Becoming Masterless with Rob Brinded - FFS #75

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the book that's a kind of a, an explanation teaser on how we move

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from a centralized mind that hence the wheel that we've been talking

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about into observing the centralized mind, which is decentralized mind.

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So anyone, if they wanted to, they immediately start doing that.

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You're starting to change yourself.

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It's there for everyone.

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It's their own.

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It's like their own property.

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Welcome back to the Freedom Footprint show with Knut Svanholm

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and me, Luke the Pseudo Finn.

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And we're here today with Rob Brinded, author of Mind Decentralized, and

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actually one of our very first guests, great to see you again, Rob.

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Welcome back to the Freedom Footprint Show.

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Thanks for having me, guys.

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Looking forward to this.

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Yeah.

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Hi, Rob.

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Uh, good to see you again.

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I've got your book right here.

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Uh, Mine Decentralized.

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We were thinking here before, before we started the show, though,

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when are you going to write the follow up Penis Decentralized?

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But, uh,

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Penis decentralized?

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. I did hear that right, right?

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yes.

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Yeah.

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No, I was going to say something about the size of my book.

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Um, it, it looks bigger in, um, in the dark.

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So, but the book's

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Is this talking about your book or something

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about my book.

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I'm talking about my book.

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Uh, the book is, uh, is a taster.

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So it's, um, like a first edition.

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I'm, I'll be working on a much more expanded version of it.

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So it's going to get

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Yes, and you're still talking.

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You're still talking about the book, I guess.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Just to avoid any confusion here.

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Uh, mind is centralized.

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It's about how your, your own brain is your biggest enemy, basically.

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And, uh, to, uh, yeah, how, how to, how to rid yourself of your brain is

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maybe, maybe that's a bit far fetched, but how to, how to get to know your

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brain and how to reprogram yourself.

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Right.

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Right.

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The thing at the end that you just said, how to reprogram yourself is, is

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central to my work is, it's always been central to my work about, uh, getting

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people to be their own authority.

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So, uh, as Bitcoiners, you know, it's all about, uh, self authority and also

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with, um, we're all humans walking around with this software, software like

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computers inside of us, and people don't know how, they don't have a manual.

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And there are different versions of manuals, let's say religions and

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different things to try and guide people, but, I spent getting on to three

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decades now working with that internal operating system, and then I want to,

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with my work is to show people how to be able to access their operating

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system, you know, they wake up in the morning, they can instantly look.

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Uh, and see, you know, how am I feeling is, similar to going onto your computer

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and looking at the operating system and seeing what's spiking and then being

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able to shut it down, you know, programs that are running that are not necessary.

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So, coming back to what you said about the brain, the, the way I.

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look at my internal environment is like, the mind is, this thing that I can observe

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that's just throwing up words and chatter.

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And when.

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The, I think, uh, the way I see it, that affects our brain.

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So there can be, you know, I just like to say that the, the minds this, when

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you start to really observe your mind and not get caught in it and just watch it,

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you'll see that, there are similar themes that are constantly being thrown up.

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And then when you look at those themes, there's a certain pattern

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to the words that are being used.

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And so I've been, I've been observing my, that condition mind for many

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years, and it's, it can be broken down to be working like a hamster wheel.

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I'm, is it okay?

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I just going into the hamster wheel or

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Sure, sure.

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Go ahead.

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Yeah.

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So, you, you said, it seems to be something wrong with it.

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Yes.

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The, the, the problem that humans have, Is that we create programs, software programs

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that are developed very early in life before we're four years old, and they work

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as well as they can do, if you imagine a four year old coding, exceptional

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coder, but they're four years old.

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So they create these programs that they're trying to get their needs met

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that weren't met when they were children.

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And I haven't met anyone.

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Whose needs were met, like, I can talk more about that later.

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But what happens is we create these pseudo programs that we think get us love, but

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in fact, they're hamster wheels trying to get a status, make us look valuable.

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So, through caring for others, through supporting, through

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achieving, through getting gold stars.

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And the, the, the nature of a hamster wheel is the moment the hamster steps

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on, it starts to spin the opposite direction to the way it wants to go.

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So, they work and then when you get to a certain age, you start going, shit,

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I'm not happy or like, when I, worked for Chelsea football club, I sort of

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arrived at the highest level and I got amazing salary and, you know, huge amount

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of, Space in the new training ground.

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I was like, my, department was huge.

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I was in charge of it and I felt completely empty.

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And so that's when, you know, that was a long time ago, but I started to realize

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that the emptiness was coming from that hamster wheel that was not getting me

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all the effort to be acknowledged and recognized and be valuable wasn't getting

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me love, connection and belonging.

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So, yeah, so just bring it back to your question is we have We all

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have a mind that's been conditioned through generations of ancestors

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and traumas and experiences, and we've lost a connection as humans.

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And, and, you know, you could say, does that go back to when we lost

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the connection with sound money?

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But I'd say that the connection is, is.

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As with the parents and the disconnection of the family units much further back and

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that, maybe the only people that have a very strong connection is if you go to

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a tribe in the jungle in South America that doesn't know anyone else, you know,

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that's, I think that we've, um, Yeah, there's a, we have a huge disconnection

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problem and, uh, yeah, we've created these programs that run this software and it's

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glitchy, seriously glitchy, and so as my job and as an educator and in my book,

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I'm there to explain it's not complex.

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We have hamster wheels.

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If you look, you can see them.

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And the, the, the main thing is that they explain everything

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about your behavior and the way to dissolve them or get rid of them.

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is to observe them,

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I have my, uh, my own experiences with this and starting way earlier than when I

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started meditating, or learned about that.

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And it goes back to when I was in the Merchant Marine Academy.

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Uh, I have, uh, one insight from that.

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Period of my life was like, I was always running to the bus and sometimes

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I could see the bus driver in the rear view mirror of the bus, just.

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Looking at me, seeing me running, and then when I was five meters from the

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door, he would drive away and just , do a little smoky smile and like smug

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smile and just drive away from me.

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Yeah, he was an asshole.

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He is a total asshole.

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And I was so pissed and angry and all, you know, worked up

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as you get about these things.

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until one day I realized.

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Hang on, uh, I'm never going to run to the bus again, so I

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just, or to any transport again.

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So I just promised myself, it doesn't matter if I'm in a hurry or not, I'm

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not going to run to transportation.

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I'm just going to stop doing that.

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So I did, and what happened was that I was on time every morning, uh, I

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was way better at making it to the bus because I promised myself not

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to run and yeah, or on some days I just skipped school, that worked too.

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But I think like knowing your limitations and, and controlling

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them is, is absolutely crucial.

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I mean, If I look back at a, at a working day, like, uh, I can, I can look back at

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the day and like, be angry with myself for just, ah, I've just procrastinated

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so many hours away and I got nothing done, but maybe I got something done.

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And when a year has passed, that amounts to quite a lot because you don't really

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need to work that many hours per day.

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If.

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If, like, by working, you mean just not being productive, it's much better to just

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be hyper focused when you actually do it, and then relax the rest of the day, be

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like a lion, you know, sleeping for 20 hours and then go and chase an antelope,

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like, that's basically the life of a lion.

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So, so I think modern society with all the technological advancements and, and,

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you know, the internet in particular, putting a lot of pressures on us to

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just, as you say, to achieve and to make these connections and to, and.

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Uh, at the end of the day, it's like Jeff Booth says, uh, that all we need is,

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uh, all we want is love and belonging.

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And it takes a while to realize this, that that's what you can do without your own.

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It's another, another example I have is, when I got a parking ticket, Uh, like at,

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at one point, uh, in my life, I lived in Malmo and, uh, we, I got parking tickets,

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uh, because there was one day of the month where they were cleaning the streets

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and you couldn't park at the street.

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And I always forgot.

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So I was pissed at these parking tickets, uh, because it's a sense

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of course, and I have to pay money to pay the damn pocket ticket.

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But I realized that by, by being angry.

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At the parking ticket, I doubled the cost for me.

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Like, the cost was already there in losing the money, so why would I let the parking

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ticket hurt me more than just financially.

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So, so just pay and be happy.

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It's the same with taxes.

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I fucking hate them, but you should pay and be happy.

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Why pay and be angry?

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Like then you pay double.

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Is this something you can relate to?

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no, totally, you're, I mean, the last thing you said is, is self awareness.

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You're aware that if you get angry, you're damaging yourself.

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And there's absolute zero gain, but most people don't have the awareness or the

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awareness to look at their own behavior.

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The running behavior was a behavior that is crucial for people to

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understand that when it sounds complex, observing your own behavior, it is.

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It is the heart.

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It's the highest form of intelligence to be able to observe your own

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behavior and not comment on it.

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Just observe it.

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But to be able to, I watch people and they always rush.

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And, but they don't realize they're rushing until someone points it out to

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them and maybe even then they, don't care.

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They're so caught in their behaviors.

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But when you start to observe and say, why do I rush?

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Why am I doing this?

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You're going to start and you observe that all the, you might

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be, I'm, I'm fearful of being late.

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Why are you fearful?

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Why am I fearful about being late?

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Well, I'm worried how people will perceive me.

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And then you start following the thread down.

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And it starts to dissolve.

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The program no longer runs.

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It's just software on the computer.

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Um, one of, a story that, that I think is quite cool that happened fairly

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recently to me is, I observed my clients would, they'd rise and they'd fall.

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So I always have pretty much the same every month.

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Uh, some, it would go high and then low.

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And so I, I started to observe that and my thinking because I wanted newer clients.

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I wanted more clients, but new clients for to, because I, I enjoy the

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challenge of finding out new things.

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And I started to observe, why do I want more clients?

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And when I, when I, when I really got down to it in my watching my thoughts about

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it, it was, there was a safety thing.

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There was safety in getting more clients.

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It would make me feel safer because of the money at the end of the month.

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So I saw that and I also saw another behavior and I, I observed it and I

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looked at the thoughts coming up and observed them without commenting.

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There was no action to do any marketing.

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I observed it.

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Then I talked to my Assistant about it.

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And I did a session with her on my whiteboard because I wanted her to

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also be part of this new client thing.

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She was very scared about reaching out, and didn't want to seem selly,

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you know, like a salesperson.

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So we worked and she observed her own behavior and it took a day and

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she was like, Oh, my God, I feel completely different about this.

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That month we doubled, I doubled my revenue.

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Doubled.

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And it was just, without doing anything, without any marketing, I got three or

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four new clients just by observing within a few days, I just got new clients.

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And that's where in my.

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opinion, there's no separation from the external reality

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and our internal environment.

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So we just project out our conditioning onto our reality and pull experiences in.

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That's my experience.

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and I see it and I, saw it in, when I was working in football, the players would

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get injured when they had turmoil at home, or when there was a, there was a

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stress around their position, they would pull in an experience to get injured.

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And if you observe it and you, follow, you ask the right questions, you'll

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see that always there's a stressor.

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uh, just quickly, uh, there was a story, there was a footballer at a, uh, there was

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a footballer who was the top footballer in my, in the football club I was working.

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He was the number one.

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They brought in a new number one.

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They told the footballer, um, the goalkeeper, sorry, that this guy

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won't change, take your place.

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He came in and he took his place and that's the number one became number two,

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and he was so angry for a long time.

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He's really resentful the one game.

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The goalkeeper got injured.

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Number two came in.

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It was his chance.

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He got injured.

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In that game, I believe it was that game, just from a very

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simple save, it took him out.

