Peace Through Sovereignty with Tony Yazbeck - Freedom Footprint Show 58

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since the beginning of time, problems were always resolved

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violence.

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You know, you try to talk, if we don't find a solution, it escalates a bit more.

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If we still can't find a solution, then somebody gets angry.

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And if it still can't get a solution, then you break out into a fight.

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And if it still doesn't get fixed, somebody ends up dead.

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Before Bitcoin, which is obviously, that peaceful

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revolution, like, how do you do it?

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There was no other way.

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Welcome back to the Freedom Footprint show, the Bitcoin

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philosophy show with Knut Svanholm and me, Luke the Pseudo Finn.

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Today, we're joined by Tony Yazbeck, Bitcoin educator and

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co founder of The Bitcoin Way.

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In this episode, Tony walks us through his personal orange billing

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story and the effects that Lebanon's financial crisis had on his journey.

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We discuss Bitcoin adoption, violence, and the importance of self sovereignty.

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Finally, we learn more about The Bitcoin Way.

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And how Tony's 20 years of experience in cybersecurity, encryption, and

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privacy play a big role in the company.

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We'll be talking a bit more about them later.

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And now, without further ado, Here is Tony Yazbeck on the Freedom Footprint Show.

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welcome to the Freedom Footprint Show.

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Thanks for joining us.

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Thank you for having me.

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Yes, welcome, Tony.

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You're the CEO of the Bitcoin Way, right?

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I'm one of the co founders.

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Yes, correct.

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the co founders, which is an interesting company.

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We'll get back into that a little later.

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But first, a little bit about you.

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Can you give us the TLDR on who you are and how were you orange pilled and how

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did you become a full time Bitcoiner?

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sure.

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Absolutely.

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I come from over 20 years of cybersecurity encryption and privacy.

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So I've been like heavily involved in the IT world for a very long time.

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Bitcoin, I'd say like a little over five years deep down the rabbit hole.

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And, uh, My story in Bitcoin is an interesting one because I actually

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witnessed the pain of hyperinflation and complete life saving destruction, you

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know, before my own eyes, which is what really, you know, woke me up and led

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me to look for answers to this story.

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Thanks for watching.

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Nuclear surprise, you know, that just came out of nowhere.

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I was in Cyprus when it happened and the situation that I'm

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referring to was not the Cyprus one.

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It was the one next door in Lebanon when the protests broke out and, you

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know, the whole country was in shambles.

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And then from one day to the next, everybody's life savings were wiped.

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Okay, so, when you live through something like this, you realize very quickly

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that this is not a theory anymore.

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This is not a movie.

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This is real life.

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It can happen.

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It will happen to anyone.

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No one's immune to it.

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It's just a question of when your turn comes.

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Once you live through something like this, it's very hard to unsee it, to

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forget about it, because the pain and destruction it leaves in its path

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is really, it's unheard of, okay?

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I mean, you have people literally went to bed on a Tuesday, being financially

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comfortable, a lot of them retired, waking up the next day, nothing's working.

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This is how it happened.

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You woke up the next day, you know, you're trying to buy

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stuff, credit cards don't work.

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Okay, well maybe it's a glitch.

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Call the bank, there's no answer at the bank.

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Okay, so then, then what?

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So then, okay, you can't buy whatever it is that you're buying.

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So you wait, hopefully it'll, you know, resolve itself.

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One day, two days, three days, news comes out, banks are closed because of

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whatever bullshit reason they give you.

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Fast forward three years, money is hyperinflated to God knows what.

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If you had a million dollars U.

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in a Lebanese bank, you have 300 now, this is what happened.

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And, uh, when you see this, it wakes you up in a way that's very hard to describe.

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You know, like, I mean, your views on the world change almost instantly

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in a way that are irreversible.

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So, you start looking for answers.

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What the hell just happened?

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what happened here, you know, all, all your life you're told, you know, you go,

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you work, you make an honest living, you put your money in that bank, when you

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decide to retire, your money's there, except no, finally you find out that

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the money in the bank is not yours, the banks are the thieves stealing your

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money, and they're not giving it to you, and there's nothing you can do about

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it, so then you dig deeper, you know, how far does this thing go, who's behind

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all of this, how is this put together, how is this scam concocted, since when,

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you start asking questions, And that's essentially what led me to Bitcoin.

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When I finally realized that my entire life has been a lie with regards

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to money, any normal person would, would, would react the same way I

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did, which was, you know, you get very angry, you know, because you

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think you're doing the right thing.

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And at the end of the day, you get completely screwed over.

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And there's literally nothing you can do.

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Something like this happens once.

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If you let it happen twice, then you're the idiot.

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before Bitcoin, we had no alternative.

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And this is, was my biggest, lifeline, if you want.

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Because once you survive, a disaster, having your life savings wiped out,

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You know, you go to a, you go to a very dark place and it's not everyone

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that can come out of it normally.

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I don't want to get too morbid about this, but let's just say, you know,

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like I've seen very close friends of mine not come out of this.

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I've seen people that I know, good people, not come out of this.

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And it's not something I wish upon anyone.

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So, when I try to pass this message on, subtly through orange pilling, to try to

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warn people, guys, this is not a movie.

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It's not just Lebanon.

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It doesn't matter where you are.

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The fiat system is rigged.

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It's bullshit from beginning to end.

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It's a concoction by a group of thieves that designed this for this purpose.

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And before Bitcoin, there was no real alternative.

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mean, the, the, the notion that you don't own your money, that you have

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to ask permission from someone to use your money, your time and energy.

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How does that make sense to anyone?

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How does anyone accept this?

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I don't.

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Not anymore.

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Anyhow,

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Oh, the, the first, uh, feeling I get is anger, of course, like, and, uh,

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I can see the writings on the wall in other countries, like here in Spain,

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for instance, the last time I needed to withdraw cash from the bank, they

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asked me what I was going to use it for, and it's not like it was an enormous

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sum, and still, even if it was, like, what the hell business of theirs is,

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is it what I want to use my money for?

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it's not their money, it's my money.

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I should be asking them what they're using my money for, not

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the other way around, right?

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So, so that's, I see that as an absolute warning sign and it's everywhere.

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You hear stories about people's bank accounts being shut down and you know,

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what happened to Nigel Farage in the UK, for instance, and a multitude of other

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people that had the same problem and I, I recently read some news from Sweden,

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where I come from, where the Swedish krona is now at an all time low against

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the euro, so it's now 12 Swedish krona per euro, and it has lost 40 percent of

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its purchasing power against the euro.

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Which in itself has lost its purchasing power against the dollar in 10 years

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and 7 percent during the last year.

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But I know since I, I changed some Swedish krona for euros half a year back

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and it has dropped 7 percent since then.

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So it's not the last year, it's the last half year, which is a significant amount.

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mean, Scandinavia has.

