:46,922
Aleks, welcome to the Freedom Footprint show.

970
00:47:48,208 --> 00:47:49,098
we might leave that all in.

971
00:47:50,018 --> 00:47:54,768
we have already discussed, you know, Bitcoin as a potato

972
00:47:54,808 --> 00:47:56,868
and various other things.

973
00:47:57,173 --> 00:48:03,233
Things, including, ah, well, let's not regurgitate all that, um, once more.

974
00:48:04,583 --> 00:48:05,833
Let's discuss Atlantis.

975
00:48:05,853 --> 00:48:06,123
What is

976
00:48:06,313 --> 00:48:06,843
Atlantis?

977
00:48:07,373 --> 00:48:07,923
Okay.

978
00:48:08,173 --> 00:48:15,303
Um, it is a magical city in Antarctica that I'm going to conquer

979
00:48:15,303 --> 00:48:16,953
one day after I conquer Macedonia.

980
00:48:17,183 --> 00:48:19,493
I figured that Antarctica is probably the better.

981
00:48:19,663 --> 00:48:25,453
Oh, I had this, I had this old Donald Duck cartoon where uncle Scrooge, um, was on

982
00:48:25,453 --> 00:48:33,023
an adventure and figured out that, uh, Atlantis was actually, uh, uh, Antarctica

983
00:48:33,703 --> 00:48:36,103
and the continent just, the continent just moved.

984
00:48:36,543 --> 00:48:39,773
Well, it either moved or that's where it always was.

985
00:48:39,803 --> 00:48:41,593
And we just like, that was part of the OPSEC.

986
00:48:42,138 --> 00:48:48,858
Well the, the theory, uh, from my, my, uh, pet, pet, hobby, guru person,

987
00:48:48,958 --> 00:48:53,548
uh, Graham Hancock is that, is that Antarctica was, uh, further, further

988
00:48:53,548 --> 00:48:59,448
north but then a meteor impact might have, uh, shifted the, uh, The Earth's,

989
00:48:59,538 --> 00:49:03,798
um, basically placement on the, the axis and that Tarica moves south.

990
00:49:03,798 --> 00:49:08,748
So it used to be more, uh, uh, yeah, it was even like in the, it was in

991
00:49:08,748 --> 00:49:11,238
the area where Europe is in the south.

992
00:49:11,483 --> 00:49:11,893
Okay.

993
00:49:11,943 --> 00:49:14,763
But wouldn't that have wiped out all of humanity?

994
00:49:15,148 --> 00:49:15,838
No, no.

995
00:49:15,838 --> 00:49:20,278
So, so the, the, the hypothesis is that this is what happened 12,800 years ago

996
00:49:20,278 --> 00:49:22,408
in the younger dry ass impact hypothesis.

997
00:49:22,438 --> 00:49:26,488
Uh, this one might be, uh, old now, but this was part of the original

998
00:49:26,488 --> 00:49:28,318
fingerprints of the Gods book basically.

999
00:49:28,523 --> 00:49:33,093
That, uh, yeah, a civilization might have lived in Antarctica, and that's the reason

1000
00:49:33,093 --> 00:49:37,173
why we don't have any archaeological traces for it, is because it was there.

1001
00:49:37,628 --> 00:49:42,398
To me it sounds like tilting the earth that much would wipe up like everything

1002
00:49:42,398 --> 00:49:45,048
if the meteor is big enough to do that.

1003
00:49:45,573 --> 00:49:50,533
Theoretically, there's some, uh, idea that this could happen without destroying it.

1004
00:49:50,533 --> 00:49:56,103
It, it would explain why North America got completely, almost in

1005
00:49:56,103 --> 00:49:58,403
an instant, uh, overtaken by ice.

1006
00:49:59,148 --> 00:50:05,368
Yeah, but still, like a meteor the size of Manhattan would basically kill everything.

1007
00:50:05,633 --> 00:50:08,353
I don't know, I mean, I think, I think this is too far into the weeds, but either

1008
00:50:08,353 --> 00:50:11,593
way, I think, I think, uh, if, so it was originally called Sat Lantis, though.

1009
00:50:11,993 --> 00:50:13,903
Wait, I mean, Atlantis, you mean?

1010
00:50:14,153 --> 00:50:14,663
Atlantis?

1011
00:50:14,693 --> 00:50:15,473
Knut's Atlantis.

1012
00:50:15,663 --> 00:50:17,013
Do you mean our app, or?

1013
00:50:17,703 --> 00:50:17,953
No!

1014
00:50:17,953 --> 00:50:18,123
What

1015
00:50:18,133 --> 00:50:18,733
What are we talking about?

1016
00:50:18,733 --> 00:50:18,993
now?

1017
00:50:19,033 --> 00:50:20,793
Okay, I don't know, I thought we were talking about Antarctica.

1018
00:50:21,783 --> 00:50:22,243
I'm lost.

1019
00:50:22,463 --> 00:50:24,303
Anyway, the app is called Atlantis.

1020
00:50:25,048 --> 00:50:25,158
we're

1021
00:50:25,158 --> 00:50:26,408
talking about your new app.

1022
00:50:26,568 --> 00:50:27,108
Yeah, yeah.

1023
00:50:27,253 --> 00:50:30,113
it's a product built on Nostr, okay?

1024
00:50:30,113 --> 00:50:33,113
Um, we were actually, I was actually going to call it Antarctica for a little bit.

1025
00:50:33,293 --> 00:50:36,943
I wasn't sure, but um, I think that's such a cool name, such a cool concept.

1026
00:50:37,513 --> 00:50:39,753
Um, but okay, what is this thing?

1027
00:50:39,863 --> 00:50:40,283
So,

1028
00:50:42,413 --> 00:50:45,703
the easiest, no man, I don't even know what to call it, we're

1029
00:50:45,703 --> 00:50:47,943
trying to build something new, that's the interesting thing about

1030
00:50:47,943 --> 00:50:49,703
it, like, something that doesn't

1031
00:50:49,793 --> 00:50:51,413
But can I try to explain it?

1032
00:50:51,413 --> 00:50:56,863
It's, it's like, um, a way for Bitcoiners to figure out where they're going to

1033
00:50:56,863 --> 00:50:59,903
live for the next stretch of time.

1034
00:50:59,913 --> 00:51:00,263
Like,

1035
00:51:00,273 --> 00:51:02,903
so it's a tool for digital nomads.

1036
00:51:02,903 --> 00:51:08,163
I hate that word, but, uh, for Bitcoiners who want to find a place that is friendly

1037
00:51:08,163 --> 00:51:14,003
to them and where they can find other Bitcoiners and, uh, women and food

1038
00:51:14,223 --> 00:51:15,083
and stuff.

1039
00:51:15,193 --> 00:51:15,583
Right.

1040
00:51:16,093 --> 00:51:19,033
yeah, it could definitely be used for that, I think, um, it's fundamentally

1041
00:51:19,033 --> 00:51:24,523
broader than that, uh, but that, that's a good way to, um, describe

1042
00:51:24,533 --> 00:51:25,713
the initial incarnation of it.

1043
00:51:26,798 --> 00:51:30,138
So, I'll maybe, I'll give the story about how it emerged and then we can figure out

1044
00:51:30,168 --> 00:51:33,508
what the hell this thing is, um, and you can help me figure out what it is, uh,

1045
00:51:33,528 --> 00:51:38,088
because it started off as I was obviously building Spirit of Satoshi for a little

1046
00:51:38,088 --> 00:51:41,818
while, and, uh, a friend reached out and said, hey, love what you're doing with AI

1047
00:51:41,828 --> 00:51:44,728
stuff, can we build a AI travel concierge?

1048
00:51:45,458 --> 00:51:46,588
And I was like, sure.

1049
00:51:46,868 --> 00:51:48,068
I was like, it's actually not a bad idea.

1050
00:51:48,068 --> 00:51:49,358
He's like, yeah, I'm coming to Salvador.

1051
00:51:49,358 --> 00:51:52,698
He's like, I'd like to be able to ask an AI, where can I spend my Bitcoin?

1052
00:51:52,738 --> 00:51:54,298
What are the rules around Bitcoin?

1053
00:51:54,328 --> 00:51:55,878
You know, am I gonna get taxed?

1054
00:51:55,878 --> 00:51:56,388
This and that.

1055
00:51:56,798 --> 00:52:00,118
And we, we, we sort of workshopped that idea and we realized, you know,

1056
00:52:00,308 --> 00:52:02,188
a chatbot is a really bad UX for that.

1057
00:52:02,278 --> 00:52:05,918
Like, if you want to discover a place, you want, it has to be visual, right?

1058
00:52:06,223 --> 00:52:07,603
Chatbots are terrible UX

1059
00:52:07,758 --> 00:52:08,998
Chatbots are the worst UX.

1060
00:52:08,998 --> 00:52:12,188
It's absolutely stupid, ridiculous, dumbest shit ever.

1061
00:52:12,218 --> 00:52:12,598
So, yeah.

1062
00:52:12,598 --> 00:52:12,618
Yeah.

1063
00:52:13,279 --> 00:52:17,199
so anyway, we, we start workshopping this thing, and we realized that,

1064
00:52:17,199 --> 00:52:19,679
hey, you know, maybe what we need to do is build something a

1065
00:52:19,679 --> 00:52:20,949
little bit more like Nomad List.

1066
00:52:20,979 --> 00:52:24,449
I don't know if you're familiar with Nomad List, but it's basically a directory,

1067
00:52:24,459 --> 00:52:29,859
it's probably the number one directory online now for nomads who want to discover

1068
00:52:29,859 --> 00:52:32,169
a new city and get a bird's eye view of what's happening in the city, right?

1069
00:52:32,169 --> 00:52:36,539
Like, There's a bunch of scores on the, on the page where it tells you like,

1070
00:52:36,539 --> 00:52:39,989
is the place walkable, you know, is it, you know, what's the weather like, and

1071
00:52:39,999 --> 00:52:42,899
is it safe and all this sort of shit, so you can get a kind of sense for it.

1072
00:52:43,409 --> 00:52:47,449
Then there's like a stats page, which kind of tells you like, um,

1073
00:52:48,149 --> 00:52:49,439
you know, is the water drinkable?

1074
00:52:49,449 --> 00:52:50,909
What's the voltage?

1075
00:52:50,909 --> 00:52:53,259
And it's like, so it's kind of like an indispensable tool

1076
00:52:53,259 --> 00:52:54,069
if you're traveling around.