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The number three goalkeeper came in, got injured, because wasn't ready.

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So we pull in injuries or illnesses if In my, in my opinion, if, if there's

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a threat to the deep conditioning, if that, if that makes sense.

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Yeah, this, this ties in so well to the episode we did with Jeff a couple of weeks

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back, because like the, the takeaway from, the big takeaway that I got from that

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was that your reality is, is a reflection of your consciousness back at you.

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Like, yeah.

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Jeff Booth is, um, you know, fortunate to know him.

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He, I really do feel fortunate to have met him and know, know him to be

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able to speak to him now and again.

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Um, I listen to him, Michael Saylor the most out of, you.

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You know, I listen to other, like maybe Krishnamurti and I read and watch

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other documentaries, but most of the time I spend watching my own behavior.

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But Jeff Booth, he, I gave him a call to ask him about investment for a

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place to be, my wife's project here in Madeira, a self directed learning for,

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um, for people who like the bee symbol.

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and he, he was talking and then he said, Unmet needs.

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He said something about unmet needs.

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And my model of, of my work was missing that little thing, the unmet needs.

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And, and when he said it, I went, Oh, and I went over in my brain for a few days.

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And I said, Oh, my God, that's it.

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It's the unmet needs is why the hamster wheel was created in the first place.

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So, yeah.

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You know, you, Jeff Booth is an exceptional character and, and, uh,

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when, when I met him here in Madeira with you, Knut, I was sitting near you,

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uh, in fact, we might've been sitting together, but Jeff turned to me, you

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were turning to someone else at that cafe near Maya, and Jeff Booth said, yeah,

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when people realize that the external and the internal, there's no separation,

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that's when things, Get interesting.

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That's when things will change.

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And I was like, Oh, shit, this, this guy really gets it.

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So yeah, he's the

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Absolutely.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And we'll see him again.

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And so will you, if you come to Madeira between the 1st and the 3rd of

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March next year for Bitcoin Atlantis.

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I'll have three weeks there to hang out.

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Uh, looking forward to that a lot.

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Yeah.

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Cool.

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And there's a lot of other Bitcoiners here now as well.

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and, and the, uh, the speaker list just keeps on getting more and more amazing.

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Like, I mean, like Andre keeps dropping names.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's going to be special.

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I saw you in Riga, I believe.

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Yeah.

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And I thought Riga was wonderful as a social, uh, you know, just journalist.

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I, I really, uh, this is my favorite Bitcoin event, so I haven't been

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to too many, but this one's going to be special music festival and

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everything that comes with it.

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So, and you too.

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yeah, it's going to be beautiful.

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Yeah.

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uh, it's just beautiful that this thing is playing out.

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And, and I see also, uh, uh, that's more and more, uh, shops and, and, uh,

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bars and cafes and stuff in Madeira are starting to accept bitcoin.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think, um, Knut, we always said that bit by bit, it was going to

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grow from the bottom up here and.

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I'm not really, to be honest.

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I'm not trying to orange pill anyone at the moment.

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Now, and again, I did the Thai massage, um, chain that they have here.

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Uh, JJs the owner, and so I pay for my deep tissue massage in Bitcoin, in SATs.

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Um, and I tip the, the lady in sat, so she's getting a little of, um,

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like, don't touch this, and she, she understands the importance.

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Um, but Charlie here.

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talking about sats now and not happy endings, I hope.

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No, no happy endings.

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It's a professional.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Just to, just to keep it straight here.

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Yeah.

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I was having a massage the other day and this Indian, an Indian guy came

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in and, um, I didn't, I couldn't see him, but I heard his accent.

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And he was like, uh, he was asking for a massage.

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And then he kept saying, is it just a massage?

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And what he wanted was the woman to say, well, we can accommodate it.

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And he, you know, that type of conversation and he kept, and she

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was saying, yes, it's a massage.

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It's a massage.

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And he was, but, um, and I knew he's trying to say, is there any,

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uh, you know, extras and he, he realized and said, I'll cancel.

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So no, it's a professional place.

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Really good.

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Alright,

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Yeah, so I was just saying Charlie, there's Charlie here that's doing the

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orange pilling and I can see that, as you know, everything starts off,

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it's, uh, it's difficult to see a change, but then it compounds and

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he's, people are going to be talking, more people are talking about it.

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It's going to do the old, um, compounding.

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And so more and more people are here, know Bitcoin, or will be accepting it.

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yeah, I went to the barbershop there close to you like last time I

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was in Funchal that accepted sats.

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Unfortunately, like with so many other places that accept sats, like the owner

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had to come by to be able to do it because it's usually, like that, that happens

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every now and then that the owner is orange pill, but no one else in the staff.

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So they

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Yeah.

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Um, Charlie's getting everyone on BT, BT pay, uh, BTC pay or Swiss pay.

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Um, so, um, it's, you know, the pharmacies here, which are very professional.

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They take, um, he's, he's orange pilled four or five, um, pharmacies now.

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And so they have everything set up with, uh, You know, with a,

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with a Swiss pay, I think it is.

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But so there, um, it's getting more, Charlie's doing a great job, who the, the

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Portuguese guy who's orange pulling here.

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So it's a good place.

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nice, good to hear.

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Uh, back to the decentralized mind.

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Uh, uh, how, how does Bitcoin fix this?

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Or does Bitcoin fix minds and how in your opinion?

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I know I have an answer

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I know, I know you do.

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So for me, Uh, Bitcoin, uh, you are the, you, you are very good at seeing

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ahead, and we've talked before and you, what, what I've seen is that I

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work with Bitcoiners who, who are not so aware of their, their conditioning.

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So Bitcoin, um, if you are, if you are very, um.

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And so when, when I work with someone like that, that limitation, fear of

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limitation or being unable or being helpless drives that momentum towards

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Bitcoin to finding freedom technology.

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But that fear of.

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Limitation and helplessness will never, I don't, that needs

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to be observed and addressed.

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Bitcoin, yes, is, it's almost using human, human psychology to drive its

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adoption because it's going to bring on all the freedom people, and then

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the, the more they try and control, you know, the, powers that be, try and

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control this disintegrating system, The more that control is put on, the

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more people that don't like being controlled will escape to Bitcoin.

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So it's just inevitable it plays out.

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I'm not so, uh, I just know that Bitcoin will do a lot to change

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society and bring back connection.

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If we have.

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Uh, if the incentives are broken and you can no longer buy a house and

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you have to work harder and harder, the family unit is disintegrating.

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You can't be with your kids if you have to work.

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So, if that's the case, then that system is driving disconnect.

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So it's driving the, trauma and the glitches in the software.

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So you bring Bitcoin in, it fixes that.

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So it fixes the disconnection.

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So I do see that.

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I can't imagine it, uh, Knut.

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I mean, it's possible.

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It's totally possible.

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But you're, you're good at playing it forward.

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I just see that if people can no longer, if they no longer have to work

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two jobs, and the mother can stay at home, which is Absolutely important.

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And the father's there as well.

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Again, relationships, that comes, that's also, uh, software and

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conditioning, you know, the father leaving is conditioned from his parents.

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If you look at, you know, the, the parents usually divorced and, and it's

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conditioned down into the, the kids, If the parents can be together, that's

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going to improve society, it's going to completely transform society, and

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therefore will have an effect on our software, but the software, you see, this

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is where I'm like thinking, of Jeff Booth and what he's saying, and what I believe

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is, if the external reality is the same as the internal, if the external reality

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has a transformation, that will change, have a transformation on the inside.

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Yeah, well, well, uh, I'd like to add my perspective to yours, if I may,

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like, uh, I think, I think Bitcoin itself is, it's not the signal.

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It's just the greatest noise remover ever, like removes all the noise.

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Uh, and that's why it's so good for, for humans to free up their time and

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start seeing things for what they really are, including themselves.

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Yes, I love that.

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So, so I think that's, that's, that's the way to see it.

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It's a noise removal tool.

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Uh, and also like everything that comes with lowering your time preference, which

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is talked about a lot in the space, you know, because you start prioritizing

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quality over quantity when you have, perfectly scarce money, you, you choose

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to, the chances that you will choose to save rather than spend are quite high.

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Because you know, they're going up in value over time.

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And that makes you, uh, in the end, that makes you crave fewer things.

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And so you, so you get into this more minimalistic, like that in itself,

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I think is a, uh, On, on the same trajectory as, as, uh, same psychological

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trajectory as as trying to, uh, learn more about how your own brain works

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I totally agree.

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The noise reduction thing is when you observe your conditioning,

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you're actually reducing the noise.

469
00:27:57,171 --> 00:28:01,871
Because it's just noise and you get caught in the hamster wheel and you

470
00:28:01,871 --> 00:28:07,831
use your, you try and control your reality, but based on your conditioning.

471
00:28:07,861 --> 00:28:09,371
So you just keep repeating.

472
00:28:09,971 --> 00:28:14,451
So anything that removes, like we, I talk about de engineering.

473
00:28:14,811 --> 00:28:16,855
So you have engineering in the world.

474
00:28:17,006 --> 00:28:18,546
But inside it's de engineering.

475
00:28:18,936 --> 00:28:24,316
And so Bitcoin, as you said, is, it produces noise, which, uh, and time

476
00:28:24,316 --> 00:28:29,606
preference, slow time preference comes when we know the truth, like you see

477
00:28:29,606 --> 00:28:31,426
the truth and everything calms down.

478
00:28:31,426 --> 00:28:32,756
So I totally agree.

479
00:28:32,996 --> 00:28:33,316
Yeah.

480
00:28:33,506 --> 00:28:34,186
Nicely put.

481
00:28:34,711 --> 00:28:40,496
HH, h how familiar are you with Pology and Austrian economics and like,

482
00:28:40,496 --> 00:28:41,531
have you read any of those books?

483
00:28:42,436 --> 00:28:44,116
Oh, that's a beautiful one.

484
00:28:44,116 --> 00:28:44,966
That's the best one.

485
00:28:45,167 --> 00:28:48,239
I did, it was just sitting there.

486
00:28:48,239 --> 00:28:51,406
Yeah, um, uh, I got that off Nico.

487
00:28:51,406 --> 00:28:55,086
I haven't, I just read that one and Starship Troopers, I

488
00:28:55,087 --> 00:28:56,046
don't know if you know that one.

489
00:28:56,976 --> 00:28:57,846
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,

490
00:28:57,976 --> 00:28:58,656
It's a great book.

491
00:28:59,176 --> 00:29:01,036
The praxeology I need to get into.

492
00:29:01,969 --> 00:29:04,959
Yeah, great praxeology books for starship troopers, yeah.

493
00:29:05,064 --> 00:29:05,884
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

494
00:29:06,304 --> 00:29:08,694
Heinlein is Sailor's favorite author, by the way.

495
00:29:08,914 --> 00:29:09,694
Ah, I didn't know that.

496
00:29:10,307 --> 00:29:13,646
Yeah, he told us, uh, uh, um, back in Prague.

497
00:29:14,416 --> 00:29:16,516
Anyway, uh, where was I going with this?

498
00:29:16,516 --> 00:29:22,601
Yeah, yeah, the, the, the basic thesis of Mises is that you, uh, Uh, the, the

499
00:29:22,601 --> 00:29:27,341
reason you act is because you feel uneasy in some way, and then you imagine a

500
00:29:27,451 --> 00:29:32,011
state in the future where you have done something, and you choose to do that

501
00:29:32,011 --> 00:29:34,791
thing to get into that less uneasy state.