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It's viewed itself as the Scandinavian countries have viewed

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themselves as being immune to all of this for a long, long time.

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But then again, we've had these negative interest rates and other fictitious

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bullshit for a couple of years now.

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And sooner or later, the shit hits the fan.

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And after the lockdowns and everything, I mean, Sweden didn't really have lockdowns,

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but even, but still, the COVID measures.

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Cost a lot of money in every country.

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And, uh, it's just, as you say, it's just a matter of time.

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It's, it's doomed because it's designed that way.

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There is no way out of it.

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they're printing money to reduce the value of the national debt,

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which, and what that is, is just a mass theft of people's life power.

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It's, it's just depleting everyone's mana, if you will.

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Uh, I'm curious about Lebanon and what happened there, like how much,

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how close to it, is it a civil war situation there now, or like how, how

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dangerous is Lebanon at this point?

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And what, what happens in a situations like that?

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Do people start using other means of media of exchange?

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What's your observation?

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The thing is, Lebanon is a bit of a, it's a city of miracles in the sense that

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depending where you go in Lebanon, you can see a completely different movie.

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I mean, if you go down, if you fly down to Lebanon now and you go to

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a certain part of the city, they live better than Beverly Hills.

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You know, you wonder, like, how the hell is that possible?

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But they

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in Beirut you mean?

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Yes.

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Well, in certain parts of Beirut, yes.

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But realistically, there's, I think, 80 or 90 percent of the

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population is below the poverty line.

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It's absolutely horrendous.

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But there is a small minority, a small percentage of people

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that, you know, somehow are still beating the rate of inflation.

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And their money is obviously, well, yes, possibly, and likely that their

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funds were not in Lebanon , when the system effectively stole everybody's

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life savings, their funds were out.

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You know, there was a lot of, um, illegal money transfers that was

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going on behind the scenes during the time where supposedly no one

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was allowed to take out their money, but certain people, somehow were

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siphoning billions out of the country.

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And you have no right to investigate how this is going on.

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That's the worst part.

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So, long story short, if you had your life savings over there,

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today they are 100 percent gone.

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And the worst part is, whatever's left, you're not allowed to take out.

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They don't give it to you, you have withdrawal limits

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that are completely absurd.

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Yeah, I saw someone come in with a shotgun to withdraw money, not to rob the bank,

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but to get his own money out of the bank.

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Yes, absolutely.

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And it happened on several occasions, right?

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Well, of course it's going to happen.

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I mean, you're, you're a hardworking individual.

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You've got whatever it is that you have in that bank account as your life savings.

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Your mom is sick.

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She needs treatment.

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The bank decides, screw you, I'm not giving you your money, so what do you do?

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What options do you have?

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If you do nothing, your mom's going to die.

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So, you either let her die, or you take measures into your own hand.

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Now, keep in mind, these people that went into a bank with guns,

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none of these folks are criminals.

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These are mothers, fathers, regular, good people.

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On the contrary,

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pushed to a limit.

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Yes, they are victim, pushed to a corner that they have no

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choice but to react this way.

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And this is, what I keep telling everybody, I'm like, you guys have no idea

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when things get bad, good people start doing crazy shit, , because they have to.

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It's almost like a survival thing.

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So these folks that went into these banks with guns.

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They wanted their money.

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They didn't want anybody else's money.

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They weren't robbing anyone.

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They just wanted their life savings to pay for medical

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bills for a dying family member.

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So, do you blame them?

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Or do you, now all of a sudden, oh no, they're evil people, they have a gun.

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No, I wouldn't call that almost a survival mechanism, I would call

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that an actual survival mechanism.

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That is, Your only option.

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It's like when you, when you have no means of saving your, your time

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preference goes up and I always talk about this, like if you're stripped of

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all your, all of your possessions, your, your time preference is as the highest

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it can get, you need to find food and shelter and you use any means necessary

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to get that, otherwise you're dead,

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Absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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There's no other choice.

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And, uh, unfortunately, you know, when, when you bully someone, so much.

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At some point, you know, they're going to push back.

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I mean, everybody has a breaking point.

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And, uh, it's that breaking point that worries me, on a global level.

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Because, I've seen it in one place and it was, like, horrendous.

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Can you imagine this?

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Spreading like a virus in, , more and more cities.

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it's hard to imagine.

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So why isn't Bitcoin adoption more widespread in Lebanon?

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Well, it's twofold.

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For one, it is increasing from what I hear.

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I mean, I haven't been there in a while.

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I have no interest in going back there.

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I'm absolutely, disgusted by the whole situation.

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But from what I hear, Bitcoin activity , is on the rise a lot more now.

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You have to keep in mind a lot of these folks.

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Don't understand money.

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Okay.

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These guys, they, they want immediate satisfaction.

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They have to eat.

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So they're not going to, , take a risk with something that

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they can't exchange for food.

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So the big thing over there is the US dollar.

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So anything, they will do anything to get a US dollar, even though, you know,

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this is not what they need, they need something that's not going to continuously

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steal their money and time and energy, but because you have to eat and it's

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not common enough to exchange, you know, Bitcoin for what you actually have to put.

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Food on the table, you're like stuck in a catch 22.

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This is what I think is happening.

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And this is, it's like a common scenario in countries or with

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people, you know, very limited financial resources, you're stuck.

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And it's a, it's a very painful transition.

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It takes a considerable amount of effort to pass through this storm

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to come out on the other side.

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Some of them don't make it, some of them do make it, but , it's a

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really huge workout to, to do this.

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So time will tell what, what will happen, but there's a lot more

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people mining Bitcoin in Lebanon.

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I don't know how they're doing it considering there's electricity

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only a few hours a day.

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So I don't know, how they're actually doing it, if they're doing it via natural

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resources, Lebanon has a lot of natural resource, water being one of them.

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So I don't know if somehow they're being set up in locations close

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to that to take advantage of this.

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Otherwise, the price of electricity, first of all, is horrendously high.

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And second of all, there is no electricity.

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It's, it comes in like, it's rationed for a few hours a day.

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So you couldn't possibly mine anything reliably or profitably

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for that matter over there.

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Yeah.

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So the way I see bitcoin adoption, I is the only way to save people

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in the coming decade when this is going to hit more and more countries

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at a faster and faster pace.

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If there isn't sufficient Bitcoin adoption there, in the next place it happens

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to the alternative is, is violence.

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There's only that, like there's, there's Bitcoin or there's violence.

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Literally, uh, with Bitcoin they can trade.

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So they don't have to use force.

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If they can't trade, they will have to use force.

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That's as simple as that.

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You said you were in Cyprus during the time that this happened.

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So, what was your orange pill moment?

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Like, um, of course...

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Having seen this and lived through this and all of that must have

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helped your orange pilling journey, but how did you find out about

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Bitcoin when did the penny drop?