1077
00:52:54,569 --> 00:52:57,559
So we thought, okay, well, maybe we should build Bitcoin Nomad List.

1078
00:52:58,244 --> 00:53:02,004
But, what we didn't like about NomadList is all the scoring and all the ratings

1079
00:53:02,004 --> 00:53:05,984
and everything like that are done by one person, so like a centralized identity,

1080
00:53:05,984 --> 00:53:10,704
and he just establishes all the scores based on stuff he scrapes from the web.

1081
00:53:11,439 --> 00:53:15,039
So we thought, if we do Bitcoin Nomad List, we should just find people in the

1082
00:53:15,039 --> 00:53:19,839
local area, and get them to actually score stuff, um, and we'll have a

1083
00:53:19,839 --> 00:53:23,239
real rating from people on the ground, because one of the things I noticed,

1084
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:28,229
for example, I went to Florianopolis, um, where I live, on Nomad List, and

1085
00:53:28,229 --> 00:53:32,039
the safety rating is like a 2 out of 10, which is complete bullshit, because

1086
00:53:32,344 --> 00:53:37,094
Florianopolis is probably safer than the entire US, safer than Australia, like

1087
00:53:37,094 --> 00:53:40,984
it's, it's one of the safest cities in all of Latin America, if not the safest.

1088
00:53:41,824 --> 00:53:44,924
Um, so I was looking and I was like, that's bullshit, you know, I remember

1089
00:53:44,924 --> 00:53:48,564
looking at Dubai and nightlife was rated really low, like Dubai literally has the

1090
00:53:48,564 --> 00:53:51,804
best nightlife in the world, like, I was like, who the fuck did this shit, so.

1091
00:53:52,379 --> 00:53:56,689
Anyway, we thought we could do it more accurately with people on the ground.

1092
00:53:57,109 --> 00:54:00,239
So, we kind of, the idea evolved from Bitcoin Nomad List.

1093
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,479
We started calling it Destination Bitcoin, because we thought we

1094
00:54:02,479 --> 00:54:06,829
want some more stuff in there than just, um, Nomad List scoring.

1095
00:54:06,829 --> 00:54:10,229
We want to have merchants, we want to have events, like what are the meetups going

1096
00:54:10,229 --> 00:54:11,529
on, the conferences, and this and that.

1097
00:54:12,289 --> 00:54:16,489
And, the more we sort of dug into it, Uh, the more we realized that the idea is

1098
00:54:16,489 --> 00:54:25,179
potentially bigger than just Bitcoin and we simultaneously stumbled into leveraging

1099
00:54:25,189 --> 00:54:28,439
Nostr as the basis for the application.

1100
00:54:28,439 --> 00:54:30,349
This is where things really started to get interesting.

1101
00:54:31,389 --> 00:54:34,809
So, I was an early Nostr user, to give you some context, and then I

1102
00:54:34,839 --> 00:54:36,309
got bearish on Nostr pretty quickly.

1103
00:54:36,309 --> 00:54:40,019
I was like, oh, it's a fucking nerd fest, a bunch of dorks just sharing

1104
00:54:40,779 --> 00:54:43,459
and doing a circle joke about Bitcoin, you know, on a Twitter clone.

1105
00:54:43,529 --> 00:54:45,009
That's basically what I summed it up as.

1106
00:54:45,659 --> 00:54:53,199
And when we came back to, um, when I came back to Nostr just by virtue of trying to

1107
00:54:53,199 --> 00:54:57,449
find a solution for Nomad List where I was like, okay, what are we going to use as

1108
00:54:57,449 --> 00:55:01,719
an identity for the ambassadors that are going to put this information in, right?

1109
00:55:03,049 --> 00:55:06,809
Well, we could use Nostr because they have their own pub and then we can

1110
00:55:07,169 --> 00:55:11,009
make sure that they're real people and, you know, we can vet them and

1111
00:55:11,009 --> 00:55:12,329
there's like a bit of web of trusting.

1112
00:55:12,329 --> 00:55:15,589
But the more and more we dug into that, the more I came to this realization that.

1113
00:55:16,129 --> 00:55:18,929
The killer app for Nostr, and nobody's talking about this

1114
00:55:18,929 --> 00:55:23,779
shit, is Social as a Service.

1115
00:55:24,619 --> 00:55:30,399
It's now, I can take an open social graph, and I can import

1116
00:55:30,399 --> 00:55:31,809
it into any other application.

1117
00:55:31,809 --> 00:55:35,989
So I can build an application that is not traditionally a social network, but

1118
00:55:35,989 --> 00:55:37,914
I can give it social network powers.

1119
00:55:38,414 --> 00:55:42,914
Right, so imagine if you had TripAdvisor, for example, where you're seeing reviews

1120
00:55:42,914 --> 00:55:47,024
about cities and everything like that, but the reviews you see come from the

1121
00:55:47,024 --> 00:55:48,584
people you follow on Twitter or Instagram.

1122
00:55:49,274 --> 00:55:51,864
So now it's all of a sudden relevant, and you know it's real, because

1123
00:55:51,864 --> 00:55:54,894
it's someone you fucking follow, not some random paid review, right?

1124
00:55:55,264 --> 00:55:59,744
The hotels that you're seeing on the list are weighted by the people you follow.

1125
00:56:00,114 --> 00:56:02,094
So this idea all of a sudden came together.

1126
00:56:02,094 --> 00:56:05,244
So if I could sort of say what Silentis is, it's kind of like a blend of

1127
00:56:06,739 --> 00:56:11,109
Instagram meets TripAdvisor meets Google Places, like wrap all of those

1128
00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:15,399
up and somewhere in that Venn diagram is a product that is a travel and

1129
00:56:15,549 --> 00:56:18,029
community tool with a social graph,

1130
00:56:18,234 --> 00:56:23,154
so, so how you trust the, uh, the ratings is because they're made by your friends,

1131
00:56:23,219 --> 00:56:23,639
correct?

1132
00:56:24,804 --> 00:56:25,404
That's awesome.

1133
00:56:26,104 --> 00:56:27,799
Uh, yeah.

1134
00:56:27,799 --> 00:56:28,119
That's,

1135
00:56:28,159 --> 00:56:30,799
Or people who have a high trust score

1136
00:56:30,909 --> 00:56:31,199
yeah.

1137
00:56:31,199 --> 00:56:31,479
Yeah.

1138
00:56:31,539 --> 00:56:31,759
But

1139
00:56:31,809 --> 00:56:32,639
Could be a high trust score.

1140
00:56:32,639 --> 00:56:32,939
Exactly.

1141
00:56:32,939 --> 00:56:37,039
Could be someone with many, many followers, um, or somebody who, you know,

1142
00:56:37,329 --> 00:56:41,279
You might not follow directly but someone who somebody else follows or somebody

1143
00:56:41,279 --> 00:56:45,039
who's zapped a particular review multiple times So there's like all of this stuff

1144
00:56:45,059 --> 00:56:51,029
you can do now with Nostr and Bitcoin that makes like just the reviews component

1145
00:56:51,229 --> 00:56:54,049
Real and relevant because that's the biggest problem with modern reviews like

1146
00:56:54,049 --> 00:56:57,159
the most of the web is run on reviews But they're fake and they're irrelevant.

1147
00:56:57,474 --> 00:57:01,264
I love the reviews on Rotten Tomatoes for new Disney, uh,

1148
00:57:01,414 --> 00:57:04,584
you know, uh, pandering movies.

1149
00:57:05,074 --> 00:57:05,454
So like

1150
00:57:05,509 --> 00:57:06,149
seen like are they

1151
00:57:06,164 --> 00:57:11,014
no, no, but, but they released a new Star Wars, um, um, series where, where, uh, the

1152
00:57:11,014 --> 00:57:13,764
force is very female now and even lesbian

1153
00:57:14,114 --> 00:57:19,044
and, and the, the audience review is like 20 percent and the critic review is like

1154
00:57:19,064 --> 00:57:19,504
99%.

1155
00:57:19,864 --> 00:57:20,304
Yeah, Yeah.

1156
00:57:20,759 --> 00:57:27,814
such a scam So like this, this is something we sort of built just

1157
00:57:27,824 --> 00:57:29,294
by following our nose, right?

1158
00:57:29,304 --> 00:57:35,114
Like we, we wanted to, and I'm, I'm, I'm building it because this is the product

1159
00:57:35,124 --> 00:57:36,784
that I wish I had when I was traveling.

1160
00:57:36,814 --> 00:57:38,554
Like, you know, I've been to 40, 50 countries.

1161
00:57:38,584 --> 00:57:42,984
And I mean, the first thing you do as a bitcoiner, or as anyone

1162
00:57:42,984 --> 00:57:45,349
really, you come to a new country and you're like, you're like, You're

1163
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:46,359
searching on a telegram group.

1164
00:57:46,359 --> 00:57:47,769
It's like, who's the Bitcoiner in town?

1165
00:57:47,769 --> 00:57:48,619
Like, who do I meet?

1166
00:57:48,619 --> 00:57:49,079
Where do I go?

1167
00:57:49,079 --> 00:57:49,949
What's the meetup I go to?

1168
00:57:49,949 --> 00:57:52,339
And you end up across ten different fucking applications.

1169
00:57:52,699 --> 00:57:57,709
I wish I just had a city page where I could go to Prague and I can see inside

1170
00:57:57,709 --> 00:58:00,259
Prague What are the events going on?

1171
00:58:00,309 --> 00:58:01,139
Who are the people?

1172
00:58:01,169 --> 00:58:02,009
I can connect with them.

1173
00:58:02,009 --> 00:58:02,839
I can chat with them.

1174
00:58:03,029 --> 00:58:06,835
I can see the events and what we've done really interestingly with the feed,

1175
00:58:06,835 --> 00:58:14,159
each city has its own feed on desktop and the feed is is a aggregation of

1176
00:58:14,469 --> 00:58:17,569
everything that's happening on the Nostr network that is associated to that city.

1177
00:58:17,759 --> 00:58:20,709
So someone on Primal or Damus or any other Nostr app could be out

1178
00:58:20,709 --> 00:58:24,829
there and they could take a photo, I'm at this cool restaurant, it's

1179
00:58:24,829 --> 00:58:28,689
really awesome, hashtag Prague, and it shows up in the Prague city feed.