502
00:29:35,701 --> 00:29:41,231
So, a way to look at this is that all we're doing is replacing Replacing our

503
00:29:41,241 --> 00:29:46,761
problems with better problems to have, that's, that's what we aim for, like, uh,

504
00:29:47,351 --> 00:29:52,861
that is true for, I mean, money solves a lot of problems, of course, it can give

505
00:29:52,861 --> 00:29:57,351
us a sense of security and it can give us more stuff or whatever, whatever it is,

506
00:29:58,277 --> 00:30:03,502
but what we're really trying to do is to get into a state of less uneasiness Well,

507
00:30:03,642 --> 00:30:07,172
regardless of what we do, that's, that's the, that's the goal of every action.

508
00:30:07,732 --> 00:30:12,462
So we're trying to replace problems with better problems to have.

509
00:30:12,832 --> 00:30:15,432
And some people have only figured out half of that.

510
00:30:15,432 --> 00:30:20,002
They haven't figured out like, uh, that's a state of calmness

511
00:30:20,182 --> 00:30:24,952
and a state of, you know, knowing yourself and, and being closer to.

512
00:30:25,857 --> 00:30:30,127
Your close ones is better than just running in the hamster's wheel.

513
00:30:30,127 --> 00:30:33,417
They think that they're getting a better problem by buying a

514
00:30:33,417 --> 00:30:36,527
new car and a new yacht and whatever, but they're really not.

515
00:30:37,007 --> 00:30:38,507
And they're trying to get their needs met.

516
00:30:38,976 --> 00:30:39,816
Yeah, exactly.

517
00:30:40,636 --> 00:30:44,416
But all we're doing is searching for better problems to have, but

518
00:30:44,606 --> 00:30:48,546
the thing to remember here is that we can we can never rid ourselves

519
00:30:48,596 --> 00:30:51,516
of every problem, except once.

520
00:30:52,066 --> 00:30:53,176
And that is when we die.

521
00:30:54,016 --> 00:30:56,536
When we're dead, we don't have any problems anymore.

522
00:30:56,816 --> 00:31:00,496
So in that sense, death is wrong.

523
00:31:00,926 --> 00:31:01,326
Heaven.

524
00:31:02,036 --> 00:31:04,846
Like, because you remove all the problems, all the uneasiness.

525
00:31:05,216 --> 00:31:11,982
This may sound morbid, but, but really, there's If you think about it, the

526
00:31:11,992 --> 00:31:18,212
state of no problems to have is, you know, before birth, after death, that's

527
00:31:18,212 --> 00:31:19,852
when we have no problems whatsoever.

528
00:31:20,282 --> 00:31:23,782
And life is just a series of getting better problems to have.

529
00:31:24,942 --> 00:31:27,782
Yeah, life is, we're here to resolve.

530
00:31:28,567 --> 00:31:29,747
Resolve things.

531
00:31:30,284 --> 00:31:30,714
Yeah.

532
00:31:30,894 --> 00:31:31,684
Untie knots.

533
00:31:32,469 --> 00:31:32,709
Yeah.

534
00:31:32,709 --> 00:31:37,979
And the mind, the way we see life, like with the mind through

535
00:31:37,979 --> 00:31:43,019
frames is that it's in duality.

536
00:31:43,019 --> 00:31:48,189
So as, as you know, you know, you, you see something or it's sunny here, but

537
00:31:48,199 --> 00:31:51,729
compared to another country, it's dull.

538
00:31:51,869 --> 00:31:53,419
Everything's hot, cold.

539
00:31:53,589 --> 00:31:54,679
There's always an opposite.

540
00:31:54,719 --> 00:31:55,809
That's how we are.

541
00:31:56,184 --> 00:31:57,544
We understand life.

542
00:31:57,544 --> 00:32:03,414
If we didn't have opposites, we wouldn't, you know, be able to understand our lives.

543
00:32:03,444 --> 00:32:06,649
So and that the, the, the stuff with the hamster wheels that

544
00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:09,389
I find fascinating is those.

545
00:32:10,079 --> 00:32:15,339
Those frames were built very early, and so that causes us to suffer because

546
00:32:15,339 --> 00:32:19,729
they're not truthful, they're jammed up one side or the other of this sort

547
00:32:19,729 --> 00:32:24,869
of the yin yang shape, and so when you observe that it's a child's program,

548
00:32:24,869 --> 00:32:28,929
and the child was only trying to do the best that it could, and you understand

549
00:32:28,939 --> 00:32:34,954
that with compassion, which is needed to dissolve the program, then you, Are

550
00:32:35,014 --> 00:32:42,824
perfectly balanced between, let's say gain or loss or being able or unable when

551
00:32:42,824 --> 00:32:44,704
they're balanced, then there's calmness.

552
00:32:44,704 --> 00:32:48,794
And so we're here to balance out our wheels.

553
00:32:49,534 --> 00:32:53,074
I think we're kind of saying the same thing, but that causes

554
00:32:53,074 --> 00:32:54,746
people to kill themselves.

555
00:32:56,224 --> 00:33:01,764
most people are suffering terribly from their minds, from the conditioning

556
00:33:01,784 --> 00:33:06,404
that they don't realize is, is, can be seen and dissolved, or you go and see

557
00:33:06,404 --> 00:33:12,804
a therapist, but I, I'm kind of, um, you, you can really only understand

558
00:33:12,804 --> 00:33:14,564
yourself when you observe yourself.

559
00:33:14,884 --> 00:33:17,534
And Michael Saylor once said in an interview, he was

560
00:33:17,534 --> 00:33:19,774
saying, first hand observation.

561
00:33:20,524 --> 00:33:24,414
He's always talking about it if you observe something and look at the

562
00:33:24,414 --> 00:33:28,844
problem, so first hand observation is how we look at nature and the world.

563
00:33:29,124 --> 00:33:32,324
You have to look at it yourself, not through other people's beliefs.

564
00:33:32,824 --> 00:33:36,474
But when it comes to understanding yourself, it has to be done by yourself.

565
00:33:36,969 --> 00:33:41,141
With firsthand observation and change.

566
00:33:41,701 --> 00:33:43,411
That's the only thing that'll change the world.

567
00:33:43,761 --> 00:33:47,841
However, we have Bitcoin, as you said, that's gonna be a noise reducer because

568
00:33:47,846 --> 00:33:52,951
at the moment, most people are so spinning and stressed and, they can't,

569
00:33:53,131 --> 00:33:59,271
they have no time or energy to, and they're too noisy to be able to do this.

570
00:33:59,361 --> 00:34:03,247
So it's a perfect, you know, it's, there's something coming

571
00:34:03,252 --> 00:34:04,867
that's very, very exciting.

572
00:34:05,304 --> 00:34:09,174
But most people in spirit, in the spiritual realm don't get Bitcoin.

573
00:34:09,814 --> 00:34:14,204
So that's why I'm writing my book that is going to be more based in

574
00:34:14,204 --> 00:34:19,364
the healing space and that, that, you know, health, spirituality, let's

575
00:34:19,404 --> 00:34:23,494
say, if you want to use that word, the mind, self development, I'm writing my

576
00:34:23,494 --> 00:34:25,504
book for them and I'm going to drop.

577
00:34:26,184 --> 00:34:30,234
Um, I say, you know, by the way, Bitcoin's coming and that will

578
00:34:30,234 --> 00:34:33,434
help, uh, with human transformation.

579
00:34:33,804 --> 00:34:36,444
People are going to be like, doesn't it boil the oceans?

580
00:34:37,074 --> 00:34:41,664
And, you know, it's funny, there's a lot of spiritual people who are

581
00:34:41,984 --> 00:34:43,874
like, oh, technology's bad, but,

582
00:34:44,854 --> 00:34:45,354
got that.

583
00:34:45,594 --> 00:34:50,644
I think that's, uh, in the thought tradition of Rousseau, maybe,

584
00:34:50,794 --> 00:34:55,694
uh, that technology is bad, uh, which is, it's a very, like,

585
00:34:56,234 --> 00:34:58,214
technology is just problem solving.

586
00:34:58,344 --> 00:35:03,374
Like it's, uh, it's Tools, all tools, all tools have the same purpose.

587
00:35:03,424 --> 00:35:06,514
They're there to save us time or save someone time somewhere.

588
00:35:07,034 --> 00:35:08,774
that's the purpose of all tools.

589
00:35:09,094 --> 00:35:11,214
And as they get better, we save more time.

590
00:35:11,224 --> 00:35:13,044
The problem is the money is broken.

591
00:35:13,104 --> 00:35:18,594
So the time saving of the tools, uh, are funneled into the so

592
00:35:18,594 --> 00:35:22,094
called elite, which is just the best term for the best thieves,

593
00:35:22,844 --> 00:35:25,974
uh, or the most efficient thieves.

594
00:35:26,780 --> 00:35:30,588
But at the expense of everyone else, but we could have that, time

595
00:35:30,588 --> 00:35:34,318
saving distributed and that would not lead to less spirituality.

596
00:35:34,348 --> 00:35:35,238
The opposite is true.

597
00:35:35,238 --> 00:35:40,578
It would free up time for everyone and just make everything more awesomer.

598
00:35:41,198 --> 00:35:41,538
And

599
00:35:42,088 --> 00:35:42,328
awesome.

600
00:35:42,518 --> 00:35:43,338
I totally agree.

601
00:35:43,598 --> 00:35:46,698
What the, what I've noticed, and I don't mean this in a

602
00:35:46,698 --> 00:35:49,008
I don't want to be negative.

603
00:35:49,008 --> 00:35:51,638
I love Michael Saylor, how constructive he is.

604
00:35:52,128 --> 00:35:54,088
I like listening and Jeff Booth as well.

605
00:35:54,098 --> 00:35:58,928
They don't spend their time, you know, with like negating stuff.

606
00:35:59,738 --> 00:36:05,418
I just see when, we have Bitcoin meetups, the most spiritual, Guys, the guys who

607
00:36:05,418 --> 00:36:13,138
look spiritual are usually into Ethereum and because spirituality is not really,

608
00:36:13,848 --> 00:36:21,518
yeah, I think there's a real pattern there and what it comes down to is the idealism

609
00:36:21,538 --> 00:36:26,688
of, um, you know, the Ethereum and the Web3 is that we can change the world,

610
00:36:27,339 --> 00:36:33,814
and it's very up, like in the heavens, it's very, this spiritual vibe with, but

611
00:36:33,834 --> 00:36:42,514
without the feet firmly on the floor and what, what I see is that Bitcoin is it

612
00:36:42,514 --> 00:36:48,614
sort of got the feet firmly in the floor in maths and engineering, but it's going

613
00:36:48,614 --> 00:36:53,884
to transform you know, the, earth and the heaven, it connects the two because it's

614
00:36:53,884 --> 00:37:01,619
going to transform humanity quicker than any spiritual, you know, going to, you.

615
00:37:01,779 --> 00:37:06,999
Um, what's that thing, a burning man and, you know, all the tech bros

616
00:37:07,059 --> 00:37:12,779
dancing and wearing wolf t-shirts Uh, there's this Bitcoin thing that it

617
00:37:12,779 --> 00:37:15,499
looks so unspiritual, if that's a word.

618
00:37:16,019 --> 00:37:20,209
It looks so, I don't know, it burns, but it counterintuitively,

619
00:37:20,529 --> 00:37:22,039
it's like a Trojan horse.

620
00:37:22,508 --> 00:37:25,198
yeah, in many senses of the word, I.