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So this is the obvious solution, like, were you ever a shit coiner?

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Like, what's the story there?

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of course.

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I'm not going to hide or lie about this.

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Obviously, I dabbled into a whole bunch of, stupid things in the beginning, you

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know, nothing positive came out of it.

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So that's fine.

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Almost everyone did.

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yeah, so, uh, yeah, of course I dabbled into, you know, a few things and learned

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a few things along the way as well.

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But ultimately, my objective was to find.

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A permanent solution to this problem in a sense that I needed to be in a

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position where no one can steal from me ever again, and it wasn't going to

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be the traditional route of gold, real estate, none of that nonsense, because

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all of that can be taken away from you.

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I came to the very firm conclusion that nothing physical is safe anymore.

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Nothing.

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Unless, unless you have an army to protect it.

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I get into debates sometimes with folks, you know, gold is, is a better

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investment or buying real estate.

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I have five apartment buildings.

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All right, cool.

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But if an army of five guys come up to you with a gun and tell you, get

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out, what are you going to tell them?

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That you have a piece of paper that says it's legally mine, you can't touch it.

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They're going to tell you you have 10 seconds.

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You either leave or we carry you out.

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Pick.

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So, unless you have an army to protect yourself in extreme cases, this is

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what I'm talking about, obviously this is like an extreme case, but when

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you are , in a predicament where the money's gone, people are desperate.

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People are hungry.

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People do all sorts of insane things.

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So, you can't predict the behavior that's going to come your way.

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You have to be ready for it.

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And fundamentally...

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Since the beginning of time, problems were always resolved

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via one way only, violence.

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You know, you try to talk, if it, if we don't find a solution,

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it escalates a bit more.

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If we still can't find a solution, then somebody gets angry.

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And if it still can't get a solution, then you break out into a fight.

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And if it still doesn't get fixed, somebody ends up dead,

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so we want to avoid this.

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Obviously nobody wants to go into violence that's not the end game.

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Bye.

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Before Bitcoin, which is obviously, you know, that peaceful

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revolution, like, how do you do it?

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Really?

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How do you do it?

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There was no other way.

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Bitcoin.

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Yeah.

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I mean Bitcoin, defund, the source funding the bullshit, right?

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And the solution, the way I see.

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It's not that hard, but you just have to get the world to see it your way.

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If everyone tomorrow decides, I don't want fiat anymore, just like this

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tomorrow, five minutes, and you just opt into Bitcoin, we start transacting this.

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Whatever it takes, we'll figure it out.

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Problem solved.

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The problem is nobody believes it.

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You can't convince, the general public instantly to understand this.

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Yeah, it's really problem solved for everyone forever, which

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is, it's really that simple.

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If everyone's orange pilled.

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There's no more problems like Bitcoin fixes.

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This is true on so many levels.

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People think it's fictitious, but you know, it's like the saying, if goods and

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services don't cross borders, armies will.

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uh, it doesn't matter if it's a national border or if it's one of your five

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apartments that you need to save from the five guys with guns, it's the same

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thing if goods and services don't.

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Don't cross guys with guns will at some point that that's the end game there.

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Listen, these, these, these scenarios that I'm citing, they may seem a

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bit extreme, but they've happened.

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I've seen them happen.

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This is why I know about them.

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Obviously I don't, I don't like them, but it's not a movie.

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I'm not making this up from my own imagination.

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This is happening.

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This will happen when things get bad enough.

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So, uh, we try to avoid this as much as possible and, try to keep things

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as civil and peaceful as we possibly can because, that's how it should be.

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So, is that why you started the Bitcoin way?

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I guess it is.

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But, but, when did that happen?

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And what was the idea behind

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Yeah, well, the idea is to ensure that...

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The least number of people get affected by such a disastrous outcome as possible.

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I mean, the more, the more people I can convince, educate, influence, to

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understand, the reality of what's going on and to have them at least,

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take some steps to protect themselves.

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it almost feels like a mission, like a, like, like a calling, you know, like it's,

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uh, I never want to see anyone go through what I've seen in the last five years.

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Never.

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Not even my worst enemy, I would wish upon that upon them.

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But I do know that Bitcoin is technology and most people are

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not tech people, by any stretch.

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So it's a big.

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It's a big roadblock for many, and I know this because they've told me

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I don't know how to set up anything, cold wallet and all that, so I'm going

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to screw it up, I'm going to lose my money, forget it, I'm not touching it.

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All right, fine, so what if I do it for you?

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Would that help?

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Then the conversation lasts a bit longer, and then you actually get the

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work done, they see how it works, you explain exactly, , how things function.

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Some of them get it.

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Thankfully, a lot more these days understand it because of the way, you

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know, things are getting progressively worse, globally that, the world is just

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doing the marketing for Bitcoin, which makes our job a little easier and just

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executing what needs to be done in order to get the technicals out of the way.

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So for people that don't know, the Bitcoin way is, as I understand it,

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advises Bitcoiners on every level.

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You guys are providing advice, technical advice to people on how to secure their,

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even if they want a custodian to hold their coins, or if they want to do it.

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Themselves, if they want to use a hardware wallet, if they want to use

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a multisig, if they want to do coin joins, whatever, you're, you, you

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can provide technical assistance.

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Absolutely.

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Like you can think of us as like the Bitcoin.

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So we cover really everything.

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We, from cold wallets to nodes, inheritance planning, no KYC

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Bitcoin, integrating Bitcoin payments into your platform.

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Whatever it is that you need around the Bitcoin ecosystem,

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we can definitely assist with.

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We don't sell anything in terms of hardware or software.

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We are pure knowledge service here.

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So we have zero financial incentives to favor.

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One product over another.

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I test things personally myself on a regular basis, like a lot of stuff

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that's on the market just to stay on top of things and to filter out, the

479
00:24:54,307 --> 00:24:57,267
good, the bad and the ugly, make sure what's, what's reliable and what's not.

480
00:24:57,267 --> 00:25:01,017
And based on the, on, on a, like a strict set of guidelines

481
00:25:01,017 --> 00:25:02,417
that I have for these products.

482
00:25:02,842 --> 00:25:06,752
I make my recommendations, so for example, for cold wallets, we only

483
00:25:06,752 --> 00:25:09,672
deal with and recommend open source or verifiable source, anything

484
00:25:09,682 --> 00:25:11,072
outside of that we don't even look at.

485
00:25:11,552 --> 00:25:13,032
Um, same thing for nodes.

486
00:25:13,372 --> 00:25:15,142
Privacy is a very, very big thing.

487
00:25:15,142 --> 00:25:18,202
If there's a way to protect your privacy that you haven't thought

488
00:25:18,212 --> 00:25:19,972
of, you know, we will find it.

489
00:25:20,022 --> 00:25:24,182
I mean, you have 25 years of cybersecurity here that's coming into play.