1180
00:58:28,719 --> 00:58:34,369
So now you get, you can go to the city page looking for something specifically

1181
00:58:34,369 --> 00:58:38,789
as an event or whatever, so you can like have an active search, or you can have

1182
00:58:38,789 --> 00:58:42,889
the feed that's coming in you're like oh fuck that's cool oh it's a farmer's market

1183
00:58:42,889 --> 00:58:46,089
boom i click in i can then go to the farmer's market i can follow the farmer's

1184
00:58:46,109 --> 00:58:49,809
market i can zap the farmer's market i can potentially see the information i can find

1185
00:58:49,809 --> 00:58:51,069
them on the map all that sort of stuff

1186
00:58:51,239 --> 00:58:57,719
So this sounds like it's, it's touching a lot of other ideas and apps and

1187
00:58:58,089 --> 00:58:59,259
things that are already out there.

1188
00:58:59,259 --> 00:59:01,979
So like, are you integrating with BTC map for instance?

1189
00:59:02,009 --> 00:59:06,499
mean we're kind of leapfrogging btc map um in the sense that btc map is

1190
00:59:06,499 --> 00:59:08,549
just pretty much open street maps

1191
00:59:09,149 --> 00:59:15,439
With, um, a Bitcoin tag on merchants, um, so instead of integrating with

1192
00:59:15,659 --> 00:59:19,209
BTCmap, we, we tried that, but, um, Nathan Day, if you're listening, I love

1193
00:59:19,209 --> 00:59:24,389
you, but your APS sucks, um, we just pulled in OpenStreetMaps instead, um,

1194
00:59:24,409 --> 00:59:27,379
we pulled in all the tags from BTCmaps.

1195
00:59:27,859 --> 00:59:32,249
So we've got entire BTC map on it, but what we've also done, we've

1196
00:59:32,249 --> 00:59:35,089
taken it a step further, and this is quite expensive, but we've went

1197
00:59:35,089 --> 00:59:36,559
and pulled from the Google API.

1198
00:59:36,839 --> 00:59:40,169
So we have way more than just Bitcoin merchants in the cities.

1199
00:59:40,614 --> 00:59:43,444
We have all the merchants, all the cafes, all the restaurants, they're

1200
00:59:43,444 --> 00:59:46,894
already on Stellantis, and we've got their Google rating there, we're pulling

1201
00:59:46,894 --> 00:59:51,184
in their Yelp rating, so when you go to a city, you can see everything, and on

1202
00:59:51,184 --> 00:59:56,304
our map, pins are grey for an unclaimed account, which means we've just pulled

1203
00:59:56,304 --> 01:00:01,954
it from Google, it's there, orange for a claimed or unclaimed account that

1204
01:00:02,384 --> 01:00:07,384
accepts Bitcoin, and purple for a claimed account, meaning that the merchants are

1205
01:00:07,384 --> 01:00:11,594
on there, they've gone, they've claimed their profile, all on satlantis and

1206
01:00:11,699 --> 01:00:12,909
necessarily except Bitcoin.

1207
01:00:13,074 --> 01:00:14,074
doesn't necessarily except bitcoin.

1208
01:00:14,164 --> 01:00:14,574
Exactly.

1209
01:00:14,584 --> 01:00:17,784
And they can build an audience, they can get reviews, they can

1210
01:00:17,784 --> 01:00:19,424
get everything all on satlantis.

1211
01:00:19,454 --> 01:00:23,234
So now they have a new place to acquire customers that is more holistic.

1212
01:00:23,619 --> 01:00:29,819
Alright, and yeah, orange pill app comes to mind of course, uh, another

1213
01:00:29,819 --> 01:00:34,789
tool for finding bitcoiners in other cities, like is there a plan for

1214
01:00:35,029 --> 01:00:36,859
some type of collaboration there?

1215
01:00:37,014 --> 01:00:37,574
Hopefully.

1216
01:00:37,594 --> 01:00:39,474
I mean I don't know what it'd look like.

1217
01:00:39,504 --> 01:00:42,984
Um, Matt and I have spoken a couple times on this.

1218
01:00:43,014 --> 01:00:47,204
Um, and I mean, I think there'd be a really cool, uh, integration

1219
01:00:47,204 --> 01:00:52,219
there, which is just, um, someone can put their, Orange pill app, maybe

1220
01:00:52,219 --> 01:00:53,339
identity or something like that.

1221
01:00:53,339 --> 01:00:57,619
So somebody can message them, but, um, he doesn't seem to think so.

1222
01:00:57,619 --> 01:00:57,939
So.

1223
01:00:59,199 --> 01:01:03,519
No, well, well, there's, there's more, uh, I mean, my brain is

1224
01:01:03,519 --> 01:01:06,619
just flooding with ideas of things you could integrate with it.

1225
01:01:06,809 --> 01:01:12,209
Like Yakima's plan B network thing, for instance, where decentralized education

1226
01:01:12,209 --> 01:01:14,829
with all this, uh, hubs around the world.

1227
01:01:14,829 --> 01:01:16,819
I mean, they could definitely be on sub Atlantis,

1228
01:01:17,269 --> 01:01:19,619
uh, all sorts of things.

1229
01:01:19,669 --> 01:01:22,139
And yeah, it sounds like a powerful tool.

1230
01:01:22,349 --> 01:01:26,569
Yeah, I mean, the goal here is, and this is why, um, like I'm

1231
01:01:26,569 --> 01:01:31,219
definitely starting off with, uh, the Bitcoin and Nostra community,

1232
01:01:31,689 --> 01:01:33,159
first and foremost, for two reasons.

1233
01:01:33,169 --> 01:01:38,319
One, as a business, it gives us a beachhead, which is, we need to establish,

1234
01:01:38,714 --> 01:01:40,384
dominance in a particular vertical.

1235
01:01:40,704 --> 01:01:44,674
And the Bitcoin community is quite homogenous in some sense.

1236
01:01:44,674 --> 01:01:46,724
Like, sure, there's all these differences and everyone's fucking

1237
01:01:46,724 --> 01:01:47,794
fighting and yelling at each other.

1238
01:01:48,214 --> 01:01:53,744
But by and large, there's Bitcoin communities, Bitcoin circular economies,

1239
01:01:53,744 --> 01:01:56,064
Bitcoin groups, all this sort of stuff.

1240
01:01:56,074 --> 01:01:59,844
And people are spread across multiple apps that are all built

1241
01:01:59,854 --> 01:02:01,054
on tech that they don't like.

1242
01:02:02,294 --> 01:02:06,314
So like this, if you're a Bitcoin community manager or an organizer or

1243
01:02:06,314 --> 01:02:10,194
something like that, You've already, like, you've probably already got

1244
01:02:10,194 --> 01:02:13,134
a Nostr account, which means you've already, you're already on Statlantis.

1245
01:02:13,504 --> 01:02:15,064
So you're just logging in with your fucking Nostr account.

1246
01:02:15,084 --> 01:02:16,624
All your followers are there, everyone's there, right?

1247
01:02:16,904 --> 01:02:19,954
It's a different interface than a Twitter profile.

1248
01:02:20,464 --> 01:02:23,334
Which is what Primal and Damus and everything are like, which are fantastic,

1249
01:02:23,594 --> 01:02:24,994
if you want to do the Twitter thing.

1250
01:02:25,314 --> 01:02:29,654
But if you actually want to run a community and like, put events up, tag

1251
01:02:29,654 --> 01:02:31,234
merchants, tag people and all that sort of

1252
01:02:31,234 --> 01:02:32,194
It's the power of Nostr.

1253
01:02:32,294 --> 01:02:32,654
Exactly.

1254
01:02:32,664 --> 01:02:37,074
You go here, and you can put your meetup on there.

1255
01:02:37,084 --> 01:02:39,994
You can even create an impub for your meetup.

1256
01:02:40,044 --> 01:02:43,364
So that people can follow your meetup, so that every time you post

1257
01:02:43,404 --> 01:02:48,444
a meetup, which on Satlantis, an event is actually also a Nostr event.

1258
01:02:48,759 --> 01:02:52,719
So the entire Nostr network can see it and anybody, so from Primal I can RSVP

1259
01:02:52,739 --> 01:02:54,129
to an event that's been listed on Nostr.

1260
01:02:55,121 --> 01:02:57,081
you've been listed on Sant'Atlas, you mean.

1261
01:02:57,081 --> 01:02:59,391
Yeah.

1262
01:02:59,436 --> 01:03:02,656
is, so when you list something on Silantis, you list it on

1263
01:03:02,656 --> 01:03:04,406
Nostr, that's the power of it.

1264
01:03:04,621 --> 01:03:09,101
This reminds me of the positives of Facebook, like as in, as in

1265
01:03:09,111 --> 01:03:10,701
doing the positives of Facebook on

1266
01:03:10,846 --> 01:03:12,266
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

1267
01:03:12,396 --> 01:03:17,206
So like, so you could almost, in fact, you could almost think about Silantis

1268
01:03:17,246 --> 01:03:22,781
as a Facebook, um, but on Nostr, and You know, the people you're connecting

1269
01:03:22,781 --> 01:03:25,831
with, it's more like friendships than it is just following, right?

1270
01:03:25,841 --> 01:03:29,051
So you're connecting with people, and like, when you go to a city, on our

1271
01:03:29,051 --> 01:03:32,281
city page, you've got like the lineup of all the people, and you can see who are

1272
01:03:32,281 --> 01:03:35,161
ambassadors, who are residents, and you can just find out who the people are.

1273
01:03:35,391 --> 01:03:38,511
You see them because they're like also posting things in the feed.

1274
01:03:38,521 --> 01:03:40,271
You can see who's active, who's not, whatever.

1275
01:03:40,271 --> 01:03:44,441
You follow their profile, where like, I'll show you guys now, just so you've got a

1276
01:03:44,441 --> 01:03:50,646
sense, and you can put this obviously up on the um, on the screen, is the, Uh, the

1277
01:03:50,646 --> 01:03:55,576
profile page is gonna look like, that's what the profile page will look like.

1278
01:03:56,631 --> 01:03:56,731
Oh,

1279
01:03:56,731 --> 01:03:57,151
nice.

1280
01:03:57,166 --> 01:03:58,106
actually very much

1281
01:03:58,211 --> 01:03:58,821
It's like

1282
01:03:58,841 --> 01:03:59,451
Instagram,

1283
01:03:59,526 --> 01:03:59,906
exactly.

1284
01:04:00,096 --> 01:04:03,566
So, and then the merchant profile page looks like this.

1285
01:04:03,621 --> 01:04:04,121
Mm hmm.

1286
01:04:04,246 --> 01:04:05,996
this is what I mean, it's much more high powered.