621
00:37:26,218 --> 00:37:31,588
This is one of my more controversial ideas, but I view Bitcoin as financial

622
00:37:31,588 --> 00:37:37,428
atheism, and by that I don't mean like bashing people who are religious or

623
00:37:37,458 --> 00:37:43,498
spiritual, but in the sense that it's the only Monetary system that does not really

624
00:37:43,498 --> 00:37:49,468
require belief in an authority on a or any higher power because you can verify

625
00:37:49,468 --> 00:37:51,238
everything, every single step of it.

626
00:37:51,598 --> 00:37:58,348
So I'm, I, I see it as, I see fiat as the cult, uh, because the, uh, the

627
00:37:58,348 --> 00:38:03,088
number written on a dollar bill or a Euro bill, you have to take that at you.

628
00:38:03,088 --> 00:38:07,678
You need belief to, to, uh, to think that that has value.

629
00:38:08,188 --> 00:38:08,723
Uh, you're only.

630
00:38:09,728 --> 00:38:14,108
You, you, you, you need belief in the central banking system and the banking

631
00:38:14,108 --> 00:38:19,208
system and what whatnot in the government in order for that to, to function.

632
00:38:19,208 --> 00:38:22,208
So that is the cult and we're the ones leaving the cult.

633
00:38:22,478 --> 00:38:28,858
Like, and, uh, to me that is even more, that is real spirituality because

634
00:38:28,858 --> 00:38:35,138
spirituality is, is is nothing without a, a firm grounding in something real.

635
00:38:35,593 --> 00:38:40,253
Even, even if consciousness is, uh, reality is consciousness reflected

636
00:38:40,263 --> 00:38:42,463
back at you, it needs to be real.

637
00:38:42,543 --> 00:38:46,103
Otherwise, I mean, keep it real, as the hip hoppers say.

638
00:38:46,558 --> 00:38:52,858
When, when, when I, uh, my red flag clients, the ones that I'm wary of, I

639
00:38:52,858 --> 00:38:57,868
call them red flags with my sister, when they're very spiritual, they're the ones

640
00:38:57,938 --> 00:39:03,338
that are the trickiest because they're so caught up in beliefs and ideologies

641
00:39:03,838 --> 00:39:08,428
that when you like I had this woman who's super spiritual, like an influencer on

642
00:39:08,698 --> 00:39:10,898
Instagram, she booked a session with me.

643
00:39:11,378 --> 00:39:14,346
And I'm like, all my work is facts.

644
00:39:14,796 --> 00:39:20,676
So they have to, if there's no beliefs, no one needs to believe what I say.

645
00:39:20,676 --> 00:39:21,756
I get it.

646
00:39:21,766 --> 00:39:23,576
It's either changes or it doesn't.

647
00:39:24,036 --> 00:39:26,806
And the whiteboards, when I'm working on the whiteboard, I say

648
00:39:26,826 --> 00:39:31,206
anything on here that's not fact that you don't 100 percent see.

649
00:39:31,821 --> 00:39:33,911
inside, we don't put it on the board.

650
00:39:33,911 --> 00:39:37,341
And this girl, she was like, yeah, my partner, he's just left me.

651
00:39:37,341 --> 00:39:43,501
But I was told that he was my incarnation, because I have an old soul.

652
00:39:43,501 --> 00:39:47,179
And he's my, and it was all of this, this

653
00:39:47,454 --> 00:39:47,924
Nonsense

654
00:39:48,149 --> 00:39:50,449
not it was nonsense, but it was suffering.

655
00:39:50,799 --> 00:39:52,899
And then I said, what if he doesn't?

656
00:39:53,059 --> 00:39:54,359
What if he doesn't like you?

657
00:39:54,674 --> 00:39:58,574
Or I think I said, what if you're, because what I'm trying

658
00:39:58,574 --> 00:40:00,264
to do is elicit an emotion.

659
00:40:00,284 --> 00:40:01,864
That's my hook.

660
00:40:02,144 --> 00:40:06,054
And I said something like, what if, um, he just finds you boring?

661
00:40:07,041 --> 00:40:11,151
And the reason why I said boring is because this, all this stuff that she

662
00:40:11,151 --> 00:40:13,271
was giving me was making her special.

663
00:40:14,426 --> 00:40:15,826
And that's a hamster wheel.

664
00:40:15,976 --> 00:40:19,336
Like people want to feel special and they don't want to be

665
00:40:19,336 --> 00:40:22,766
ignored and a nobody or average.

666
00:40:22,896 --> 00:40:25,056
Average for some is, is kryptonite.

667
00:40:25,726 --> 00:40:28,496
So I said, what if he just doesn't find you boring?

668
00:40:28,496 --> 00:40:33,466
And she would, the, the conversation went deadly quiet.

669
00:40:34,936 --> 00:40:37,226
I said, look, we have to be truthful here.

670
00:40:37,236 --> 00:40:40,086
Like, would that bother you if he thought you're average?

671
00:40:40,106 --> 00:40:43,136
And she said, well, he wouldn't do like she got very defensive.

672
00:40:43,436 --> 00:40:46,236
So the, uh, the defenses came up.

673
00:40:46,236 --> 00:40:49,716
So your, what you were saying is absolutely true.

674
00:40:49,766 --> 00:40:53,256
I only, I don't, there's no beliefs in my work.

675
00:40:53,356 --> 00:40:56,366
There's no, and that's why I don't like the term spiritual.

676
00:40:56,596 --> 00:41:00,206
Because I, I don't really, I don't know really what it means.

677
00:41:00,266 --> 00:41:03,116
It, it means understanding self for this truth.

678
00:41:04,406 --> 00:41:06,156
You got to be truthful on the inside.

679
00:41:06,156 --> 00:41:12,216
And so, uh, Hamster Wheels for me, uh, and I've been looking at it and

680
00:41:12,336 --> 00:41:17,746
validating that concept and it works because every client I've worked with

681
00:41:17,776 --> 00:41:20,136
said, Oh, my God, that's my life.

682
00:41:20,206 --> 00:41:21,356
And that explains.

683
00:41:21,811 --> 00:41:24,601
That's why I behave and that is why I have this thing.

684
00:41:25,301 --> 00:41:32,001
So there's no belief and I, so yeah, I love that, um, financial atheism.

685
00:41:32,041 --> 00:41:33,181
You don't need beliefs.

686
00:41:33,311 --> 00:41:34,881
You need facts.

687
00:41:35,300 --> 00:41:36,530
You need to know your shit.

688
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:41,240
Like, uh, that, that, that story reminds me so much about, uh, my

689
00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:46,040
brother who's works as, as a, uh, the head chef of a restaurant up,

690
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:47,990
uh, close to where we grew up.

691
00:41:48,380 --> 00:41:55,760
Uh, and, uh, that he, he, he, uh, I mean, we talk to one another

692
00:41:55,760 --> 00:42:00,980
every day and, uh, he always has stories about, uh, the, the year.

693
00:42:01,530 --> 00:42:05,490
The people who eat at the restaurant, and especially stories about

694
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,070
people who are picky with things.

695
00:42:08,940 --> 00:42:12,980
So some are, you know, intolerant to gluten, intolerant to lactose,

696
00:42:13,460 --> 00:42:18,110
some are vegans, some are lacto vegans, some are vegetarian, and

697
00:42:18,170 --> 00:42:22,010
one even complained about the water being too cold and stuff like that.

698
00:42:22,010 --> 00:42:22,650
It's hilarious.

699
00:42:22,700 --> 00:42:24,440
The hilarious story is all of it.

700
00:42:24,830 --> 00:42:29,250
And what he has observed is that most of that, if not all of

701
00:42:29,250 --> 00:42:32,390
it, is A craving for attention.

702
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:33,350
That's all it is.

703
00:42:33,420 --> 00:42:34,660
People want to be special.

704
00:42:34,850 --> 00:42:38,650
And this is, this is another interesting fact about that.

705
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:39,860
It's always women.

706
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:45,910
100 percent of them, it's women who, who, and I think this is

707
00:42:46,030 --> 00:42:48,940
very close to the hamster's wheel thing that you're talking about.

708
00:42:48,940 --> 00:42:53,220
This is a way to feel special so that you get a special treatment.

709
00:42:53,250 --> 00:42:56,630
You want, you crave the special treatment because that, that

710
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:58,180
makes you feel appreciated.

711
00:42:58,310 --> 00:43:02,450
And I think it's, it's the exact same thing as your Deepak Chopra woman there,

712
00:43:02,910 --> 00:43:04,860
uh, with the dream catchers and whatnot.

713
00:43:05,190 --> 00:43:06,760
That's exactly what they're doing.

714
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,000
They want to feel special.

715
00:43:08,225 --> 00:43:13,925
you can, you can say that with an ever increasing velocity of this,

716
00:43:14,775 --> 00:43:15,985
uh, what am I going to call it?

717
00:43:15,985 --> 00:43:16,385
Like.

718
00:43:17,525 --> 00:43:20,915
Fucked upness of the, the economy.

719
00:43:21,570 --> 00:43:22,620
Clown world, clown

720
00:43:22,905 --> 00:43:25,105
yeah, this spinning wider.

721
00:43:25,475 --> 00:43:31,495
You're seeing things getting worse as symptoms of a deeper,

722
00:43:31,655 --> 00:43:33,955
um, lack of enable, unable.

723
00:43:34,275 --> 00:43:38,655
So, uh, autoimmune disorders where the system attacks itself.

724
00:43:39,515 --> 00:43:45,870
you're unable to function correctly is a symptom of, internally humans are

725
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:50,620
getting more and more scared and more, feel more and more helpless and unable

726
00:43:50,900 --> 00:43:54,080
men, testosterone levels are plummeting.

727
00:43:54,300 --> 00:43:54,720
Why?

728
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,580
Well, you could say, well, maybe it's estrogens in the

729
00:43:57,580 --> 00:43:59,440
water and everything possibly.

730
00:44:00,010 --> 00:44:04,160
And remember, everything is a reflection of, the internal.

731
00:44:04,984 --> 00:44:06,414
if men no longer.

732
00:44:08,159 --> 00:44:14,079
And it's been programmed in for 50 years or whatever, where that toxic

733
00:44:14,699 --> 00:44:19,129
masculinity and men need to be more feminine and the women have become

734
00:44:19,129 --> 00:44:24,869
more sort of controlling, let's say more masculine, then men feel less and

735
00:44:24,869 --> 00:44:31,579
less potent, less and less able, the hamster wheel is conditioned in from

736
00:44:31,579 --> 00:44:37,834
childhood, more and more children with single parent family, like my family.

737
00:44:38,234 --> 00:44:43,724
So the child's brought up with a feminine as the masculine, the mother in charge.

738
00:44:44,784 --> 00:44:48,984
And so the program creates the environment of the body.

739
00:44:49,234 --> 00:44:53,724
So there's plummeting testosterone levels if you're in TRT stocks.

740
00:44:54,214 --> 00:44:56,134
Uh, you know, you, you're doing well.

741
00:44:56,424 --> 00:45:02,434
So again, you, you coming back to, uh, I, I thought you were going to say

742
00:45:02,434 --> 00:45:05,524
like Bitcoin will also have an effect.

743
00:45:05,554 --> 00:45:08,514
I don't want to get into, you know, there are these people say, Oh,

744
00:45:08,544 --> 00:45:10,674
Bitcoin is gonna do this and that.

745
00:45:10,674 --> 00:45:15,409
But if you really think about it, if it calms down the threat level.