490
00:25:24,757 --> 00:25:26,357
during our consultation.

491
00:25:26,387 --> 00:25:29,357
So there's a lot of things that I probably will be thinking of that

492
00:25:29,367 --> 00:25:33,057
most people will not, consider simply because of my background.

493
00:25:33,107 --> 00:25:37,247
And that becomes very valuable, in many aspects that most people

494
00:25:37,247 --> 00:25:40,707
don't even realize, and we are 100 percent for self custody.

495
00:25:40,757 --> 00:25:42,557
We don't hold any keys for anyone.

496
00:25:42,917 --> 00:25:46,917
I'm not a particular fan of, the whole third party involvement.

497
00:25:47,197 --> 00:25:50,657
The less, the least, the less people you involve in your

498
00:25:50,697 --> 00:25:52,147
Bitcoin custody, the better.

499
00:25:52,217 --> 00:25:54,597
Like the way I see it is the only person that should be

500
00:25:54,597 --> 00:25:56,377
responsible for your money is you.

501
00:25:57,337 --> 00:26:01,657
And unless you have implicit, absolute trust in someone, you shouldn't

502
00:26:01,677 --> 00:26:03,037
be trusting them with your keys.

503
00:26:03,677 --> 00:26:04,477
No, I agree.

504
00:26:04,652 --> 00:26:08,172
Yeah, because people problems are a hundred times worse to

505
00:26:08,172 --> 00:26:09,562
troubleshoot than technical ones.

506
00:26:09,572 --> 00:26:10,292
That's a fact.

507
00:26:10,802 --> 00:26:13,972
Like you have the whole multi sig thing, you have different parties

508
00:26:13,972 --> 00:26:16,332
involved, then you have a problem with one of them or two of them.

509
00:26:17,662 --> 00:26:18,392
How do you deal with that?

510
00:26:18,592 --> 00:26:19,442
One of them disappears.

511
00:26:19,462 --> 00:26:20,672
The other one doesn't want to talk to you.

512
00:26:21,122 --> 00:26:21,562
Now what?

513
00:26:23,499 --> 00:26:24,149
That's hard.

514
00:26:24,699 --> 00:26:24,999
Yeah.

515
00:26:24,999 --> 00:26:27,269
So if you have a multisig, you should probably have.

516
00:26:27,849 --> 00:26:32,189
Enough keys by yourself to, um, to be able to unlock your

517
00:26:32,199 --> 00:26:34,079
Bitcoin, without the third party.

518
00:26:34,169 --> 00:26:38,369
So if you have two out of the three keys yourself, that's better than

519
00:26:38,644 --> 00:26:39,754
yes, yes.

520
00:26:39,834 --> 00:26:43,214
Or deal with people that you know, have like, I don't know, like a

521
00:26:43,214 --> 00:26:46,004
99 percent chance of you never running into a problem with them.

522
00:26:46,064 --> 00:26:49,204
Like a mom or a dad or a brother or sister, like not a stranger.

523
00:26:49,294 --> 00:26:51,624
, unless you've known this person your whole life, type of thing.

524
00:26:52,634 --> 00:26:52,884
Yeah.

525
00:26:53,324 --> 00:26:56,254
So, this is a bit of a devil's advocate question.

526
00:26:56,294 --> 00:27:01,154
How, how can people know that the Bitcoin way is not biased

527
00:27:01,344 --> 00:27:03,904
towards a certain company?

528
00:27:03,964 --> 00:27:08,344
, how can the customer know that you haven't accepted a big bag of coins

529
00:27:08,344 --> 00:27:10,214
from one of these products that you

530
00:27:10,264 --> 00:27:12,024
Yeah, that's a very good question, actually.

531
00:27:12,064 --> 00:27:14,168
Um, we, we just don't.

532
00:27:14,218 --> 00:27:18,148
I mean, based on our recommendations, you can tell when we consult with

533
00:27:18,158 --> 00:27:19,798
someone, for example, they have nothing.

534
00:27:19,798 --> 00:27:21,108
They come to us with absolutely nothing.

535
00:27:21,108 --> 00:27:23,198
Phase one usually starts with the cold wallet.

536
00:27:23,728 --> 00:27:27,958
We have a whole list of cold wallets that we've tested and we recommend.

537
00:27:27,968 --> 00:27:31,128
, you can see from the list, we have like four or five really good ones.

538
00:27:31,238 --> 00:27:32,958
So we have no affiliation with anyone.

539
00:27:32,968 --> 00:27:34,888
The user can pick whichever one they want.

540
00:27:35,298 --> 00:27:37,508
They don't pay us to recommend their products.

541
00:27:37,918 --> 00:27:39,098
You pick whatever you want.

542
00:27:39,778 --> 00:27:41,248
When you have it, you call back.

543
00:27:41,298 --> 00:27:42,228
I'll help you set it up.

544
00:27:42,228 --> 00:27:42,908
Doesn't really matter.

545
00:27:42,908 --> 00:27:44,218
Same thing for all the products.

546
00:27:44,958 --> 00:27:47,168
So we are really like a neutral company.

547
00:27:47,298 --> 00:27:50,138
This is why, and when we intend to be this way, because we really

548
00:27:50,138 --> 00:27:52,318
want to focus on providing.

549
00:27:52,943 --> 00:27:53,573
The truth.

550
00:27:53,653 --> 00:27:54,913
Knowledge and truth.

551
00:27:55,033 --> 00:28:00,643
So we're not going to, sweep things under the rug to favor one person over another.

552
00:28:00,983 --> 00:28:06,753
If something needs to be said, then, , we will say it if it benefits the people.

553
00:28:06,803 --> 00:28:11,173
Bitcoin is for the people and we're here to ensure that everyone is set up

554
00:28:11,503 --> 00:28:15,343
properly in a bulletproof and airtight way from now to the end of time.

555
00:28:15,954 --> 00:28:17,044
Yeah, sounds awesome.

556
00:28:17,134 --> 00:28:19,484
Sounds like we should have a longer call

557
00:28:19,959 --> 00:28:21,079
Yeah, well, we could.

558
00:28:21,144 --> 00:28:22,704
without an audience someday.

559
00:28:24,249 --> 00:28:25,299
Absolutely, man.

560
00:28:25,339 --> 00:28:26,049
Absolutely.

561
00:28:26,951 --> 00:28:27,261
Yeah.

562
00:28:28,071 --> 00:28:32,284
As you know, both me and Luke have felt this calling as well.

563
00:28:32,284 --> 00:28:32,964
This is nothing.

564
00:28:33,714 --> 00:28:36,404
This is not something you choose to do because.

565
00:28:37,243 --> 00:28:38,123
for fun.

566
00:28:39,273 --> 00:28:41,273
I mean, it is, it is a calling.