1287
01:04:05,996 --> 01:04:10,326
Now, as a merchant now, you can build an audience, you can have all your

1288
01:04:10,326 --> 01:04:15,286
information, Like you have on Google, and you have all your ratings and reviews,

1289
01:04:15,766 --> 01:04:18,196
which are organized by Web of Trust.

1290
01:04:18,336 --> 01:04:22,006
So, the ratings and reviews you see, that I see, that you see, are all different,

1291
01:04:22,026 --> 01:04:23,786
because our Web of Trust is different.

1292
01:04:23,806 --> 01:04:24,036
So,

1293
01:04:24,446 --> 01:04:26,856
when we go to merchants, we no longer have to orange pill them.

1294
01:04:27,016 --> 01:04:30,396
Like, I'll go to a merchant tomorrow and I'll say, Hey, I won't say a fucking

1295
01:04:30,396 --> 01:04:33,526
word about Bitcoin, I won't say a word about Nostr, I'll just say, Hey, You can

1296
01:04:33,526 --> 01:04:36,726
claim your profile, you're already on Soutlantis, you can now claim it, and

1297
01:04:36,726 --> 01:04:40,966
you can build your audience, and you have access to the million people on Nostr

1298
01:04:40,986 --> 01:04:42,356
that are looking to find new merchants.

1299
01:04:43,006 --> 01:04:43,936
Every merchant wants that.

1300
01:04:44,051 --> 01:04:48,391
this, this is like revolutionizing ratings overall.

1301
01:04:48,391 --> 01:04:52,261
And so in the future, when I want to choose between Barbie and Oppenheimer,

1302
01:04:52,821 --> 01:04:58,441
Oppenheimer will get way higher ratings than Barbie because, because I'm,

1303
01:04:58,611 --> 01:05:00,701
that's what important to me.

1304
01:05:00,991 --> 01:05:07,321
Like, and when, you know, an eight year old girl goes and chooses between

1305
01:05:07,321 --> 01:05:09,031
the two, she will choose Barbie.

1306
01:05:09,061 --> 01:05:09,081
Yeah.

1307
01:05:09,146 --> 01:05:10,266
100%, exactly.

1308
01:05:10,266 --> 01:05:15,206
So I wrote an article about two months ago called Reviewing Reviews, and I dug

1309
01:05:15,256 --> 01:05:19,726
into this specific topic, it's like, how do we review the whole review space?

1310
01:05:20,171 --> 01:05:20,941
Well, this is how.

1311
01:05:20,971 --> 01:05:21,651
Web of Trust.

1312
01:05:22,596 --> 01:05:23,396
That's fantastic.

1313
01:05:23,966 --> 01:05:30,796
So, uh, a bit of a personal thing here, because I think you and I are alike in

1314
01:05:30,856 --> 01:05:36,586
one sense, and that is that we find a project and we deep dive passionately

1315
01:05:36,596 --> 01:05:41,276
into it for a certain amount of time, and then we get fucking bored with it and move

1316
01:05:41,276 --> 01:05:42,286
on to the next thing.

1317
01:05:43,046 --> 01:05:50,171
So, is Satlantis Like, is, have you found your thing now with Satlantis?

1318
01:05:50,191 --> 01:05:54,711
Like, is this your, your, is this the final Svetsky passion?

1319
01:05:54,721 --> 01:05:55,661
Like, is this the

1320
01:05:55,931 --> 01:05:56,291
thing?

1321
01:05:56,331 --> 01:05:57,451
like I found my ikigai.

1322
01:05:57,951 --> 01:05:58,901
You found your icky guy?

1323
01:05:59,311 --> 01:06:02,681
I have not felt like this since I found Bitcoin.

1324
01:06:02,731 --> 01:06:05,871
In fact, maybe even I'm more excited about this than Bitcoin.

1325
01:06:06,456 --> 01:06:11,366
Because, like, the things that I'm interested in, parallel systems, citadels,

1326
01:06:11,436 --> 01:06:17,816
kingdoms, network states, like, this, to me, long term, I imagine that in five

1327
01:06:17,816 --> 01:06:22,406
or ten years, like, cities will operate on this, because you'll have all the

1328
01:06:22,406 --> 01:06:24,886
people in the city, all the events, all the merchants, all that sort of stuff.

1329
01:06:27,476 --> 01:06:31,836
Will, like, this will be an operating system for the network state.

1330
01:06:31,876 --> 01:06:33,876
Like, if you want to run a city, this is where you'll run it.

1331
01:06:34,661 --> 01:06:36,071
With rating systems

1332
01:06:36,331 --> 01:06:37,501
tailored for you.

1333
01:06:37,611 --> 01:06:37,931
Like,

1334
01:06:38,346 --> 01:06:42,096
So you will see a city dynamically based on who you follow, what you're interested

1335
01:06:42,096 --> 01:06:43,936
in, what, like all this sort of thing.

1336
01:06:43,936 --> 01:06:47,716
So like, we'll all see our own version of Prague, our own version

1337
01:06:47,716 --> 01:06:51,416
of Bali, our own version of Madeira, and it'll transform based on Us.

1338
01:06:51,901 --> 01:06:56,551
like when you, when you called AI mid width obsolescence technology, I

1339
01:06:56,551 --> 01:06:59,571
sort of suspected that you wouldn't do Spirit of Satoshi forever.

1340
01:06:59,866 --> 01:07:00,826
no, no, no, no, no.

1341
01:07:00,866 --> 01:07:02,596
I got myself disillusioned very quickly there.

1342
01:07:02,801 --> 01:07:05,901
No, and just a, just one point to touch on is that the personalization

1343
01:07:05,931 --> 01:07:08,151
doesn't come at all from some algorithm.

1344
01:07:08,161 --> 01:07:10,991
It could, well, I mean, you've got some way of scoring it and figuring it

1345
01:07:10,991 --> 01:07:13,651
out, but it comes from the choices you

1346
01:07:13,946 --> 01:07:14,266
Correct.

1347
01:07:14,356 --> 01:07:14,696
Correct.

1348
01:07:14,716 --> 01:07:15,816
And it's your web of trust.

1349
01:07:15,846 --> 01:07:16,326
Exactly.

1350
01:07:16,491 --> 01:07:16,911
It's awesome.

1351
01:07:16,926 --> 01:07:17,406
So,

1352
01:07:17,471 --> 01:07:19,931
can you tweak the algorithm yourself also?

1353
01:07:20,061 --> 01:07:20,461
Like

1354
01:07:20,486 --> 01:07:23,596
I mean, I'm sure we'll come up with all sorts of really interesting things where

1355
01:07:23,596 --> 01:07:27,826
people might even, like, be able to build their own algorithm to sort of choose

1356
01:07:27,826 --> 01:07:29,246
what they see, what they don't see.

1357
01:07:29,246 --> 01:07:32,686
Like, so I'm, I'm sure it's going to evolve quite a bit, but like

1358
01:07:32,696 --> 01:07:39,616
in, in the early days, for example, um, the, like, we'll have to,

1359
01:07:39,726 --> 01:07:41,246
like, let me answer it this way.

1360
01:07:41,286 --> 01:07:43,456
Primal has nine algorithms.

1361
01:07:43,846 --> 01:07:44,756
That you can just choose from.

1362
01:07:44,816 --> 01:07:48,996
Latest, most zapped, most trending, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right?

1363
01:07:48,996 --> 01:07:52,756
So, we'll probably have a set of algorithms which is like,

1364
01:07:52,756 --> 01:07:55,326
hey, more places oriented.

1365
01:07:55,626 --> 01:07:59,046
So, the, the stuff that you see is more about the places you follow, less

1366
01:07:59,046 --> 01:08:00,576
about the people you follow, right?

1367
01:08:00,886 --> 01:08:02,586
Or it might be more merchant oriented.

1368
01:08:02,656 --> 01:08:04,976
You might be, you know, in a new city and you might want to see

1369
01:08:04,976 --> 01:08:07,856
more merchants, and that might be what pops up in the feed more.

1370
01:08:08,951 --> 01:08:12,321
So you might even have a I hate myself and I want to die algorithm that

1371
01:08:12,591 --> 01:08:14,811
gives you the worst places everywhere.

1372
01:08:15,436 --> 01:08:15,996
exactly.

1373
01:08:15,996 --> 01:08:17,056
So who knows?

1374
01:08:17,056 --> 01:08:20,266
So this is again the power of Nostr, but to come back to your question before,

1375
01:08:20,266 --> 01:08:21,626
it's like, is this the Svetsky thing?

1376
01:08:21,626 --> 01:08:23,676
So, I've done a bunch of things, obviously.

1377
01:08:23,746 --> 01:08:27,746
Um, you know, I built Amber, uh, I did the Bitcoin Times, I did the Uncommunist

1378
01:08:27,746 --> 01:08:31,566
Manifesto, I did Spirit of Satoshi recently, and look, I, I have to admit,

1379
01:08:31,566 --> 01:08:37,456
the Spirit of Satoshi thing was an interesting, uh, uh, experiment, like,

1380
01:08:37,566 --> 01:08:41,956
I, I saw the AI thing, I was like, this is interesting, I went down the rabbit

1381
01:08:41,956 --> 01:08:47,106
hole, and what I did was, I was like, look, let me learn by building a business,

1382
01:08:47,146 --> 01:08:51,806
so that I can go deep, so I went deep, built a business, realized that this is

1383
01:08:51,806 --> 01:08:55,326
not a fucking business, Um, so we open sourced it, gave it to the community

1384
01:08:55,326 --> 01:08:58,386
for free, and along the way I really quickly discovered that AI is a big scam.

1385
01:08:58,786 --> 01:09:03,786
Um, and, that being said, um, you know, we built a tool, we open sourced it, we

1386
01:09:03,786 --> 01:09:06,596
did the right thing by the community, we spent our money on building it.

1387
01:09:06,966 --> 01:09:09,866
We made a little bit of money out of like people wanting us to

1388
01:09:09,866 --> 01:09:12,256
integrate it and stuff like that, but there was no business there.

1389
01:09:12,276 --> 01:09:17,866
So this came out of like, so if I hadn't done the AI thing, there's a chance I

1390
01:09:17,866 --> 01:09:21,956
wouldn't have found this because it came out of remember a AI concierge for travel

1391
01:09:22,456 --> 01:09:24,386
and it all just happened serendipitously.

1392
01:09:24,386 --> 01:09:24,626
But.

1393
01:09:25,121 --> 01:09:28,121
This is the thing, like, man, I have not felt the level of

1394
01:09:28,121 --> 01:09:30,121
energy I felt on this thing.