746
00:45:15,939 --> 00:45:17,439
That's going on in the world.

747
00:45:17,809 --> 00:45:19,909
It will reflect back in the body.

748
00:45:20,149 --> 00:45:22,039
So the body will calm down.

749
00:45:22,039 --> 00:45:28,389
The hormonal systems will calm down, but everyone's on red alert internally.

750
00:45:28,399 --> 00:45:29,249
Inflammation.

751
00:45:29,249 --> 00:45:30,639
Everyone's talking about inflammation.

752
00:45:30,639 --> 00:45:31,099
What's that?

753
00:45:31,389 --> 00:45:34,899
It's just everyone's running on their hamster wheels and

754
00:45:34,899 --> 00:45:36,494
they're exhausted and, and.

755
00:45:37,004 --> 00:45:42,714
Um, then they're not in the yin, which is the non-doing so Bitcoin is yin.

756
00:45:42,814 --> 00:45:45,814
Well, it does everything with, by doing nothing.

757
00:45:46,404 --> 00:45:50,304
So it's, going to enable us to, it'll calm everything down,

758
00:45:50,324 --> 00:45:51,784
all the noise, as you said.

759
00:45:52,484 --> 00:45:54,414
Um, super interesting.

760
00:45:54,539 --> 00:45:55,899
Yeah, it's like an anchor.

761
00:45:56,689 --> 00:46:00,320
Something to anchor, anchor something into.

762
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,190
I don't know what that something is exactly, but it's, it's,

763
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:04,460
it's sort of an anchor.

764
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,817
It's something that doesn't change, over time.

765
00:46:08,237 --> 00:46:09,357
And that's, uh, that is.

766
00:46:09,817 --> 00:46:16,187
You know, the promise it makes is to be, uh, to be that way forever.

767
00:46:16,187 --> 00:46:18,877
And, uh, that is, that is a tricky thing.

768
00:46:18,877 --> 00:46:23,357
And we need to fight for that to, to, like, it's, it's what I think Reagan

769
00:46:23,357 --> 00:46:26,697
has said that every generation needs to fight for freedom over and over again.

770
00:46:26,707 --> 00:46:32,407
Like it's, it's not, freedom isn't free, uh, what the South Park creators said.

771
00:46:32,877 --> 00:46:38,177
Uh, they, you, you have to, you have to fight for it every generation.

772
00:46:38,177 --> 00:46:40,317
I, I don't think there's ever going to be, uh.

773
00:46:40,722 --> 00:46:46,142
an end to that like because it's it's the the flip side of freedom is always

774
00:46:46,142 --> 00:46:50,762
responsibility you have you can't have one without the other and you have to

775
00:46:50,762 --> 00:46:55,721
start with yourself and you have to see that in order to be truly free it it

776
00:46:55,721 --> 00:46:58,211
starts from within not from the outside

777
00:46:58,311 --> 00:46:58,681
Right.

778
00:46:59,161 --> 00:47:07,066
And that's why any time that Any time that a human tries to shape someone, like puts

779
00:47:07,066 --> 00:47:10,546
their hand in the hamster wheel, let's say, for instance, I saw on the news this

780
00:47:10,546 --> 00:47:15,476
morning, something going on in Ireland, where an immigrant murders a girl.

781
00:47:15,556 --> 00:47:18,986
I'm not quite, I just picked it up as being, that was the thing.

782
00:47:18,986 --> 00:47:19,166
And

783
00:47:19,321 --> 00:47:20,591
yeah and there were riots and

784
00:47:20,746 --> 00:47:27,276
right, her boyfriend, in his witness statement, as, as a, I'm not As a victim

785
00:47:27,496 --> 00:47:33,146
witness statement, he wrote something saying, like, our communities, like,

786
00:47:33,576 --> 00:47:38,006
you're, you're sending all these people in and, and it's breaking down communities.

787
00:47:38,006 --> 00:47:39,386
We don't feel safe any longer.

788
00:47:39,696 --> 00:47:44,316
So this guy's freedom of speech and the BBC and the newspapers.

789
00:47:44,766 --> 00:47:45,776
Uh, cut it out.

790
00:47:46,326 --> 00:47:52,346
And so what they were doing was they were trying to shape society to be safer.

791
00:47:52,376 --> 00:47:53,176
What did they do?

792
00:47:53,456 --> 00:47:57,436
Well, everyone's like, Hey, and they, everyone's now looking

793
00:47:57,436 --> 00:47:58,806
at exactly what they didn't.

794
00:47:58,826 --> 00:47:59,996
It's always the same.

795
00:48:00,316 --> 00:48:03,366
And so they create more energy in the thing that they

796
00:48:03,366 --> 00:48:05,296
didn't want to have energy.

797
00:48:06,006 --> 00:48:08,486
It's so the hamster wheel's in play.

798
00:48:08,736 --> 00:48:12,456
You try, the more you try and control, the more you will get.

799
00:48:12,751 --> 00:48:13,671
Uncontrolled.

800
00:48:14,301 --> 00:48:19,321
The more they try and fight Bitcoin, the more it will give Bitcoin life,

801
00:48:19,658 --> 00:48:21,988
totalitarianism isn't sustainable.

802
00:48:21,988 --> 00:48:24,598
Like, I mean, the more you try to control people,

803
00:48:25,053 --> 00:48:26,263
the more it disintegrates.

804
00:48:26,348 --> 00:48:27,968
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805
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and so coming back to the, the, the point of,

846
00:50:23,652 --> 00:50:26,182
like, the, our external.

847
00:50:26,552 --> 00:50:30,382
Reality is, it's a projection of our internal, like a matrix.

848
00:50:30,772 --> 00:50:36,972
We can't, that's a, I see that, I kind of know that, but that's my, I

849
00:50:36,972 --> 00:50:38,772
can't get anyone else to believe that.

850
00:50:39,212 --> 00:50:44,322
But if that's the case, then the only way, and this is my experience, the only way I

851
00:50:44,322 --> 00:50:46,502
can change what I don't like in the world.

852
00:50:47,032 --> 00:50:49,952
is to work on how I feel about that.

853
00:50:50,322 --> 00:50:54,602
So, if I look at the Israeli conflict, I get super angry.

854
00:50:54,932 --> 00:50:59,502
The more I fight and go into the hamster wheel and shout at it, it's disgusting

855
00:50:59,502 --> 00:51:02,292
and I am reinforcing that system.

856
00:51:02,842 --> 00:51:09,412
But I take responsibility for the greed or the violence I see is within me too.

857
00:51:10,112 --> 00:51:11,172
And then I observe it.

858
00:51:11,547 --> 00:51:17,447
Because I'm getting angry and violent and I want to, you know, whenever I, um, you

859
00:51:17,447 --> 00:51:22,557
know, that's why projection is such a, uh, a visible thing, especially on Twitter.

860
00:51:22,931 --> 00:51:26,623
know, you, you, as Jeff says, you either energize the new system,

861
00:51:26,633 --> 00:51:28,263
decentralize minds, which is.

862
00:51:29,588 --> 00:51:33,668
Observing that centralized mind spinning, you can only change system

863
00:51:33,728 --> 00:51:37,258
from, you can't change system from within the system, as Jeff says.

864
00:51:37,748 --> 00:51:44,468
So he's there energizing what he wants to see, and that's something I spend,

865
00:51:45,088 --> 00:51:52,458
uh, it's not easy, but I'm trying to, when I say stay constructive is, I take

866
00:51:52,458 --> 00:51:56,298
responsibility every day for everything that I see outside of me is within me.

867
00:51:56,858 --> 00:51:59,348
So when I point the finger, there's always three bags.

868
00:51:59,795 --> 00:52:01,805
but you're not alone in this battle, Rob.

869
00:52:01,925 --> 00:52:07,395
Like me and Luke, we have tactics calls like almost every day about, about the

870
00:52:07,395 --> 00:52:11,845
show and like what to do with it and like how to, how to reach more people and how

871
00:52:11,845 --> 00:52:14,135
to, how to do this and how to do that.

872
00:52:14,565 --> 00:52:16,745
But every now and then we need to remind ourselves that

873
00:52:17,025 --> 00:52:18,245
we're not really doing this.

874
00:52:18,430 --> 00:52:23,350
for the main reason we're doing this is because we want to talk to people.

875
00:52:23,350 --> 00:52:26,380
We want to, we want to listen to what they have to say and we

876
00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:28,110
want to learn something from it.

877
00:52:28,130 --> 00:52:31,900
We want to, uh, it's, it's not about

878
00:52:32,871 --> 00:52:33,391
yeah, that,

879
00:52:33,486 --> 00:52:35,126
or money or anything like that.

880
00:52:35,436 --> 00:52:38,636
I mean, yeah, we're, we're still playing that game.

881
00:52:38,646 --> 00:52:41,166
We can't not play that game because we're in it.

882
00:52:41,701 --> 00:52:46,981
But, but we can be aware of it, but we don't necessarily have to, uh, you know,

883
00:52:47,441 --> 00:52:49,541
play it the way other people play it.

884
00:52:49,571 --> 00:52:52,971
Because first and foremost, this is about the conversations we have.

885
00:52:53,591 --> 00:52:56,011
Uh, and we need to keep that.

886
00:52:56,021 --> 00:52:57,371
That's the orange glowing light.

887
00:52:57,441 --> 00:52:59,551
Like that's, uh, that's what we need to.

888
00:52:59,851 --> 00:53:03,091
And don't forget to like, subscribe and brush your teeth, people.

889
00:53:03,703 --> 00:53:07,133
But, um, Knut, that brings up, that's a real subtle thing

890
00:53:07,143 --> 00:53:08,523
you just said, it's beautiful.

891
00:53:08,833 --> 00:53:14,388
In, if you're, when, when you think I need to reach more people.

892
00:53:15,088 --> 00:53:20,098
Yeah, I understand it's a business and you want the podcast to be, but then

893
00:53:20,128 --> 00:53:25,598
if you look, if you're watching your behavior and then you see, I want this

894
00:53:25,598 --> 00:53:30,208
to be more and you just observe that you'll see more to it and then that will

895
00:53:30,238 --> 00:53:33,558
dissolve and then your reality changes.

896
00:53:35,158 --> 00:53:38,688
So it, as I, as I wrote on Twitter, marketing is an internal game.

897
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:41,160
That was one, that was one of them.

898
00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:42,440
I was trying to be like you, Knut.

899
00:53:43,070 --> 00:53:47,140
I was trying to write, I was like, ah, shit, that sounds really, I

900
00:53:47,180 --> 00:53:51,280
learned, you know, I did a, uh, I was going to say something stupid.

901
00:53:51,310 --> 00:53:57,040
I was on, Jeff Booth posted a photo of, um, a loaf of bread he's been

902
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,030
cooking and I saw that on Nostra.

903
00:53:59,805 --> 00:54:03,295
And so I thought, I'm going to be clever here and write a joke

904
00:54:04,055 --> 00:54:06,915
and I wrote a, I wrote a pun.

905
00:54:07,025 --> 00:54:10,995
Um, your life, your loaf will continue to rise.

906
00:54:12,495 --> 00:54:16,665
And I just sat there and I went, oh fuck, that's perfection.

907
00:54:17,195 --> 00:54:18,735
And then someone wrote underneath.