567
00:28:41,483 --> 00:28:46,599
It is something that it's an outside force in a way that compels you to do these

568
00:28:46,639 --> 00:28:50,989
things because you've seen something, and you want everyone in the world to

569
00:28:50,989 --> 00:28:57,939
see it because you can see how much better a place the world would be if they did.

570
00:28:58,684 --> 00:29:00,604
, and then you just can't help yourself.

571
00:29:00,704 --> 00:29:02,214
It's too good to be true almost.

572
00:29:02,374 --> 00:29:05,644
And the more you try to debunk it, the more, the more convinced you get.

573
00:29:06,524 --> 00:29:07,344
Yeah, absolutely.

574
00:29:07,344 --> 00:29:10,524
I mean, you have to meet, people where they are , on this journey, there's no way

575
00:29:10,524 --> 00:29:15,514
you're going to shove, thousands of hours of research into someone in five minutes,

576
00:29:15,724 --> 00:29:17,624
that you just, met down the street.

577
00:29:18,174 --> 00:29:21,644
Before the Bitcoin way, I was orange pilling, People for

578
00:29:21,644 --> 00:29:22,854
three, four years for fun.

579
00:29:22,884 --> 00:29:25,504
I mean, I've, I've orange spilled maybe like a hundred

580
00:29:25,504 --> 00:29:27,154
folks, you know, just on my own.

581
00:29:27,154 --> 00:29:30,814
And these are a casual people, restaurant waiters, barbers,

582
00:29:31,454 --> 00:29:32,994
that, that type of individual.

583
00:29:33,274 --> 00:29:35,414
And it all started, with a fun conversation.

584
00:29:35,494 --> 00:29:35,784
And.

585
00:29:36,189 --> 00:29:39,069
The way I do it is that I actually show them how it works,

586
00:29:39,159 --> 00:29:40,319
without explaining anything.

587
00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:42,779
I'm like, uh, like the restaurant's usually like the easiest one.

588
00:29:42,779 --> 00:29:44,529
I tell people when you start in a restaurant, it's like

589
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:45,819
your easiest playground.

590
00:29:46,309 --> 00:29:48,069
Tell them, okay, I'll give you, I'm going to give you your tip.

591
00:29:48,069 --> 00:29:48,699
I'll pay you in Bitcoin.

592
00:29:49,349 --> 00:29:50,199
Takes two minutes.

593
00:29:50,659 --> 00:29:51,469
They're gonna laugh.

594
00:29:51,489 --> 00:29:52,209
Some of them will be nervous.

595
00:29:52,239 --> 00:29:53,259
They have no idea what to do.

596
00:29:53,309 --> 00:29:54,349
They all have phones.

597
00:29:54,539 --> 00:29:55,439
Download the phone.

598
00:29:55,809 --> 00:29:58,049
I like to start them off with a non custodial phone.

599
00:29:58,089 --> 00:30:01,076
So, for example, Lightning, I download the Phoenix wallet.

600
00:30:01,076 --> 00:30:04,276
A lot of people, use the wallet of Satoshi, which is an excellent wallet.

601
00:30:04,346 --> 00:30:05,946
There's no denying that.

602
00:30:05,996 --> 00:30:09,746
But, from a Bitcoin principle perspective, , not your

603
00:30:09,746 --> 00:30:11,106
keys, not your coins, right?

604
00:30:11,486 --> 00:30:14,826
So, I want to get them off on the right foot.

605
00:30:14,826 --> 00:30:16,576
So, you start off with a non custodial lightning wallet,

606
00:30:16,576 --> 00:30:19,806
at the same time, two minutes, download it, send the funds, done.

607
00:30:20,686 --> 00:30:21,606
And they're like, what happened?

608
00:30:21,666 --> 00:30:22,756
And they look at the money like, ah, shit.

609
00:30:23,986 --> 00:30:24,866
What do I do with this now?

610
00:30:24,866 --> 00:30:25,706
That's the next question.

611
00:30:25,706 --> 00:30:28,806
Well, now you do nothing, you just leave it and I'll see you like in a

612
00:30:29,016 --> 00:30:33,096
few weeks and you'll see that this 10 or 20 now is actually worth more

613
00:30:33,306 --> 00:30:35,976
and then you'll understand why this is such a big deal, like you pique

614
00:30:35,976 --> 00:30:40,496
the curiosity that way before you get into, the heavy stuff, but it works.

615
00:30:40,576 --> 00:30:41,296
I mean, it works.

616
00:30:41,296 --> 00:30:43,056
There's folks that, believed in nothing.

617
00:30:43,056 --> 00:30:46,156
They thought it was all a scam and they just did it to entertain me, the client,

618
00:30:46,616 --> 00:30:50,446
but now sometimes I feel they're more maxi than I am, there are folks that

619
00:30:50,446 --> 00:30:52,726
started off with a 1 percent allocation.

620
00:30:53,226 --> 00:30:57,266
Now they're at 60 and that's with zero involvement from my end.

621
00:30:57,266 --> 00:31:02,406
These are folks that I bumped, into like months after the initial conversation

622
00:31:02,406 --> 00:31:06,596
and set up and they're like, Hey, look what I have, so orange pilling, , you

623
00:31:06,596 --> 00:31:08,046
have to meet people where they are.

624
00:31:08,926 --> 00:31:10,766
Unfortunately, I don't think.

625
00:31:11,461 --> 00:31:14,371
The majority will get it before it's too late.

626
00:31:14,914 --> 00:31:20,174
but that's because pain is usually your best teacher, at least in my experience.

627
00:31:20,234 --> 00:31:24,034
If you don't get destroyed and wrecked, you'll never learn or you wouldn't

628
00:31:24,044 --> 00:31:28,284
be open enough to understand that someone's actually trying to help you.

629
00:31:28,554 --> 00:31:31,084
You always, , come at it from, what's he trying to sell me?

630
00:31:31,084 --> 00:31:31,794
Is he lying to me?

631
00:31:31,794 --> 00:31:32,524
Can I trust him?

632
00:31:33,374 --> 00:31:39,504
Most instinctive human reactions are along those lines, so that's why I think most

633
00:31:39,504 --> 00:31:41,484
people, will have to go through the pain.

634
00:31:41,949 --> 00:31:46,086
Before they wake up, when my job is to make sure that that

635
00:31:46,086 --> 00:31:48,076
number is as low as possible.

636
00:31:48,704 --> 00:31:54,294
Yeah, yeah, I always say that take the orange pill now or be forced to

637
00:31:54,294 --> 00:31:56,344
take the orange suppository later.

638
00:31:57,154 --> 00:31:59,504
Because those are the only two choices you have.

639
00:32:00,509 --> 00:32:03,569
The suppository is the per is the perfect word for this.

640
00:32:04,159 --> 00:32:06,329
Because that's exactly where it's going to be.

641
00:32:06,329 --> 00:32:08,169
I mean, if you have kids...