1395
01:09:30,181 --> 01:09:35,081
Like, I'm pumping out 16, 17, 18 hour days every single day, like, I fucking

1396
01:09:35,081 --> 01:09:37,771
feel alive, and it just fits me.

1397
01:09:37,771 --> 01:09:40,571
It's like, the thing that the world needs, the thing I'm good at, I know

1398
01:09:40,571 --> 01:09:43,321
how to build communities, I know how to promote a product, I know how to,

1399
01:09:43,321 --> 01:09:47,591
like, bootstrap something like this, I, it is the product that I want.

1400
01:09:47,621 --> 01:09:51,031
I've traveled to all these 50 countries, so, like, I want to build it for me as

1401
01:09:51,031 --> 01:09:52,351
much as I want to build it for the world.

1402
01:09:52,351 --> 01:09:54,531
So, like, it just ticks all of the boxes.

1403
01:09:54,961 --> 01:09:58,151
And, and it's got potential, which is something I really like get drawn to,

1404
01:09:58,151 --> 01:10:02,461
like, I like the things that are big, and for me, this, like, has the opportunity

1405
01:10:02,491 --> 01:10:06,721
to be extremely big, so, um, yeah, to your point, like, I am dedicating

1406
01:10:06,721 --> 01:10:09,731
the next 10, 15 years of my life to this thing, this is what I want to do.

1407
01:10:10,161 --> 01:10:10,851
Fantastic.

1408
01:10:11,201 --> 01:10:12,391
Very happy to hear that.

1409
01:10:12,491 --> 01:10:15,471
And like life is path dependent

1410
01:10:15,501 --> 01:10:16,031
for sure.

1411
01:10:16,061 --> 01:10:19,801
Like, so, so, uh, I don't believe everything happens for

1412
01:10:19,801 --> 01:10:21,521
a reason and all that wooshy

1413
01:10:21,521 --> 01:10:23,021
wooshy.

1414
01:10:23,021 --> 01:10:27,851
But, but I do believe that there's something to be learned from almost every

1415
01:10:27,851 --> 01:10:31,121
experience you have, like, uh, and it's more about figuring out what you don't

1416
01:10:31,121 --> 01:10:35,521
want to do than figuring out what, like, what you want to do will materialize if

1417
01:10:35,521 --> 01:10:37,161
you just figure out what you don't like.

1418
01:10:37,461 --> 01:10:38,281
Like, like.

1419
01:10:38,451 --> 01:10:42,371
and it's sort of like Bitcoin being the noise remover rather than the signal.

1420
01:10:42,371 --> 01:10:43,401
That's how you get there.

1421
01:10:43,401 --> 01:10:47,141
It's just a tool to get there to, okay, my passion is this

1422
01:10:47,171 --> 01:10:48,471
because I hate everything else.

1423
01:10:49,166 --> 01:10:49,816
Mm hmm.

1424
01:10:50,226 --> 01:10:53,286
And I should say, there is people out there doing AI stuff, and you

1425
01:10:53,286 --> 01:10:54,706
know, there's some genuine people.

1426
01:10:54,736 --> 01:10:58,476
And I can't sit here and say that it's completely useless.

1427
01:10:58,666 --> 01:11:01,826
Like, there is use cases, obviously, right?

1428
01:11:01,906 --> 01:11:07,851
Um, the thing is, it's just one of those industries that are just like, 99 percent

1429
01:11:07,851 --> 01:11:12,221
fluff and 1 percent like real like it's just it's really like shit coining, right?

1430
01:11:12,307 --> 01:11:13,601
It's just it's most

1431
01:11:14,041 --> 01:11:15,891
stopped using the term blockchain and now

1432
01:11:15,891 --> 01:11:17,166
they're AI bros.

1433
01:11:17,421 --> 01:11:18,511
and it's it's really annoying.

1434
01:11:18,511 --> 01:11:21,191
So and it's funny like There was an opportunity.

1435
01:11:21,191 --> 01:11:24,441
We did actually find product market fit in one space in the AI space,

1436
01:11:24,711 --> 01:11:29,101
which was There's two types of companies that make money in AI.

1437
01:11:29,381 --> 01:11:32,821
There is the people selling GPUs or GPU time, right?

1438
01:11:32,821 --> 01:11:36,531
So Nvidia or Amazon or Google or whatever and the other big

1439
01:11:36,541 --> 01:11:39,521
companies that are making shitload of money is the data annotation

1440
01:11:39,531 --> 01:11:41,631
services So like, there's um, Scale.

1441
01:11:41,631 --> 01:11:42,621
ai and stuff like that.

1442
01:11:42,621 --> 01:11:42,861
Scale.

1443
01:11:42,861 --> 01:11:45,251
ai just raised 8 billion dollars or something ridiculous.

1444
01:11:45,601 --> 01:11:49,261
And how they make money is OpenAI will come to them and they'll

1445
01:11:49,261 --> 01:11:52,761
say, We need massive datasets that are actually annotated.

1446
01:11:53,151 --> 01:11:55,671
So they pay lots of humans to annotate this data and

1447
01:11:55,671 --> 01:11:56,821
they make shitloads of money.

1448
01:11:56,821 --> 01:12:00,671
So when OpenAI says, We spent, you know, 10 billion dollars building

1449
01:12:00,671 --> 01:12:05,631
ChatGPT, they spent 2 billion with NVIDIA, they spent 8 billion with Scale.

1450
01:12:05,631 --> 01:12:06,031
ai.

1451
01:12:06,076 --> 01:12:09,566
Yes, this is what you told me about what you did to my book, like, when

1452
01:12:09,716 --> 01:12:10,706
it went into the spirit of Sotosi.

1453
01:12:11,616 --> 01:12:13,806
You had to reformulate everything into questions

1454
01:12:13,806 --> 01:12:14,556
and answers.

1455
01:12:14,601 --> 01:12:15,121
Exactly.

1456
01:12:15,501 --> 01:12:17,071
So we built a tool.

1457
01:12:17,501 --> 01:12:21,621
That paid people anonymously with Lightning to do that and we

1458
01:12:21,621 --> 01:12:23,491
built a little consensus model and all that sort of stuff.

1459
01:12:23,491 --> 01:12:27,781
So we were about to, so before I stumbled onto Atlantis, we were about to pivot

1460
01:12:27,781 --> 01:12:32,051
the company into being a data annotation service using Lightning and using our

1461
01:12:32,051 --> 01:12:35,941
little consensus model to ensure that people anonymously could answer things

1462
01:12:36,201 --> 01:12:37,981
and do proof of knowledge basically.

1463
01:12:38,506 --> 01:12:41,166
And that's where we were going to go.

1464
01:12:41,186 --> 01:12:45,986
But the more I hung around the AI people, the more I felt I was surrounded by dorks.

1465
01:12:46,286 --> 01:12:49,576
I was like, what the fuck is this industry full of?

1466
01:12:49,616 --> 01:12:51,526
Like at least in the Bitcoin space, as much as like.

1467
01:12:52,131 --> 01:12:54,951
Bitcoiners piss me off, or like, some Bitcoiners piss me off.

1468
01:12:55,311 --> 01:12:56,541
There's cool people, like you guys.

1469
01:12:56,581 --> 01:12:57,361
I fucking love you both.

1470
01:12:57,611 --> 01:12:59,881
Like, and there's like some really, seriously, there's

1471
01:12:59,881 --> 01:13:00,891
some really good Bitcoiners.

1472
01:13:01,181 --> 01:13:03,941
Francis's, like, there's some really good people in here.

1473
01:13:04,221 --> 01:13:06,291
And they're like mission driven for a different reason.

1474
01:13:06,291 --> 01:13:11,671
Like, the AI nerds, they're just like fucking bowing at the altar of a fucking

1475
01:13:11,681 --> 01:13:13,251
god that's gonna come out of the circuits.

1476
01:13:13,251 --> 01:13:15,401
Like, the kind of cringe shit you would not believe.

1477
01:13:15,421 --> 01:13:16,871
Like, it's really, really bad.

1478
01:13:16,971 --> 01:13:17,121
I

1479
01:13:17,121 --> 01:13:17,291
can

1480
01:13:17,451 --> 01:13:20,801
I was like, am I gonna spend the next three to five years building a

1481
01:13:20,801 --> 01:13:22,916
company Surrounded by these people?

1482
01:13:22,966 --> 01:13:24,066
I was like, fuck that shit.

1483
01:13:24,076 --> 01:13:27,286
And I had investors ready to give me money for the data annotation service,

1484
01:13:27,376 --> 01:13:31,806
like, I was ahead of another company who, um, just raised 10 million.

1485
01:13:31,826 --> 01:13:34,426
So I had some investors lined up, I could have easily raised some money for that.

1486
01:13:34,716 --> 01:13:36,386
And I was like, you know what, fuck that.

1487
01:13:36,566 --> 01:13:39,756
We're doing like, you know, that, um, that meme with the car and like, you got

1488
01:13:39,756 --> 01:13:41,756
the two signs, and he just like swerves.

1489
01:13:42,246 --> 01:13:42,896
Yeah, that was me.

1490
01:13:42,896 --> 01:13:44,136
I was like, whoa, one direction.

1491
01:13:44,136 --> 01:13:44,976
I was like, fuck this.

1492
01:13:45,026 --> 01:13:45,696
I swerved.

1493
01:13:46,106 --> 01:13:48,596
And I went back to all my investors.

1494
01:13:48,596 --> 01:13:51,471
And I said, Hey, guys, I'll I know we're going to build an

1495
01:13:51,471 --> 01:13:53,851
AI business, but now we're not.

1496
01:13:54,551 --> 01:13:56,561
I'm taking the team and we're doing something different.

1497
01:13:56,991 --> 01:13:58,031
And do you know what?

1498
01:13:58,151 --> 01:14:00,961
Every single one of my investors, they said one thing to me.

1499
01:14:00,991 --> 01:14:04,181
They said, Aleks, I backed the business because of you and the team,

1500
01:14:04,191 --> 01:14:05,681
not because of what you're doing.

1501
01:14:06,001 --> 01:14:08,681
And I can sense your energy in this.

1502
01:14:09,381 --> 01:14:11,651
Every single investor topped up their investment.

1503
01:14:11,851 --> 01:14:13,931
And we recapitalized the business.

1504
01:14:13,931 --> 01:14:15,131
And now we're at full stream on this.

1505
01:14:15,621 --> 01:14:16,581
excellent news.