908
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:23,430
Oh my god, the best comment ever written on Nostra, and I'm like waiting there

909
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:31,170
for the validation, and then it's gone, it's like lost in the ether, so,

910
00:54:31,830 --> 00:54:37,640
you know, that's my, you know, I was trying to get, um, trying to be funny,

911
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,320
trying to get validation and stuff.

912
00:54:41,325 --> 00:54:41,705
Funny.

913
00:54:41,705 --> 00:54:42,725
I thought it was a good joke.

914
00:54:44,130 --> 00:54:48,780
It was like, I would have, I would have probably made the meatloaf joke

915
00:54:48,780 --> 00:54:50,820
somehow, but, uh, it's not fully

916
00:54:51,220 --> 00:54:56,010
I didn't know about the, your star will continue to rise, and I shouldn't bring

917
00:54:56,010 --> 00:55:01,205
it up because it's a bit critical, but Nico showed me the He said,

918
00:55:01,205 --> 00:55:02,365
you don't know about the Star Wars

919
00:55:02,490 --> 00:55:03,090
out of the clip,

920
00:55:03,675 --> 00:55:09,075
and then the guy who wrote the song, but that's also, um, that's

921
00:55:09,365 --> 00:55:11,015
human creativity, isn't it?

922
00:55:11,055 --> 00:55:12,695
It's so, so good.

923
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:14,780
this craving for.

924
00:55:15,500 --> 00:55:20,060
Uh, you know, uh, acknowledgment or whatever you, you call it, you know,

925
00:55:20,060 --> 00:55:23,520
you want the engagement, you want people to notice you on the internet.

926
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:25,620
Like, it's not all negative.

927
00:55:25,620 --> 00:55:28,670
Is it like there's, there's a positive force there too.

928
00:55:28,670 --> 00:55:31,580
I mean, at, at the end of the day, it's about love and belonging and

929
00:55:31,580 --> 00:55:33,650
blah, blah, blah, but also like.

930
00:55:33,710 --> 00:55:37,780
Being witty is, it's just a brain exercise.

931
00:55:37,830 --> 00:55:41,590
That's all it is like, uh, putting words together in a funny way.

932
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,240
And if people appreciate that, why, why you should be proud that they

933
00:55:45,385 --> 00:55:48,055
Sure, and it's a very good point.

934
00:55:48,085 --> 00:55:49,225
There's a positive and negative.

935
00:55:49,345 --> 00:55:55,695
The negative is If you need be witty, so

936
00:55:55,820 --> 00:55:58,100
yeah, if you do it for the wrong reasons, basically.

937
00:55:58,515 --> 00:56:03,045
there's the thing is subtle is, um, wittiness, we, we all learn

938
00:56:03,045 --> 00:56:08,235
to be funny to, to be, to kind of fit in and, and different ways.

939
00:56:08,235 --> 00:56:11,485
You know, they will say about the comedians, they used it

940
00:56:11,495 --> 00:56:15,615
because you like Joe Rogan was probably very, he was quite short.

941
00:56:15,995 --> 00:56:17,225
So he was the funny guy.

942
00:56:17,705 --> 00:56:22,815
Like the funny guy at school is usually, you know, he was funny because

943
00:56:22,895 --> 00:56:29,405
that's the way he fitted in and I used humor as well to make people like me.

944
00:56:30,055 --> 00:56:33,755
Um, humor is the greatest thing on the planet.

945
00:56:33,955 --> 00:56:39,365
Like, making people laugh and laughing and enjoying yourself is why we're here.

946
00:56:40,375 --> 00:56:46,415
All the, it's just enjoying humans and I love funny people and I love

947
00:56:46,715 --> 00:56:52,555
witty and telling stories and, um, you know, you, you two are funny and,

948
00:56:52,875 --> 00:56:54,795
and tell funny stories and stuff.

949
00:56:54,795 --> 00:56:56,015
So I love that.

950
00:56:56,275 --> 00:56:58,265
It's, and so there's nothing wrong with that.

951
00:56:58,505 --> 00:57:05,635
It's if we are concerned with doing it because we want to fit in when?

952
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:06,090
When.

953
00:57:06,295 --> 00:57:09,955
So you won't lose your wittiness, but you need to see

954
00:57:09,955 --> 00:57:12,365
the reason why you're doing it.

955
00:57:12,365 --> 00:57:16,025
So, uh, I work with like elite fighters.

956
00:57:16,325 --> 00:57:17,945
Let's say I work with Elite Fighter.

957
00:57:18,005 --> 00:57:22,285
One of the things that they'll say, usually the side, you won't take away my.

958
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:29,800
My liking of fighting because a lot of fighters were, have a hamster

959
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:33,640
wheel to achieve and they use fighting and there's a lot of trauma in their

960
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,640
childhood and they, you know, they get into fighting and violence.

961
00:57:37,855 --> 00:57:42,215
And so what I've found is in all walks, when you dissolve the

962
00:57:42,235 --> 00:57:46,085
compulsive hamster wheel underneath, the skill set's still there.

963
00:57:46,305 --> 00:57:47,445
They just enjoy it.

964
00:57:47,575 --> 00:57:50,055
They're not, it's not a compulsion.

965
00:57:50,125 --> 00:57:50,845
Does that make sense?

966
00:57:51,267 --> 00:57:52,187
yeah, absolutely.

967
00:57:52,439 --> 00:57:56,479
think with humor in particular, with comedy and humor in

968
00:57:56,609 --> 00:58:01,057
particular, you can't really do it without being true to yourself.

969
00:58:01,857 --> 00:58:04,887
Like, it's not funny if you're not truthful.

970
00:58:05,392 --> 00:58:08,362
That, that's why left heart Can't meme and everything.

971
00:58:08,392 --> 00:58:11,832
Like, it's, it's, it's not funny because of the, because it's

972
00:58:11,832 --> 00:58:14,802
not truthful to, to themselves.

973
00:58:14,982 --> 00:58:18,842
Like, uh, um, maybe I shouldn't say left heart, but, you know,

974
00:58:19,081 --> 00:58:19,601
With love.

975
00:58:19,671 --> 00:58:20,041
We say it

976
00:58:20,121 --> 00:58:20,536
said it.

977
00:58:20,686 --> 00:58:20,986
Yeah.

978
00:58:21,016 --> 00:58:21,916
Left heart well.

979
00:58:21,916 --> 00:58:25,516
Left heart should they're, the, the, the left isn't right and

980
00:58:25,516 --> 00:58:27,591
there's no right left, so, uh, yeah.

981
00:58:28,846 --> 00:58:33,436
Uh, by leftards, I mean, oh, well, everyone who isn't a

982
00:58:33,436 --> 00:58:34,796
Bitcoiner at this point, I guess.

983
00:58:35,174 --> 00:58:39,594
The funny, the Dave Chappelle, the, it seems like,

984
00:58:39,959 --> 00:58:40,949
I watched him today.

985
00:58:41,051 --> 00:58:44,071
oh, and I love, I love him.

986
00:58:44,361 --> 00:58:48,011
And you'll see the best, I hadn't really seen it like that, but the, the best

987
00:58:48,051 --> 00:58:49,801
comedians, well, they tell the truth.

988
00:58:50,441 --> 00:58:55,601
The jokes are the most truthful, are the most like, you know, when

989
00:58:55,601 --> 00:58:59,351
they say something that no one wants to say, but it has to be truthful.

990
00:58:59,721 --> 00:59:02,451
And everyone has to see this, truthfully, otherwise no one laughs.

991
00:59:02,961 --> 00:59:07,224
So, and self deprecation is a nice way as well.

992
00:59:07,784 --> 00:59:10,724
English people, I think they self deprecate.

993
00:59:10,724 --> 00:59:12,794
I don't know about the Finns and the Swedes.

994
00:59:13,816 --> 00:59:16,016
Yeah, there's a lot of that there too.

995
00:59:16,601 --> 00:59:17,421
Make jokes about

996
00:59:17,556 --> 00:59:22,806
The thing is, like, nowadays, Swedish comedy is just tragic.

997
00:59:23,076 --> 00:59:26,936
Because all I see when I see Swedish comedians is people who are

998
00:59:27,186 --> 00:59:28,986
stuck in the mindset of a Swede.

999
00:59:28,996 --> 00:59:33,486
Like, they're so, they're so formed by the system they grew up in.

1000
00:59:34,026 --> 00:59:39,616
And there's this layer of political correctness on top of that.

1001
00:59:40,236 --> 00:59:42,526
So they're trying to do a balancing act.

1002
00:59:43,006 --> 00:59:46,636
Uh, and it's, it's just very telling.

1003
00:59:46,646 --> 00:59:51,086
It's, it's just depressing because most of it, most of them, those who

1004
00:59:51,126 --> 00:59:55,936
call themselves comedians, they're on, uh, in public service media.

1005
00:59:56,286 --> 00:59:57,576
So they're paid by the state.

1006
00:59:58,326 --> 01:00:00,176
So they can't really make fun of the state.

1007
01:00:00,256 --> 01:00:02,846
So they make fun of people who make fun of the state.

1008
01:00:03,316 --> 01:00:03,876
And it doesn't

1009
01:00:04,291 --> 01:00:05,841
And there's control there.

1010
01:00:05,901 --> 01:00:11,031
There's control in their humor, which kills that, um, oxygen.

1011
01:00:11,336 --> 01:00:11,916
the spark.

1012
01:00:11,926 --> 01:00:14,656
It's just, and, uh, to me, it's just dead at this point.

1013
01:00:14,656 --> 01:00:18,622
And it's even like mockery, because they're forcing people to pay for

1014
01:00:18,622 --> 01:00:21,992
the public service media and they're forcing people to pay for everything.

1015
01:00:21,992 --> 01:00:25,102
And they're making fun of Swedish society, but not in the

1016
01:00:25,102 --> 01:00:27,522
way that I would appreciate.

1017
01:00:27,767 --> 01:00:32,707
Like just pointing out how bullshitty it is, but, but in, in ways which

1018
01:00:32,707 --> 01:00:36,887
are still like boxed in, in these, uh, it's like the blindfolds are

1019
01:00:36,887 --> 01:00:38,557
still on and it's not funny at all.

1020
01:00:38,907 --> 01:00:43,687
The self deprecation, I mean, there's a lot of that in, in more, if you

1021
01:00:43,687 --> 01:00:48,787
go back a couple of decades when Swedish comedians were funny, or

1022
01:00:48,787 --> 01:00:51,247
maybe I was just, I was younger, but.

1023
01:00:51,987 --> 01:00:56,297
The Brits have always had that, and I, yeah, I love John Cleese, for instance,

1024
01:00:56,367 --> 01:01:01,767
like, always done, I think he's a, as a philosopher as well, a very, very clever

1025
01:01:01,767 --> 01:01:07,047
man, and, uh, Ricky Gervais would be a modern example of really good at that,

1026
01:01:07,077 --> 01:01:10,177
and really good at, I think there's, speaking of him, I think there's a

1027
01:01:10,247 --> 01:01:14,817
financial aspect to this, because when, when comedy is your livelihood, uh,

1028
01:01:14,997 --> 01:01:19,407
you can't really afford to, to make, to be, you know, shadow banned, or,

1029
01:01:21,307 --> 01:01:24,987
Unless you've, you're, you've got so much money that you don't give a shit.

1030
01:01:25,242 --> 01:01:28,022
Yeah, so Ricky Gervais doesn't have to give a shit.

1031
01:01:28,202 --> 01:01:31,432
He can, he can tell it like it is because of the financial security.