642
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:12,999
It's, it's your responsibility as a parent to at least consider

643
00:32:12,999 --> 00:32:15,809
this, what kind of role model do you want to be for your kids?

644
00:32:15,829 --> 00:32:17,359
You know, it's a deep conversation.

645
00:32:17,359 --> 00:32:22,569
Bitcoin opens up so many directions of conversations beyond the money

646
00:32:23,149 --> 00:32:27,909
that are all valid, and all center around something that is

647
00:32:27,969 --> 00:32:32,409
permissionless and trustless and cannot be manipulated by anyone.

648
00:32:33,042 --> 00:32:37,357
I don't know how familiar you are with my rants, but one of the points I always

649
00:32:37,357 --> 00:32:39,787
try to make is that you are your Bitcoins.

650
00:32:40,267 --> 00:32:44,047
Since Bitcoin is all about keeping a secret, since it's just information,

651
00:32:44,457 --> 00:32:48,597
the final resting place for every single Bitcoin is in someone's head.

652
00:32:48,657 --> 00:32:52,647
It needs someone's action and someone's deliberate.

653
00:32:52,944 --> 00:32:55,130
Brain movement to do anything.

654
00:32:55,130 --> 00:32:57,290
The bitcoins don't do anything on their own.

655
00:32:57,290 --> 00:32:59,430
And the same with the miners and the nodes.

656
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,220
They're not the computer doing the calculations.

657
00:33:02,220 --> 00:33:06,870
The guy who chooses to buy the computer to run the software, to do the calculations.

658
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:07,080
Right.

659
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:12,205
So, at its core, bitcoin is a part of each and every one of us, and I find

660
00:33:12,205 --> 00:33:16,255
it so insanely fascinating when you start looking at it that way because

661
00:33:16,255 --> 00:33:19,925
you realize quite quickly that the two main things that Bitcoin does to

662
00:33:19,925 --> 00:33:22,845
people is that it lowers their time preference because they now have

663
00:33:22,845 --> 00:33:27,275
something that they know will keep its value over time in all likelihood.

664
00:33:27,665 --> 00:33:31,225
So they can feel more financially secured over time, especially if they're

665
00:33:31,225 --> 00:33:34,745
in a place like Lebanon where you lose money every day from inflation

666
00:33:34,755 --> 00:33:37,045
or true for every place, really.

667
00:33:37,315 --> 00:33:39,319
But, the other thing is that.

668
00:33:39,709 --> 00:33:43,609
As Bitcoiners, we're incentivized to help one another because Bitcoin

669
00:33:43,619 --> 00:33:48,369
succeeds faster if Bitcoiners succeed in whatever endeavors

670
00:33:48,369 --> 00:33:50,709
they're engaged in at the moment.

671
00:33:50,779 --> 00:33:56,505
So, if I help you and you help me, we help Bitcoin and we both gain from that.

672
00:33:56,875 --> 00:34:03,182
And that, to me, does something to Bitcoin companies because a fiat company

673
00:34:03,242 --> 00:34:08,682
It's engaged in free market competition and free market competition is good, but

674
00:34:08,682 --> 00:34:14,002
it can be, weird when you get lobbyists, lobbying politicians and people getting

675
00:34:14,002 --> 00:34:18,942
into artificial monopoly situations and, and it's a, you know, move fast

676
00:34:18,942 --> 00:34:21,302
and wreck things, uh, sort of situation.

677
00:34:21,722 --> 00:34:27,132
So, I view real Bitcoin companies as companies who get this, that they're

678
00:34:27,407 --> 00:34:32,247
all incentivized to help other Bitcoin companies and other Bitcoiners succeed.

679
00:34:32,537 --> 00:34:33,557
So how do you see that?

680
00:34:33,587 --> 00:34:36,947
Do you see a lot of collaboration down the line between the Bitcoin

681
00:34:36,957 --> 00:34:38,817
way and other Bitcoin companies?

682
00:34:39,287 --> 00:34:43,117
And I'm, of course, not talking about being biased and getting

683
00:34:43,117 --> 00:34:45,834
a ton of dollars from Ledger.

684
00:34:46,824 --> 00:34:48,614
That's not what I'm talking about here.

685
00:34:48,614 --> 00:34:54,277
But just in general, collaboration between all bitcoin companies on some level.

686
00:34:54,277 --> 00:34:57,260
Do you see that becoming more and more of a thing in the future?

687
00:34:57,740 --> 00:34:59,400
Yes, I mean, everything is possible.

688
00:34:59,410 --> 00:35:03,790
We are open to have conversations with anyone that wants to have them.

689
00:35:04,020 --> 00:35:07,710
We have our principles, though, that we are not going to, break

690
00:35:07,710 --> 00:35:09,340
or sway from for anyone.

691
00:35:09,420 --> 00:35:14,790
for example, we are not going to engage or support any project

692
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,340
that, , does censorship on any level, that's a non negotiable thing.

693
00:35:18,340 --> 00:35:21,500
We won't, support any projects that voluntarily collaborates

694
00:35:21,500 --> 00:35:22,820
with chain analysis, for example.

695
00:35:22,830 --> 00:35:23,720
That's a no go too.

696
00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:30,790
We are pro freedom, pro The right to own your own time and energy.

697
00:35:30,970 --> 00:35:32,780
There's no gray zones about this.

698
00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:35,970
You know, you're either you're going to do it right or stay in fiat.

699
00:35:36,010 --> 00:35:37,850
There's no point, wasting anybody's time.

700
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:44,290
We encourage companies to accept Bitcoin, and we encourage Bitcoiners to spend a

701
00:35:44,290 --> 00:35:49,350
small allocation of their Bitcoin holdings to support businesses that accept it.

702
00:35:49,580 --> 00:35:54,940
And I say this, specifically to fast track the normalization of Bitcoin.

703
00:35:55,350 --> 00:35:58,880
In the real world for everyday people, in the sense that, when Mr.

704
00:35:58,880 --> 00:35:59,940
and Mrs.

705
00:35:59,940 --> 00:36:05,370
Joe walk into a store, they need to see cash, credit card, Bitcoin, cash, credit

706
00:36:05,380 --> 00:36:08,260
card, Bitcoin, every single place they go.

707
00:36:08,450 --> 00:36:13,130
So they start thinking about it as money and not just this speculative thing

708
00:36:13,340 --> 00:36:15,750
that you're going to buy and hold and make you like a billionaire one day.

709
00:36:16,215 --> 00:36:21,712
, that's like a side effect of Bitcoin, but I want Bitcoin to become normalized

710
00:36:21,712 --> 00:36:25,082
in the world so that it becomes like electricity, like the internet, like

711
00:36:25,082 --> 00:36:27,072
it's something that's always been there.

712
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,059
this is how Bitcoin wins.