1506
01:14:16,811 --> 01:14:20,241
So, so, okay, Nostr is still super small

1507
01:14:20,251 --> 01:14:25,771
in comparison to, like, everything else and Bitcoin itself is fairly small in

1508
01:14:25,771 --> 01:14:27,091
comparison to a lot of other things.

1509
01:14:27,101 --> 01:14:31,991
So there's, like, Are you afraid that you're, you're like, uh, that,

1510
01:14:32,151 --> 01:14:35,651
that it will take a long time for these technologies to take off?

1511
01:14:35,671 --> 01:14:40,971
Like, uh, what if Satlantis isn't a thing until like 20 years from now?

1512
01:14:41,106 --> 01:14:41,406
Mm mm.

1513
01:14:41,956 --> 01:14:46,126
Yeah, I mean, I don't think 20 years is realistic because if we're still

1514
01:14:46,126 --> 01:14:49,831
fucking around with Nostr and 20 years we're Really, up shit creek without a

1515
01:14:49,831 --> 01:14:55,831
paddle, so I think these things will tend to move quicker, um, not Bitcoin

1516
01:14:56,211 --> 01:14:59,401
so much, because Bitcoin is a monetary thing, so it's going to take way longer,

1517
01:14:59,401 --> 01:15:04,611
it's going to take a couple generations, but Nostr specifically, uh, is quite

1518
01:15:04,611 --> 01:15:09,256
interesting because the web is just Dying like it's it's getting worse and

1519
01:15:09,256 --> 01:15:12,726
worse and worse like, you know We were living in the age of death by captures

1520
01:15:12,766 --> 01:15:16,226
like even on signal and this whole week.

1521
01:15:16,426 --> 01:15:21,606
I've been trying to prove my humanity To signal through captures like prove

1522
01:15:21,606 --> 01:15:24,216
that you're human so that you can send a message I'm about to launch

1523
01:15:24,216 --> 01:15:25,236
my phone out the window, right?

1524
01:15:25,266 --> 01:15:28,946
So it's like the whole world like the whole Internet is like getting bogged

1525
01:15:28,956 --> 01:15:31,896
down in this like account hell, right?

1526
01:15:34,546 --> 01:15:37,296
Nostr fixes this because there's no more accounts anymore.

1527
01:15:37,316 --> 01:15:37,946
It's like,

1528
01:15:38,751 --> 01:15:38,921
Yeah.

1529
01:15:38,921 --> 01:15:40,001
Yeah.

1530
01:15:40,056 --> 01:15:43,146
and you can just put your key in anything, and you, it's no longer

1531
01:15:43,146 --> 01:15:44,736
logging in, it's actually unlocking

1532
01:15:44,981 --> 01:15:45,151
Yeah.

1533
01:15:45,636 --> 01:15:46,136
access.

1534
01:15:46,896 --> 01:15:49,106
So, I think the web fundamentally needs this.

1535
01:15:49,106 --> 01:15:54,841
Now, the question is, how do we get Nostr into the hands of many, many people.

1536
01:15:54,841 --> 01:15:56,971
And this is something that we've like really discussed in

1537
01:15:56,971 --> 01:15:58,451
depth, uh, in with the team.

1538
01:15:58,451 --> 01:16:05,491
It's like, we cannot be a Nostr first or Bitcoin first product in the marketplace.

1539
01:16:05,491 --> 01:16:07,151
Like that cannot be our message.

1540
01:16:07,241 --> 01:16:07,741
All right.

1541
01:16:07,811 --> 01:16:08,981
That's got to be abstracted

1542
01:16:09,081 --> 01:16:12,721
there's a slide around about ways, way to hyper nostrification.

1543
01:16:12,961 --> 01:16:13,511
a hundred percent.

1544
01:16:13,521 --> 01:16:15,211
So when people.

1545
01:16:15,691 --> 01:16:16,371
Create an account.

1546
01:16:16,381 --> 01:16:18,311
So, unfortunately, we have to do the create an account.

1547
01:16:18,321 --> 01:16:21,521
So, so the trade off we have to make is that you do have to create an account,

1548
01:16:22,111 --> 01:16:27,511
um, on Stellantis, but the way you do it is with a username and password, not with

1549
01:16:27,511 --> 01:16:31,161
an mpub, and unless you're an advanced user, you can choose advanced if you

1550
01:16:31,161 --> 01:16:32,421
want, and you can get your mpub in NSEC,

1551
01:16:32,841 --> 01:16:33,201
Okay.

1552
01:16:33,511 --> 01:16:36,751
but for a normie, we've, we, we call it out, we, we've got two

1553
01:16:36,751 --> 01:16:39,301
sign up flows internally, we call it normie friendly, and you

1554
01:16:40,511 --> 01:16:41,781
yeah, And remnant.

1555
01:16:42,076 --> 01:16:42,436
a remnant.

1556
01:16:42,436 --> 01:16:43,146
That's what we should call it.

1557
01:16:43,146 --> 01:16:43,656
Normie Friendly

1558
01:16:43,751 --> 01:16:44,231
it Remnant.

1559
01:16:44,326 --> 01:16:45,016
Are you a remnant?

1560
01:16:45,576 --> 01:16:46,366
Like if you click,

1561
01:16:46,561 --> 01:16:46,721
Yeah.

1562
01:16:46,721 --> 01:16:46,951
Yeah.

1563
01:16:47,646 --> 01:16:49,826
if you click remnant, you know what you're doing.

1564
01:16:52,156 --> 01:16:54,376
For most people, like, they'll create an account.

1565
01:16:54,416 --> 01:16:56,456
They won't even know they're on fucking Nostr.

1566
01:16:57,286 --> 01:16:58,106
It's abstracted.

1567
01:16:58,886 --> 01:16:59,986
It's like, it's hidden.

1568
01:17:00,046 --> 01:17:00,786
It's abstracted.

1569
01:17:01,226 --> 01:17:06,386
They will discover the Nostr piece later when they realize that in their account,

1570
01:17:06,706 --> 01:17:10,976
There's a fucking set of digits with show money and they're like can do something

1571
01:17:10,976 --> 01:17:17,136
with that money and we can say somewhere in their profile that with this key, you

1572
01:17:17,136 --> 01:17:21,586
can go log into Primal and everything else and they start to get that experience.

1573
01:17:21,586 --> 01:17:23,536
But you can't lead with that.

1574
01:17:23,776 --> 01:17:29,016
You have to lead with, um, With user experience, with utility, et cetera,

1575
01:17:29,031 --> 01:17:29,431
Okay.

1576
01:17:29,431 --> 01:17:35,631
So you're the sort of the Jack Mallers remittances guy of, uh, um,

1577
01:17:36,071 --> 01:17:38,591
uh, reviews, Nostr reviews reviews.

1578
01:17:39,366 --> 01:17:39,866
possibly.

1579
01:17:39,866 --> 01:17:40,266
I don't know.

1580
01:17:40,576 --> 01:17:43,516
I mean, let, let me give you one more, um, way to think about Nostr.

1581
01:17:43,516 --> 01:17:46,346
And I think this is what I'm going to be pitching, like, cause you know, I've

1582
01:17:46,346 --> 01:17:50,346
got quite a few networks in like the nomad space and the creator, content

1583
01:17:50,346 --> 01:17:54,426
creator space and all this sort of stuff, content creators, and particularly

1584
01:17:54,426 --> 01:17:57,906
those who, you know, really know how to build accounts and do, you know,

1585
01:17:57,926 --> 01:18:00,496
online marketing and stuff like that, you know, call it the influencers,

1586
01:18:00,516 --> 01:18:02,756
whatever these people, they will always.

1587
01:18:03,141 --> 01:18:06,601
LARP on about, or not, I shouldn't say LARP, they'll always push

1588
01:18:06,651 --> 01:18:11,361
the idea that the only list that you own is your email list.

1589
01:18:11,791 --> 01:18:12,941
Every other list is rented.

1590
01:18:13,521 --> 01:18:14,951
Your Twitter followers are rented.

1591
01:18:15,041 --> 01:18:16,241
Your Instagram followers are rented.

1592
01:18:16,501 --> 01:18:17,821
YouTube subscribers are rented.

1593
01:18:18,141 --> 01:18:18,581
Why?

1594
01:18:19,121 --> 01:18:19,911
Because they're not yours.

1595
01:18:20,291 --> 01:18:21,831
And everybody actually knows that.

1596
01:18:22,461 --> 01:18:25,291
Because if you get banned off any of these or something changes, whatever,

1597
01:18:25,721 --> 01:18:27,221
Your audience is useless, right?

1598
01:18:28,461 --> 01:18:35,691
Noster is like email in a social graph because on Noster you own your account,

1599
01:18:35,931 --> 01:18:39,831
you own your followers, you own all of it, and it's completely portable.

1600
01:18:40,131 --> 01:18:41,781
So what you build is like email.

1601
01:18:41,786 --> 01:18:42,681
So that's the pitch.

1602
01:18:42,681 --> 01:18:46,821
So what I'm looking for as a entrepreneur and I don't kind of consider, you

1603
01:18:46,821 --> 01:18:48,291
know, there's, there's definitely like.

1604
01:18:48,601 --> 01:18:52,061
Lots of Steve Wozniak's in the Nostr space and I'm not just saying this to

1605
01:18:52,061 --> 01:18:55,401
blow smoke up my ass But my brain operates more like a Steve Jobs or a Bezos.

1606
01:18:55,891 --> 01:18:58,471
I don't write the code, but I see something magnificent I'm like

1607
01:18:59,091 --> 01:19:00,421
fuck this could be used this way.

1608
01:19:00,801 --> 01:19:04,351
So the two Contributions that I've tried to make so far to

1609
01:19:04,351 --> 01:19:05,921
the Nostr space is the framing.

1610
01:19:05,941 --> 01:19:11,151
Framing one being that Nostr is Social as a service, I can plug a social graph

1611
01:19:11,211 --> 01:19:15,611
into any application, number one, and number two is the framing of Nostr

1612
01:19:15,611 --> 01:19:20,901
is like email In that you own your followers and you can port them anywhere.

1613
01:19:21,191 --> 01:19:21,531
So it's

1614
01:19:21,851 --> 01:19:22,941
and not a, not an

1615
01:19:23,071 --> 01:19:23,901
well, it is exactly.

1616
01:19:23,901 --> 01:19:27,321
But if you say, you know, Nostr is a protocol, like email is a protocol,

1617
01:19:27,321 --> 01:19:28,771
SMTP, you lose people straight away.

1618
01:19:28,821 --> 01:19:32,701
But you say like, if you own your list, like you own your email list,

1619
01:19:32,841 --> 01:19:34,021
that's why it's more valuable.