1032
01:01:31,442 --> 01:01:35,732
The same with the police, like who's in trouble every day now, it seems in

1033
01:01:35,797 --> 01:01:38,117
he's, he's far right, Knut.

1034
01:01:38,557 --> 01:01:39,707
He's far right,

1035
01:01:39,902 --> 01:01:40,522
Yeah, yeah.

1036
01:01:42,405 --> 01:01:47,497
You saw, um, Elon, I mean, on this, um, whatever you think about

1037
01:01:47,497 --> 01:01:52,657
Elon and what, what his motive, but his, um, go fuck yourself.

1038
01:01:53,107 --> 01:01:54,037
I thought that was,

1039
01:01:54,362 --> 01:01:55,722
Oh, it's so, so funny.

1040
01:01:55,807 --> 01:01:56,787
it was so good.

1041
01:01:56,787 --> 01:02:01,472
And so the, the audience going, hey, hey, hey, hey, it's like, Hey.

1042
01:02:01,662 --> 01:02:02,772
It was fresh air.

1043
01:02:02,832 --> 01:02:04,042
It was a breath of fresh air.

1044
01:02:04,382 --> 01:02:06,482
You're going to blackmail me with money?

1045
01:02:06,502 --> 01:02:11,002
And then he people saying and trying to shape, people shaping,

1046
01:02:11,282 --> 01:02:17,022
doing evil, doing force for good, the Disney, we're going to do good.

1047
01:02:17,292 --> 01:02:21,862
And then they use blackmail, and it's, which is evil.

1048
01:02:21,892 --> 01:02:24,642
And the way they're doing it is they're making it look like it's good.

1049
01:02:25,142 --> 01:02:28,452
Um, the, there was a debate.

1050
01:02:28,462 --> 01:02:29,722
It's a great debate.

1051
01:02:29,752 --> 01:02:30,582
Hitchens, Hitchens, Hitchens.

1052
01:02:32,012 --> 01:02:37,402
Christopher Hitchens, I believe the, the, the, not the brother

1053
01:02:37,402 --> 01:02:45,132
who's still alive, Hitchens and a fantastic debate, uh, incredible, uh,

1054
01:02:45,312 --> 01:02:51,552
I listen to him quite often and he did a debate where one side was step.

1055
01:02:51,762 --> 01:02:56,202
The church is a force for good, and his was, it's a force for evil.

1056
01:02:56,542 --> 01:02:56,792
Right?

1057
01:02:56,792 --> 01:02:57,402
You've seen that one.

1058
01:02:57,782 --> 01:02:57,982
And

1059
01:02:57,987 --> 01:03:00,117
Yeah, those with Stephen Fry, right?

1060
01:03:00,262 --> 01:03:00,792
that's right.

1061
01:03:00,882 --> 01:03:01,222
Yeah.

1062
01:03:01,542 --> 01:03:02,782
Um, incredible debate.

1063
01:03:03,192 --> 01:03:08,402
And what, what struck me again, is this idea that whenever you try and use your

1064
01:03:08,402 --> 01:03:15,642
mind or your beliefs to construct good, You create the opposite in this reality

1065
01:03:15,652 --> 01:03:20,862
and so he was saying how, like, the church is a force for evil and he won the debate.

1066
01:03:20,922 --> 01:03:24,096
I mean, it was, it was a very strong position.

1067
01:03:24,426 --> 01:03:29,846
And so I didn't really care for the religious or, you know, but his, his

1068
01:03:29,886 --> 01:03:33,226
mind was absolutely like a laser beam.

1069
01:03:33,696 --> 01:03:39,316
And then it was like, oh, again, people using their beliefs to try and shape it.

1070
01:03:40,121 --> 01:03:41,691
They always create the opposite.

1071
01:03:41,811 --> 01:03:42,661
Hamster wheel.

1072
01:03:43,107 --> 01:03:43,327
Yeah.

1073
01:03:43,837 --> 01:03:47,947
If you want a good dose, if you want a good dose of Hitchens, people, you should

1074
01:03:47,947 --> 01:03:52,567
go listen to his, uh, rants about Henry Kissinger, who recently passed away.

1075
01:03:53,227 --> 01:03:58,167
Very Uh, well, entertaining is the wrong word, but insightful.

1076
01:03:58,791 --> 01:03:59,551
so, so yeah.

1077
01:03:59,551 --> 01:04:02,704
And I think there's so much truth to that, Rob, like that, the, the

1078
01:04:02,704 --> 01:04:06,013
road to hell is paved with good intentions, and that's everything.

1079
01:04:06,013 --> 01:04:10,503
If you try to control other people's behavior, you're inherently evil.

1080
01:04:10,663 --> 01:04:16,053
Like that's, that's not a good act, uh, regardless of the intentions of it.

1081
01:04:16,666 --> 01:04:20,676
Individual freedom, everything has to start and end there, because

1082
01:04:20,676 --> 01:04:22,066
it's the only way to be fair.

1083
01:04:22,096 --> 01:04:26,616
Like, who gets to decide what a good society looks like?

1084
01:04:27,016 --> 01:04:29,996
I mean, it's individual, it's subjective, everything

1085
01:04:30,156 --> 01:04:35,066
that's why Sylvia set up and plugging her project.

1086
01:04:35,656 --> 01:04:36,386
When we look at our

1087
01:04:36,526 --> 01:04:37,826
Oh yeah, how's that going?

1088
01:04:38,916 --> 01:04:41,906
so a place to be, um, Is

1089
01:04:42,452 --> 01:04:46,651
It'll be a place for children it's just a space for children

1090
01:04:46,651 --> 01:04:48,341
to direct their own learning.

1091
01:04:48,471 --> 01:04:49,085
So, yeah.

1092
01:04:49,686 --> 01:04:51,226
There's no coercion.

1093
01:04:51,386 --> 01:04:52,646
They can come or not.

1094
01:04:53,086 --> 01:04:57,296
There will be lots of different learning environments and different people.

1095
01:04:58,006 --> 01:05:02,776
Pablo will be doing, there'll be a coding tent, hopefully bringing over a robotics

1096
01:05:02,776 --> 01:05:08,126
guy, even at some point, um, you know, learning how to start fires and not, not

1097
01:05:08,696 --> 01:05:15,126
good fires, not bad fires, like, uh, Uh, you know, and so it's just going to be a

1098
01:05:15,126 --> 01:05:16,886
place where kids are allowed to thrive.

1099
01:05:16,886 --> 01:05:20,986
And the fascinating thing for me, having two kids that are raised this

1100
01:05:20,986 --> 01:05:28,046
way is the less input you put into them, the more they expand and flourish.

1101
01:05:28,386 --> 01:05:31,686
The more I try and say, Hey, you should do it like that.

1102
01:05:32,506 --> 01:05:38,836
They, they definitely resist any, and they shut down and then you're

1103
01:05:38,866 --> 01:05:42,096
limiting their creative possibility.

1104
01:05:42,746 --> 01:05:43,286
And.

1105
01:05:43,851 --> 01:05:49,341
It's so counterintuitive, as always, and all my family are teachers, by the way,

1106
01:05:49,551 --> 01:05:55,531
so, you know, my dad comes over, love him to bits with his wife, and this, they

1107
01:05:55,531 --> 01:05:59,691
bought them a science kit, and they're playing with it, and he comes in and

1108
01:05:59,691 --> 01:06:04,421
says, no, no, no, you have, look, if you take it like this, and my wife's like,

1109
01:06:05,201 --> 01:06:07,071
Don't, please don't tell them what to do.

1110
01:06:07,651 --> 01:06:08,301
They will.

1111
01:06:08,631 --> 01:06:14,581
And if they ask for help, then you give it, but you see what they do.

1112
01:06:14,591 --> 01:06:17,851
And they, maybe they do the wrong thing with it, but

1113
01:06:17,851 --> 01:06:19,531
they're learning how to do it.

1114
01:06:19,541 --> 01:06:23,881
If you tell them what to do, you're taking away an opportunity for them to learn.

1115
01:06:23,881 --> 01:06:26,321
It blows my mind.

1116
01:06:27,061 --> 01:06:31,861
I'm set up in the conditioned hamster wheel of, you need teachers to teach

1117
01:06:31,861 --> 01:06:38,971
you, and you, you have to, um, memorize and all of that, and it's, now I see it

1118
01:06:39,171 --> 01:06:43,501
as a, it's not a scam, I don't want to be negative, it's just the way it was

1119
01:06:43,501 --> 01:06:49,851
before, it served a purpose, but now, um, Kids are not able to problem solve.

1120
01:06:49,911 --> 01:06:57,601
So the, the, the, the core values of the place to be are, um, self directed

1121
01:06:57,921 --> 01:07:03,381
and, uh, children, their, their self, their right to self determination.

1122
01:07:04,031 --> 01:07:10,171
And those core values are like imprinted in the soil and then you can do different

1123
01:07:10,181 --> 01:07:14,361
things on top and they can, you know, we put Bitcoin miners in the domes

1124
01:07:14,411 --> 01:07:18,861
there, let's say, to heat them and we can do what the fundamentals are, you

1125
01:07:18,861 --> 01:07:22,911
know, you know, if the kid's punching another kid, you separate them and

1126
01:07:22,911 --> 01:07:28,241
explain if the kid continues to be violent, like, you know, there has to be

1127
01:07:28,241 --> 01:07:30,801
rules and responsibilities, not chaos.

1128
01:07:31,606 --> 01:07:34,906
but children are treated seriously.

1129
01:07:34,996 --> 01:07:40,146
So that, that kind of ties in with the, um, you know, where

1130
01:07:40,216 --> 01:07:42,606
does the shaping start of society?

1131
01:07:42,606 --> 01:07:46,476
Well, it's in, it starts real early in school and it, and it's

1132
01:07:46,506 --> 01:07:48,300
just getting worse at the moment.

1133
01:07:48,724 --> 01:07:52,224
Yeah, the only real school subject is obedience.

1134
01:07:52,624 --> 01:07:54,544
That's, that's what they're awarded for.

1135
01:07:54,950 --> 01:08:00,480
And the, some of my clients who are very successful businessmen now, one

1136
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:04,440
of them went to prison for a very long time because he started a foot

1137
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:05,960
school and they told him what to do.

1138
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:06,670
He goes, fuck you.

1139
01:08:06,670 --> 01:08:06,960
I'm not.

1140
01:08:06,990 --> 01:08:08,110
You don't tell me what to do.

1141
01:08:08,450 --> 01:08:12,900
So he became a problem kid because he didn't like being told what to do forced.

1142
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:14,810
And then he got kicked out of school.

1143
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:17,440
And he goes, fuck you to society.

1144
01:08:17,440 --> 01:08:17,825
And they, yeah.

1145
01:08:17,825 --> 01:08:21,345
And he kept on trying to control him until he went, okay, I'm going to do

1146
01:08:21,345 --> 01:08:26,275
really big crime, you know, which is, you know, he realizes it was a mistake.

1147
01:08:26,275 --> 01:08:27,855
And he went to prison for a very long time.

1148
01:08:28,315 --> 01:08:30,225
And now we were talking about it.

1149
01:08:30,225 --> 01:08:32,415
He goes, I just didn't like being told what to do.

1150
01:08:32,735 --> 01:08:33,825
And I didn't like.

1151
01:08:34,650 --> 01:08:39,820
I'm not that type of person, you know, so it makes me wonder how many kids,

1152
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:42,750
there are certain kids that get crushed.

1153
01:08:43,150 --> 01:08:44,750
I would say I was one of them.