713
00:36:29,569 --> 00:36:29,889
Okay.

714
00:36:29,889 --> 00:36:34,514
And the sooner we do this, the quicker we get to where we want to see

715
00:36:34,514 --> 00:36:38,644
Bitcoin in our lifetime., ultimately I'm convinced Bitcoin will become

716
00:36:38,914 --> 00:36:41,704
the global standard for everything.

717
00:36:42,344 --> 00:36:44,914
Now, if I want it to happen in my lifetime, there's a lot more

718
00:36:44,914 --> 00:36:49,134
people like myself that have to, do a lot of work in order to fast

719
00:36:49,154 --> 00:36:51,604
track that, that time timeline.

720
00:36:51,654 --> 00:36:54,777
Otherwise, , it'll happen, if you have kids and, , your kids, lifetime,

721
00:36:54,817 --> 00:36:56,057
maybe their kids, I don't know.

722
00:36:56,457 --> 00:37:00,797
But yeah, the more contributions we can offer the world in terms of

723
00:37:00,827 --> 00:37:02,242
Bitcoin adoption, we will do it.

724
00:37:02,642 --> 00:37:03,422
No problems there.

725
00:37:04,052 --> 00:37:04,762
Excellent.

726
00:37:05,342 --> 00:37:08,062
Luke, do you have any questions for Tony on your mind?

727
00:37:08,342 --> 00:37:09,589
Yeah, little bit of...

728
00:37:10,044 --> 00:37:15,554
Professional curiosity, actually, my fiat job, and for the foreseeable future

729
00:37:15,664 --> 00:37:17,894
will continue to be in, in cybersecurity.

730
00:37:17,914 --> 00:37:22,144
And so I'd like to hear about that part of your background and

731
00:37:22,154 --> 00:37:24,004
what that brings to your work.

732
00:37:24,349 --> 00:37:25,659
Uh, roll in the Bitcoin way.

733
00:37:26,659 --> 00:37:28,949
You mean like, , the security models that we implement?

734
00:37:29,329 --> 00:37:31,459
Yeah, I mean, we take security very seriously.

735
00:37:31,469 --> 00:37:36,799
Like for example, before even getting to the Bitcoin itself, we check networks.

736
00:37:36,829 --> 00:37:39,949
We can go as far as making sure, for example, that you have a good router in

737
00:37:39,949 --> 00:37:41,519
place, that the router's properly set up.

738
00:37:41,559 --> 00:37:45,929
Is your computer infected or susceptible to infection?

739
00:37:46,464 --> 00:37:47,694
, what do you have installed on it?

740
00:37:47,714 --> 00:37:48,274
Is it old?

741
00:37:48,274 --> 00:37:48,824
Is it new?

742
00:37:48,844 --> 00:37:49,774
What are you doing on it?

743
00:37:49,804 --> 00:37:51,024
You know, all of these things.

744
00:37:51,374 --> 00:37:55,824
We can go as far as to, minimizing the risk factor as much as possible

745
00:37:56,094 --> 00:37:59,764
even before getting to the Bitcoin because all of this ecosystem,

746
00:38:00,424 --> 00:38:01,814
all these elements are involved.

747
00:38:01,814 --> 00:38:03,784
It's not just a cold wallet and a node and that's it.

748
00:38:04,034 --> 00:38:06,264
Your cold wallet, your node, they all go through a router

749
00:38:06,294 --> 00:38:07,264
to go through the internet.

750
00:38:07,264 --> 00:38:09,824
So if those are compromised, then you possibly have a problem.

751
00:38:10,224 --> 00:38:13,644
If your computer is compromised with like malware or virus,

752
00:38:13,684 --> 00:38:14,604
, then you have a problem.

753
00:38:15,434 --> 00:38:18,594
A big thing that a lot of people don't even know is a risk.

754
00:38:19,064 --> 00:38:21,434
These are the actual cables that they use.

755
00:38:22,354 --> 00:38:25,154
Did you know that there are cables that are infected with malware?

756
00:38:26,074 --> 00:38:31,044
So you can buy a USB cable, regular looking cable, looks no

757
00:38:31,044 --> 00:38:32,994
different from an infected one.

758
00:38:33,454 --> 00:38:36,664
You plug this into your computer, your computer's done because

759
00:38:36,674 --> 00:38:38,894
this cable contains a web server.

760
00:38:39,149 --> 00:38:43,129
Which allows a remote hacker to execute scripts to do absolutely

761
00:38:43,199 --> 00:38:46,979
anything and everything they want on your machine without your knowledge.

762
00:38:47,699 --> 00:38:48,139
Okay?

763
00:38:48,539 --> 00:38:50,669
Most people have no idea this even exists.

764
00:38:51,729 --> 00:38:52,579
I check for it.

765
00:38:53,189 --> 00:38:56,949
They think I'm crazy, but you know, once we find something,

766
00:38:56,949 --> 00:38:57,989
then they're like, what the hell?

767
00:38:58,019 --> 00:38:58,969
Where did you buy this from?

768
00:38:59,159 --> 00:39:01,839
Well, I bought it from some cheap vendor for 2.

769
00:39:01,839 --> 00:39:01,849
99.

770
00:39:01,849 --> 00:39:03,169
I'm like, ah, there you go.

771
00:39:03,709 --> 00:39:04,379
That's why it was 2.

772
00:39:04,379 --> 00:39:05,019
99.

773
00:39:05,019 --> 00:39:07,819
It's because you were worth more than the cable.

774
00:39:08,489 --> 00:39:12,049
So, all of these details we think about.

775
00:39:12,789 --> 00:39:17,009
Anything that has to do with Bitcoin, for example, and this is where, by the way,

776
00:39:17,009 --> 00:39:20,679
here's a shout out to CoinKite because I think they do a really good job at this.

777
00:39:20,759 --> 00:39:24,329
When you buy something from CoinKite, they wipe your data after 30 days.

778
00:39:25,314 --> 00:39:28,834
So when you buy something Bitcoin related from another

779
00:39:28,834 --> 00:39:30,594
merchant, do they wipe your data?

780
00:39:31,399 --> 00:39:32,289
Not necessarily.

781
00:39:32,289 --> 00:39:37,489
And the best thing that CoinKite brought, uh, well, whenever I guess they, they go

782
00:39:37,489 --> 00:39:42,239
to conferences and you can, can buy, uh, entirely KYC free, but they, they brought

783
00:39:42,509 --> 00:39:45,269
cold cards to Riga, Altecani Badger.

784
00:39:45,269 --> 00:39:46,809
And it was fantastic.

785
00:39:46,889 --> 00:39:47,229
Yeah.

786
00:39:47,604 --> 00:39:51,534
But you see, that's because I don't know if it's NVK was making the decisions,

787
00:39:51,534 --> 00:39:55,244
but their mindset is pure in that sense.