1620
01:19:34,271 --> 01:19:38,021
Um, you own your follower list and that's why it's more valuable.

1621
01:19:38,021 --> 01:19:39,751
I think we'll get these people slowly by slowly.

1622
01:19:39,881 --> 01:19:41,511
Here's a philosophical question.

1623
01:19:41,511 --> 01:19:43,151
I thought of before that I have to ask you.

1624
01:19:43,601 --> 01:19:48,501
When you, when you fill out the CAPTCHA, how do you know that you're not a robot?

1625
01:19:49,181 --> 01:19:49,901
How do I know that I'm not a

1626
01:19:50,121 --> 01:19:53,631
Yes, uh, would you know that you're not a robot if you were one?

1627
01:19:54,261 --> 01:19:58,041
Uh, um,

1628
01:19:59,331 --> 01:20:00,401
Okay, sidetracked.

1629
01:20:00,401 --> 01:20:00,981
I just know,

1630
01:20:01,691 --> 01:20:02,581
I just know, okay?

1631
01:20:02,681 --> 01:20:03,291
That's the answer.

1632
01:20:03,535 --> 01:20:04,057
answer.

1633
01:20:04,491 --> 01:20:05,271
There's no source.

1634
01:20:05,271 --> 01:20:05,851
You know that,

1635
01:20:06,061 --> 01:20:07,891
that's what C3PO said, yeah.

1636
01:20:07,971 --> 01:20:10,030
that, poor guy.

1637
01:20:10,530 --> 01:20:14,250
Um, well, that's why I just don't believe in AI as well, because it's such a scam.

1638
01:20:14,470 --> 01:20:14,690
Yeah,

1639
01:20:15,415 --> 01:20:18,565
Well, okay, so backtracking a second, you said something about that

1640
01:20:18,565 --> 01:20:21,575
we're still, I don't know, screwing around with Nostr in 20 years.

1641
01:20:21,795 --> 01:20:24,035
Did you mean that in the sense of that it's going to take

1642
01:20:24,035 --> 01:20:25,275
over within that time frame?

1643
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:25,560
Yeah,

1644
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:26,240
totally, exactly.

1645
01:20:26,250 --> 01:20:26,630
That's what I mean.

1646
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:29,950
Like, if we're still, like, trying to figure out how to make Nostr mainstream

1647
01:20:29,950 --> 01:20:31,220
in 20 years, we missed the boat.

1648
01:20:31,580 --> 01:20:34,080
Like, the internet is shifting right now.

1649
01:20:34,430 --> 01:20:37,860
The internet is really, really, really shifting because we're in the age of

1650
01:20:38,660 --> 01:20:43,320
deepfakes, you know, AI bullshit, like, midwittery, like, if we thought the

1651
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:47,490
amount of bad content out there was a lot, like, it's about to get a thousand times

1652
01:20:47,695 --> 01:20:47,965
Yeah.

1653
01:20:48,205 --> 01:20:48,565
It's all

1654
01:20:48,565 --> 01:20:49,855
regurgitated bullshit.

1655
01:20:49,855 --> 01:20:49,915
Yeah.

1656
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:54,070
and like, we're gonna have just regurgitation, it's like, it's

1657
01:20:54,070 --> 01:20:58,080
gonna be regurgitation, like, to the fucking nth degree, right?

1658
01:20:58,510 --> 01:21:04,610
So, we need to start building an internet which is more web of trust oriented.

1659
01:21:04,935 --> 01:21:08,115
And the best solution I've seen to date is Nostr by far.

1660
01:21:08,445 --> 01:21:10,925
Krivalo is doing some stuff with like, slash tags, etc.

1661
01:21:11,855 --> 01:21:13,645
I love Krivalo, he's probably gonna listen to this, he's gonna hate me

1662
01:21:13,645 --> 01:21:18,905
for saying this, but the internet won because it was dirty, and it wasn't

1663
01:21:18,905 --> 01:21:23,005
perfect, but it got the adoption and it got the activity on it.

1664
01:21:23,305 --> 01:21:25,385
Krivalo is trying to build something really perfect in an

1665
01:21:27,345 --> 01:21:28,545
And no one else is adopting it.

1666
01:21:28,545 --> 01:21:32,005
So sure, Nostr might not be perfect, Bitcoin was also not

1667
01:21:32,035 --> 01:21:33,965
perfect, but it is the thing that,

1668
01:21:34,115 --> 01:21:34,595
good enough to

1669
01:21:34,595 --> 01:21:35,255
last forever.

1670
01:21:35,260 --> 01:21:35,540
exactly, Yeah.

1671
01:21:35,545 --> 01:21:35,975
exactly.

1672
01:21:35,985 --> 01:21:36,245
So,

1673
01:21:36,795 --> 01:21:40,475
Nostr, the internet, Bitcoin, all have these sort of similar qualities, is

1674
01:21:40,475 --> 01:21:42,075
that that's where the activity is.

1675
01:21:42,245 --> 01:21:43,600
And that's why I'm putting my weight on it.

1676
01:21:43,860 --> 01:21:47,780
Behind Nostr because there's a bunch of stuff happening there and

1677
01:21:48,326 --> 01:21:48,526
Yeah.

1678
01:21:48,821 --> 01:21:53,621
I, I, this is one thing we ask million, and that is how, how the,

1679
01:21:53,621 --> 01:21:55,511
the word hyper ossification came up.

1680
01:21:55,781 --> 01:21:56,381
Like, what?

1681
01:21:56,561 --> 01:21:57,941
And I think I know your answer.

1682
01:21:57,941 --> 01:21:58,811
What happens first?

1683
01:21:58,811 --> 01:21:59,861
Hyper colonization.

1684
01:21:59,861 --> 01:22:00,941
Hyper ossification.

1685
01:22:02,481 --> 01:22:06,691
Because, because hyperbitcoinization is money and takes generations.

1686
01:22:08,911 --> 01:22:11,401
Why can't hyperbitcoinization be fast?

1687
01:22:12,116 --> 01:22:15,146
uh, because it's a generational thing.

1688
01:22:15,166 --> 01:22:22,136
So like our, our, us as an older generation, we, um, you know, maybe a few

1689
01:22:22,136 --> 01:22:25,166
of us can operate within the paradigm of

1690
01:22:25,736 --> 01:22:31,346
Bitcoin as money, but fundamentally speaking, like it takes a few generations

1691
01:22:31,346 --> 01:22:34,616
for people to be, uh, unwired.

1692
01:22:34,686 --> 01:22:36,866
So like we grew up with one foot in the.

1693
01:22:37,391 --> 01:22:38,561
Old world, one foot in the new world.

1694
01:22:38,591 --> 01:22:42,071
You even look at our parents like, you know, my mom still

1695
01:22:42,221 --> 01:22:43,451
doesn't like internet banking.

1696
01:22:44,451 --> 01:22:46,071
You know, like, and, and even though, bless her,

1697
01:22:46,551 --> 01:22:47,361
uh, bless her, exactly.

1698
01:22:47,366 --> 01:22:50,301
But like, she, but she's still just, there's just something about it she

1699
01:22:50,301 --> 01:22:52,881
doesn't trust, even though it's been around now for 20 years, whatever.

1700
01:22:52,881 --> 01:22:54,711
Like, she, she still doesn't trust it because she's part

1701
01:22:54,711 --> 01:22:56,421
of that older generation now.

1702
01:22:56,621 --> 01:22:58,001
She told me to say hi, by the way.

1703
01:22:58,251 --> 01:22:58,451
Yeah.

1704
01:22:58,991 --> 01:23:03,471
Thank you . Um, she, um.

1705
01:23:05,571 --> 01:23:11,911
The kids born 2010 onwards, they will grow up in a world where

1706
01:23:12,501 --> 01:23:14,011
Bitcoin just exists by default.

1707
01:23:14,451 --> 01:23:18,331
Like they will fundamentally have a different relationship to it than we will.

1708
01:23:19,041 --> 01:23:20,941
And they will treat Bitcoin differently.

1709
01:23:20,941 --> 01:23:27,746
So our generation, That grew up like with Bitcoin, um, this 20

1710
01:23:27,756 --> 01:23:31,156
years that sort of like call it just like 2010 to 2030, right?

1711
01:23:31,406 --> 01:23:34,786
That first generation of Bitcoin is fundamentally the age of

1712
01:23:34,786 --> 01:23:38,886
speculation because those with the capital, which is people 20 years

1713
01:23:38,886 --> 01:23:41,196
and older, uh, during that phase

1714
01:23:42,993 --> 01:23:47,608
had one foot in the old world, one foot in the new world, and they By definition

1715
01:23:47,628 --> 01:23:50,328
had to compare Bitcoin to the fiat system

1716
01:23:51,248 --> 01:23:54,788
and a comparison is an exchange like we are comparing we are comparing Bitcoin

1717
01:23:54,788 --> 01:23:58,038
to the old world So it's like they're the people in the generation after us

1718
01:23:58,688 --> 01:24:01,908
We will they will not compare it in the same way because they will have grown

1719
01:24:01,908 --> 01:24:04,928
up with Bitcoin and for them It will no longer be a speculative instrument.

1720
01:24:04,928 --> 01:24:08,878
So generation one is speculation So speculation is still going to go until

1721
01:24:08,878 --> 01:24:13,168
2030 like that's going to be the main thing 2030 to 2050 the next generation

1722
01:24:13,168 --> 01:24:17,478
will be Utility, functionality, people look to build with it, and that's

1723
01:24:17,478 --> 01:24:20,398
still not hyperbitcoinization, it'll be the generation that comes after that.

1724
01:24:21,033 --> 01:24:26,923
who have no concept of fucking fiat, what, paper money, who, like, nothing, like,

1725
01:24:26,923 --> 01:24:30,443
they'll be the children of the children that came after us, and when they come of

1726
01:24:30,443 --> 01:24:37,413
age, so, 2070, when they're 20 years old, um, that will be when hyperbitcoinization

1727
01:24:38,213 --> 01:24:42,253
is more likely to occur, not anytime soon, so that's why I think it's generational,

1728
01:24:42,588 --> 01:24:45,438
Yeah, I, um, I agree to a large extent.

1729
01:24:45,488 --> 01:24:51,458
I think I see it as Bitcoin is different things to different people.

1730
01:24:51,458 --> 01:24:53,818
And it's also different timelines to different people.

1731
01:24:54,148 --> 01:24:57,108
Hyperbitcoinization is not a homogenous thing, not at all.