1154
01:08:45,150 --> 01:08:49,390
I just melted into and just went along with it going, what the fuck's

1155
01:08:49,410 --> 01:08:51,280
going on and enjoy playing sport.

1156
01:08:51,710 --> 01:08:57,030
But there are kids who just go, no, and they resist and they, they.

1157
01:08:57,590 --> 01:09:03,630
Get, you know, they either somehow find a path into, uh, self determination

1158
01:09:03,630 --> 01:09:08,070
or they get into the wrong side of the society and they're branded as bad.

1159
01:09:08,110 --> 01:09:08,510
You know,

1160
01:09:08,853 --> 01:09:14,903
I know, I was one of them, and I would say a bit of both is true in my case.

1161
01:09:14,933 --> 01:09:15,243
yeah,

1162
01:09:16,438 --> 01:09:19,228
Luke, do you have anything on your mind, like any questions for Rob

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01:09:19,228 --> 01:09:21,748
that you've been thinking about here throughout the conversations?

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01:09:22,243 --> 01:09:27,663
Well, I've really enjoyed the walkthrough of your take on on all of this, uh,

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01:09:27,733 --> 01:09:32,593
this, well, the background of your, your, your book, everything you're working

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01:09:32,593 --> 01:09:35,543
on there, this hamster wheel concept.

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01:09:36,063 --> 01:09:39,123
Maybe I'd actually just ask you to, because we sort of flowed.

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01:09:39,398 --> 01:09:40,108
into this.

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01:09:40,368 --> 01:09:44,748
Can, can you give a, like a really brief couple of minutes of, of what is

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01:09:45,048 --> 01:09:49,768
the core lesson that your, your book and, and everything you're working

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01:09:49,768 --> 01:09:51,288
on is, is trying to tell people?

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01:09:51,937 --> 01:09:55,277
Just, just as some, as summation is, is what I, what I'm, what I'm getting.

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01:09:55,527 --> 01:09:58,657
what, what I see is that we create our reality.

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01:09:58,737 --> 01:10:02,887
There's no separation from the external world in front of you to the internal.

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01:10:03,127 --> 01:10:09,677
The internal is, is, uh, software like the mind, let's say it's

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all of human conditioning.

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But we are, we have these cogs, these hamster wheels that, because of our

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01:10:17,397 --> 01:10:22,757
particular, my particular childhood or yours or other people's, set up

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01:10:22,757 --> 01:10:29,277
the hamster wheels in a certain order and jam them over to one side that

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01:10:29,347 --> 01:10:31,687
creates your behavior in this reality.

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01:10:32,167 --> 01:10:36,257
So that might be, you are a world champion fighter.

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01:10:37,097 --> 01:10:40,647
And you render everyone helpless and unable.

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01:10:41,197 --> 01:10:44,657
And so you're so incredibly able and that's how you get love.

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01:10:45,327 --> 01:10:49,437
But you are completely unable in other areas.

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01:10:49,807 --> 01:10:51,967
The wheels always have to be balanced.

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That's just the nature.

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It always balances out.

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So if you think you can control and always be able, because you're using

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your mind, the centralized mind, you're going to get the opposite.

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So.

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What I see is we have this baseline, uh, operating system,

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01:11:07,177 --> 01:11:09,977
base layer that creates our reality.

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01:11:11,257 --> 01:11:18,377
Up from that, the emotions filter into our body and get, uh, stuffed into our body,

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01:11:18,447 --> 01:11:27,472
shut down, suppression, and those We can or block the natural electrical energy

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01:11:27,472 --> 01:11:31,652
flows in our body, which the Chinese understood as meridians thousands of years

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01:11:31,652 --> 01:11:38,232
ago, which, um, the, the top researcher in mitochondrial research in America, Douglas

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01:11:38,242 --> 01:11:41,652
Wallace, I listened to his, um, lecture.

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A few months ago on Mitt Mitochondrial system and, and a disease.

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And at the end he said 85.

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And some people, um, disagree with him and think it's higher.

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01:11:52,872 --> 01:11:56,442
85% of all diseases are caused by dysfunction in the mitochondrial

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01:11:56,442 --> 01:11:58,332
system, not the gen gene system.

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01:11:59,242 --> 01:12:01,552
not genetics, but in the mitochondrial system.

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And then his last side was, oh, and by the way, I'm setting up a clinic

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01:12:05,247 --> 01:12:09,772
in China because I think mitochondrial system are the meridian systems.

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And I was like, this is what I've always thought.

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01:12:14,562 --> 01:12:17,942
So the science is starting to go, Oh, shit, these are electrical systems.

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01:12:17,992 --> 01:12:20,592
Isn't that what the Chinese been talking about for a couple of thousands of years?

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01:12:21,442 --> 01:12:24,882
So, if you come back to that base layer, it filters up.

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01:12:24,882 --> 01:12:28,182
So that's the soil and it filters up into the body.

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01:12:28,212 --> 01:12:33,052
The emotions from those create disease via the mitochondrial system

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dysfunction, or you can call it meridians.

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And that's.

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01:12:37,722 --> 01:12:41,992
Traditional Chinese medicine, although they're more based on functioning on the,

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01:12:42,052 --> 01:12:47,232
not so much the mental side, they'll, they will pass that over to Taoist principles,

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01:12:47,232 --> 01:12:49,772
which is non doing observation.

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So it filters up, it creates disease.

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So my point being disease and mental health problems and terrible

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01:12:58,302 --> 01:13:00,552
life, you know, suffering in life.

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So my, my book and my work is here to show.

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How to work on the physical by connecting to your own operating system of 1s and

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0s, so electrical 1 and 0 electrical systems, switching them back on.

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01:13:15,677 --> 01:13:20,287
So that's my work that I've spent 20 years working and I work with people with

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01:13:20,307 --> 01:13:22,917
cancer, you know, all types of illnesses.

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01:13:22,917 --> 01:13:27,457
It comes back to that, but I'm always trying to go to the base layer.

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And look at what is, what are the programs and the software that are

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01:13:31,892 --> 01:13:34,082
projecting your life out there.

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And so, to, to summarize, that is all within your control.

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And I say control, I mean, you, you're not a slave to the pharmaceutical

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01:13:48,122 --> 01:13:52,052
industry, the medical industry, that's all broken incentives.

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01:13:52,532 --> 01:13:55,187
You can go within, you can control.

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Understand your conditioning and dissolve it and change yourself,

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which will change your body.

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If you have problems in your body, you need to go into the non physical, uh,

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01:14:07,547 --> 01:14:09,567
into the mind and find out why you do.

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So that position is, uh, the complete opposite to the medical profession

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01:14:16,437 --> 01:14:23,427
that says, um, you know, sometimes you need to, surgery, but, um, diseases

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01:14:24,257 --> 01:14:26,797
starts in, in the non physical.

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01:14:27,072 --> 01:14:27,552
For me

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All right.

1241
01:14:28,214 --> 01:14:30,684
Yeah, that's, uh, yeah, that's a fascinating stuff.

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01:14:30,684 --> 01:14:35,894
And I assume we can, we can see, read more about this in your current book

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01:14:35,924 --> 01:14:37,554
and the one you have upcoming, right?

1244
01:14:37,572 --> 01:14:37,862
yeah.

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01:14:37,862 --> 01:14:42,932
So the, the book that, uh, Knut has got, that's a kind of a, an explanation

1246
01:14:42,932 --> 01:14:47,372
teaser on how we move from a centralized mind that hence the wheel that we've

1247
01:14:47,377 --> 01:14:51,542
been talking about into observing that central, observing the centralized

1248
01:14:51,547 --> 01:14:53,282
mind, which is decentralized mind.

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01:14:53,632 --> 01:14:57,612
So anyone, you, Luke, or anyone, if they wanted to, they

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01:14:57,612 --> 01:14:59,292
immediately start doing that.

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01:15:00,957 --> 01:15:02,587
You're starting to change yourself.

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01:15:02,657 --> 01:15:04,807
It's there for everyone.

1253
01:15:04,807 --> 01:15:05,917
It's their own.

1254
01:15:06,207 --> 01:15:08,107
It's like their own property.

1255
01:15:08,477 --> 01:15:10,867
That's your own property and you're in charge.

1256
01:15:10,967 --> 01:15:11,387
Okay.

1257
01:15:11,517 --> 01:15:13,087
So there's your own authority.

1258
01:15:13,497 --> 01:15:17,747
And the book that I'm writing, I'll make that into a second edition.

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01:15:17,747 --> 01:15:19,187
I'm going to expand that book.

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01:15:19,547 --> 01:15:23,907
The other book is more for a healing book for the more

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01:15:23,987 --> 01:15:26,367
spiritual or health and fitness.

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01:15:26,862 --> 01:15:28,262
Um, market.

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01:15:29,052 --> 01:15:34,332
And so I'll, it's really my work where I am, but I'll be bringing

1264
01:15:34,372 --> 01:15:36,632
probably a mention of Bitcoin into it.

1265
01:15:37,302 --> 01:15:41,782
Uh, or whenever I do a podcast, I'll, I bring up Bitcoin because

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01:15:41,782 --> 01:15:44,712
I think, uh, one helps the other.

1267
01:15:44,782 --> 01:15:51,622
They're synergistic, or maybe Knut, it's something even more, um, special.

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01:15:51,622 --> 01:15:52,002
I don't know.

1269
01:15:52,002 --> 01:15:53,132
It's like an anchor.

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01:15:53,384 --> 01:15:59,969
Yeah, Mind Decentralized Becoming Masterless is available from bitcoinbook.

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shop.

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01:16:00,684 --> 01:16:03,424
Which is where you'll also find all my books.

1273
01:16:03,524 --> 01:16:07,494
And Rob, thank you very much for coming on to the show with us.

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01:16:08,164 --> 01:16:11,614
Looking forward to co writing Liver Decentralized with

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01:16:11,614 --> 01:16:12,754
you in Madeira in March.

1276
01:16:13,224 --> 01:16:16,374
And, uh, uh, see you there.

1277
01:16:16,404 --> 01:16:21,364
And, uh, yeah, have a great rest of your life, as we say on this show, because we

1278
01:16:21,364 --> 01:16:23,454
think the rest of the day is too short.

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01:16:24,394 --> 01:16:25,384
So, until we meet again.

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01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:26,109
Thanks, Knut.

1281
01:16:26,149 --> 01:16:26,879
Thanks, Luke.

1282
01:16:27,154 --> 01:16:30,734
uh, Knut, uh, jumped the gun just slightly.

1283
01:16:30,734 --> 01:16:35,284
Anywhere else you'd like to, to redirect our listeners to, to, to check out

1284
01:16:35,284 --> 01:16:36,664
your stuff or find out more about

1285
01:16:36,839 --> 01:16:38,709
Yeah, I have a website, RobRindead.

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01:16:38,709 --> 01:16:39,079
com.

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01:16:39,129 --> 01:16:45,179
I'm on Twitter quite a lot and Instagram, YouTube, again, under RobRindead.

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01:16:45,509 --> 01:16:46,099
RobRindead.

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01:16:46,586 --> 01:16:47,076
Very good.

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01:16:47,106 --> 01:16:48,606
We'll include all that information.

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01:16:48,656 --> 01:16:49,026
Yep.

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01:16:49,146 --> 01:16:52,526
And now I will say, Rob, have a great rest of your life.

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01:16:52,586 --> 01:16:54,456
And this has been the Freedom Footprint Show.

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Thanks for listening.