1732
01:24:57,608 --> 01:25:03,878
I think there's a great risk or chance that only a tenth of the population

1733
01:25:03,878 --> 01:25:08,738
will ever get Bitcoin to any, like, meaningful extent, if even that.

1734
01:25:09,393 --> 01:25:12,633
and maybe that's just How it's gonna have to happen because,

1735
01:25:13,063 --> 01:25:15,903
uh, most people are just not gonna get it, they're just gonna use it, and

1736
01:25:16,128 --> 01:25:17,828
and then we're back to a patriarchy.

1737
01:25:19,268 --> 01:25:19,678
Great!

1738
01:25:19,793 --> 01:25:21,463
Yeah, and that's why I'm building Statlantis.

1739
01:25:22,683 --> 01:25:23,893
So I can be Kingmaker.

1740
01:25:24,198 --> 01:25:27,728
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no more, you know, remakes of Snow White.

1741
01:25:28,138 --> 01:25:28,418
Yeah.

1742
01:25:28,913 --> 01:25:29,153
Done.

1743
01:25:30,138 --> 01:25:30,198
totally.

1744
01:25:30,198 --> 01:25:31,878
Aleks, anything else you wanted to bring up?

1745
01:25:31,878 --> 01:25:34,078
I think this has been an awesome conversation.

1746
01:25:34,283 --> 01:25:34,883
Yeah, absolutely.

1747
01:25:34,883 --> 01:25:38,828
I mean, I think the last thing I'll say is that You know,

1748
01:25:39,758 --> 01:25:41,268
Satlanta is really an experiment.

1749
01:25:41,448 --> 01:25:46,008
So I, you know, more people know me from writing and philosophizing

1750
01:25:46,008 --> 01:25:46,898
and yelling on Twitter, right?

1751
01:25:46,948 --> 01:25:49,718
Like, but my vocation has always been entrepreneurial.

1752
01:25:49,888 --> 01:25:53,288
Like I've always built things and you know, some things have failed,

1753
01:25:53,298 --> 01:25:54,858
something's seeded, whatever.

1754
01:25:54,908 --> 01:25:55,188
Right.

1755
01:25:55,558 --> 01:25:59,998
Um, I, you know, I will always go and build things and I'm a, I'm a product guy.

1756
01:25:59,998 --> 01:26:01,328
I like to create stuff.

1757
01:26:01,358 --> 01:26:04,058
And for me, the thing that's really exciting about Satlanta

1758
01:26:04,058 --> 01:26:06,108
is that just something like this doesn't actually exist.

1759
01:26:07,273 --> 01:26:11,243
Like, it really is, like, cutting edge, and I don't know, like, I have a, I have

1760
01:26:11,243 --> 01:26:16,293
a vision, I think I know where we want to go, I think this, I, at least the North

1761
01:26:16,293 --> 01:26:21,013
Star vision for me is that travel in the future, or community, or living, living

1762
01:26:21,013 --> 01:26:24,063
and lifestyle and travel and all that sort of stuff, is going to be dynamic.

1763
01:26:24,518 --> 01:26:28,708
And what lives under that umbrella is everything from which restaurant to go

1764
01:26:28,708 --> 01:26:31,208
to, which place to visit, what event to go to, all that sort of stuff, right?

1765
01:26:31,648 --> 01:26:34,188
It's going to be dynamic, and what that means is it's going to be influenced

1766
01:26:34,188 --> 01:26:37,018
by what you're interested in, what you've liked, what you've zapped,

1767
01:26:37,018 --> 01:26:39,808
all that sort of stuff, and it's going to be different for everybody.

1768
01:26:40,188 --> 01:26:43,398
So with that vision in mind, that's where I want to sort of take Satlantis.

1769
01:26:43,408 --> 01:26:45,338
Now, how that ends up looking,

1770
01:26:47,468 --> 01:26:50,818
we're going to experiment, we're going to find a way and find our

1771
01:26:50,818 --> 01:26:54,628
way through that by building with the communities that are on there.

1772
01:26:55,628 --> 01:26:59,168
I guess I'd like to make a, you know, a shout out to everyone, anyone

1773
01:26:59,168 --> 01:27:01,458
who's interested is like, look, if you're already on Nostr, which

1774
01:27:01,458 --> 01:27:05,008
if you're listening to this, you probably are, um, and depending on

1775
01:27:05,008 --> 01:27:07,298
when you're listening to this, it's probably going to be desktop only.

1776
01:27:07,298 --> 01:27:08,068
It won't be mobile.

1777
01:27:08,068 --> 01:27:10,888
Mobile is going to come out in probably late August or September.

1778
01:27:12,128 --> 01:27:15,368
The mobile feel will look and feel very much like Instagram.

1779
01:27:15,798 --> 01:27:18,848
So you'll have a, you'll have your profile view, which is like your

1780
01:27:18,858 --> 01:27:20,668
tiles, and it'll be image focused.

1781
01:27:21,238 --> 01:27:22,348
You'll have your posting.

1782
01:27:22,638 --> 01:27:24,638
Uh, button, which will be very much like Instagram.

1783
01:27:24,638 --> 01:27:29,538
You'll post images and captions and, you know, videos, and you'll have

1784
01:27:29,538 --> 01:27:32,378
your global feed, and the global feed will look and feel like Instagram,

1785
01:27:32,768 --> 01:27:39,298
and what's in the global feed will be dictated by who you follow, what you

1786
01:27:39,298 --> 01:27:43,788
follow, so like merchants, cities, places, etc, events, whatever.

1787
01:27:44,438 --> 01:27:48,643
So that'll be the mobile, but the city Sorry, the, the, the desktop is going

1788
01:27:48,643 --> 01:27:54,073
to be the directory feel application that is going, I guess, live in

1789
01:27:54,073 --> 01:27:56,293
beta this weekend at the conference.

1790
01:27:57,473 --> 01:28:03,063
So people can, uh, take their NSEC, put it in an extension like Albi or keys.

1791
01:28:03,243 --> 01:28:03,593
band.

1792
01:28:03,593 --> 01:28:07,103
There's many of them out there and you can log in with your Nostra account.

1793
01:28:07,103 --> 01:28:09,573
We don't actually have an NSEC paste that is really unsafe.

1794
01:28:09,593 --> 01:28:11,013
I don't know why Nostra applications do that.

1795
01:28:11,013 --> 01:28:11,923
It's so fucking stupid.

1796
01:28:12,233 --> 01:28:16,003
So put an extension, uh, you can log in one click.

1797
01:28:16,218 --> 01:28:19,908
Um, if you don't have an account yet, you can do username and password and,

1798
01:28:19,928 --> 01:28:21,678
you know, we establish the NSEC for you.

1799
01:28:22,138 --> 01:28:23,378
And go in and just explore.

1800
01:28:23,568 --> 01:28:26,698
You can join cities, you can check out what's going on, this and that.

1801
01:28:27,208 --> 01:28:30,638
Obviously there's not a huge amount of activity going on there yet, right?

1802
01:28:30,658 --> 01:28:33,698
It's young, it's early, definitely things are going to be broken.

1803
01:28:33,738 --> 01:28:36,428
But, you know, hit us back, Let us know what's going on.

1804
01:28:36,428 --> 01:28:40,588
There's actually a Citlantis city on Citlantis, right, where you can post

1805
01:28:40,588 --> 01:28:42,358
and you can chat to us and all that sort of stuff and tell us what the

1806
01:28:42,358 --> 01:28:43,478
problems are and everything like that.

1807
01:28:43,908 --> 01:28:46,148
But we're going to be iterating and shipping really fast over

1808
01:28:46,148 --> 01:28:49,288
the coming months as we make the desktop application better.

1809
01:28:49,328 --> 01:28:52,918
And as we build the app in parallel, so by, by September, the

1810
01:28:52,918 --> 01:28:54,528
application should be way richer.

1811
01:28:54,588 --> 01:28:55,648
It should be much more beautiful.

1812
01:28:55,648 --> 01:28:57,378
There'll be a hell of a lot more things you can do in there.

1813
01:28:57,388 --> 01:29:00,798
The merchant thing will be really rich and powerful, like all that sort of stuff.

1814
01:29:00,798 --> 01:29:03,038
So if you're interested.

1815
01:29:03,383 --> 01:29:07,883
You can also, uh, if you want to be an ambassador, actually, so someone who

1816
01:29:07,883 --> 01:29:12,153
wants to found a city and really build up a city and like have ownership of that.

1817
01:29:12,628 --> 01:29:16,518
Also, reach out to us, you can apply to be an ambassador right through the app, and,

1818
01:29:16,608 --> 01:29:20,808
you know, we can make you an ambassador if, you know, you've got the right energy

1819
01:29:20,808 --> 01:29:22,188
and all that sort of stuff to be that.

1820
01:29:22,188 --> 01:29:28,918
So, that, that's my sort of call to people is that be patient, but also, like, test

1821
01:29:28,918 --> 01:29:33,098
it, use it, play with it, we're building something new, and if you want to come

1822
01:29:33,098 --> 01:29:35,958
along the journey, like, this is hopefully something that's going to be big.

1823
01:29:37,038 --> 01:29:41,128
it sounds like the Sort of the ultimate tool for increasing

1824
01:29:41,128 --> 01:29:42,108
your freedom footprint, right?

1825
01:29:42,533 --> 01:29:44,033
No So

1826
01:29:44,033 --> 01:29:49,133
yeah, I'm, I am, uh, like, uh, anything we can do to help.

1827
01:29:49,133 --> 01:29:50,423
We're, we're there, man.

1828
01:29:50,513 --> 01:29:50,903
I

1829
01:29:51,353 --> 01:29:55,223
absolutely love the idea and, and I absolutely love this conversation.

1830
01:29:55,378 --> 01:29:59,003
I, I, I think this is, this is what we want this show to be.

1831
01:29:59,643 --> 01:30:01,383
Had a little bit of everything, so

1832
01:30:01,398 --> 01:30:01,848
enjoy this.

1833
01:30:02,193 --> 01:30:02,553
thanks.

1834
01:30:02,673 --> 01:30:03,453
Thanks a lot man.

1835
01:30:03,543 --> 01:30:04,473
And yeah,

1836
01:30:04,593 --> 01:30:07,893
look up the Boto Bitcoin and look up Lantis.

1837
01:30:08,183 --> 01:30:09,793
Brush your teeth overnight.

1838
01:30:11,253 --> 01:30:13,343
it, this has been the Freedom Footprint Show, thanks for listening.