788
00:39:55,444 --> 00:39:58,334
We're very aligned in this in direction of the thought

789
00:39:58,394 --> 00:39:59,874
process behind these decisions.

790
00:40:00,544 --> 00:40:02,124
You know, like privacy is a big deal.

791
00:40:02,364 --> 00:40:05,434
So when you buy anything Bitcoin related from anyone, regardless of

792
00:40:05,444 --> 00:40:08,944
who it is, the merchant themselves may have a fantastic product.

793
00:40:09,034 --> 00:40:10,684
They could be the best people in the world.

794
00:40:11,044 --> 00:40:11,974
They get hacked.

795
00:40:12,430 --> 00:40:13,250
You're in trouble.

796
00:40:14,180 --> 00:40:18,351
And a lot of folks don't even think about this now because Bitcoin is like 26, 000.

797
00:40:18,351 --> 00:40:19,010
It's no big deal.

798
00:40:19,420 --> 00:40:21,390
When Bitcoin is worth a hundred million dollars.

799
00:40:21,740 --> 00:40:27,780
Let me tell you, every hack is a kill shot because it becomes very dangerous

800
00:40:27,780 --> 00:40:32,420
at that point because people are specifically after the asset and those

801
00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:37,430
that are hacking exchanges And doing, these things, they're not stupid people.

802
00:40:38,270 --> 00:40:42,200
They know exactly what they're doing, why they're doing it and how to get to it.

803
00:40:42,890 --> 00:40:45,550
So privacy is a big deal.

804
00:40:46,130 --> 00:40:50,000
And if there's a way to preserve your privacy or to protect your privacy,

805
00:40:50,090 --> 00:40:53,505
even as far as when you're making your purchases, we will find it.

806
00:40:53,895 --> 00:40:55,085
And we will advise you on it.

807
00:40:55,365 --> 00:40:59,145
And at the end of the day, it's up to you to either, take the advice or not.

808
00:40:59,495 --> 00:41:01,855
Obviously we don't compel anyone to do anything.

809
00:41:02,165 --> 00:41:04,055
We provide information.

810
00:41:04,959 --> 00:41:10,964
So, it's Is this the only way for Bitcoin to become more secure for

811
00:41:10,964 --> 00:41:13,344
the individual user in the future?

812
00:41:13,384 --> 00:41:15,434
To just listen to advice?

813
00:41:16,014 --> 00:41:19,214
Or will the free market take care of it sooner or later?

814
00:41:19,214 --> 00:41:23,164
Like, how do you see the future playing out when the world

815
00:41:23,164 --> 00:41:24,714
is getting hyperbitcoinized?

816
00:41:25,234 --> 00:41:28,654
Obviously a lot of people will lose a lot of coins, which is good for the

817
00:41:28,654 --> 00:41:31,314
people who still have their coins, because scarcity goes up, Uh...

818
00:41:34,890 --> 00:41:38,350
Still how far into the future do you think services like this

819
00:41:38,350 --> 00:41:40,080
will be needed, like forever?

820
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,760
Or, um, is it a transitory phase or?

821
00:41:43,105 --> 00:41:47,645
Well, I, no, I think it'll, I mean, I think it'll be forever.

822
00:41:47,655 --> 00:41:48,745
you're dealing with money here.

823
00:41:48,745 --> 00:41:50,555
You're not dealing with a table or a chair.

824
00:41:50,555 --> 00:41:51,655
It's not a luxury item.

825
00:41:52,140 --> 00:41:52,680
Money.

826
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:53,590
It's money.

827
00:41:54,020 --> 00:41:56,770
It's something that every human being needs.

828
00:41:56,950 --> 00:41:59,740
It's not something that it's an option for them to want to get.

829
00:41:59,780 --> 00:42:00,630
You have no money.

830
00:42:00,630 --> 00:42:01,170
You have nothing.

831
00:42:01,220 --> 00:42:01,870
You can't live.

832
00:42:02,420 --> 00:42:08,150
So securing those funds is going, always going to be an imperative thing to do.

833
00:42:08,250 --> 00:42:11,840
The notion of self custody petrifies a lot of people because

834
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:12,920
they've never had to do it.

835
00:42:13,010 --> 00:42:15,800
Being your own bank, it sounds cool, but , for a lot of people, it's

836
00:42:15,820 --> 00:42:18,660
like, Wow, man, this is too scary.

837
00:42:18,910 --> 00:42:19,910
So they don't want to do it.

838
00:42:20,540 --> 00:42:27,470
And so, you have other services that capitalize on this fear by sort of

839
00:42:27,470 --> 00:42:31,260
like mimicking the conveniences of the traditional world into Bitcoin.

840
00:42:31,937 --> 00:42:34,187
And everything is okay as long as everything is okay.

841
00:42:34,687 --> 00:42:41,067
But as long as, as soon as something goes wrong, then people are like what happened?

842
00:42:41,417 --> 00:42:44,557
And then they automatically assume that Bitcoin's the problem.

843
00:42:44,557 --> 00:42:45,727
Look, it's a scam, it's a shitcoin.

844
00:42:46,927 --> 00:42:47,417
No, it's not.

845
00:42:47,437 --> 00:42:48,527
Bitcoin's not the problem.

846
00:42:49,137 --> 00:42:50,207
The problem is...

847
00:42:50,642 --> 00:42:55,812
You sacrificed responsibility for convenience and now you've paid the price.

848
00:42:56,682 --> 00:42:57,612
That's what happened.

849
00:42:58,588 --> 00:42:58,878
Yeah.

850
00:42:58,878 --> 00:43:01,308
Reminds me of the Benjamin Franklin quote.

851
00:43:01,368 --> 00:43:01,808
What is it?

852
00:43:01,848 --> 00:43:07,098
Any society that would give up , a little liberty for a little temporary security

853
00:43:07,138 --> 00:43:08,938
deserves neither and will lose both.

854
00:43:09,413 --> 00:43:11,483
100%, 100%.

855
00:43:11,993 --> 00:43:13,373
Self custody is not hard.

856
00:43:13,393 --> 00:43:14,343
It's just new.

857
00:43:14,583 --> 00:43:15,953
You know, like it's been said many times.

858
00:43:15,953 --> 00:43:19,513
I mean, if you drive a car, you're doing something way more

859
00:43:19,513 --> 00:43:20,923
complicated than self custody.

860
00:43:21,433 --> 00:43:25,593
But you're familiar with driving a car, but were you born a car driver?

861
00:43:25,593 --> 00:43:27,043
No, you had to learn it, right?

862
00:43:27,898 --> 00:43:31,518
So, how is that any different from learning to self custody your money?

863
00:43:31,518 --> 00:43:32,008
It's not.

864
00:43:32,478 --> 00:43:36,688
You just have to be willing to sit down, listen, and learn to protect

865
00:43:36,718 --> 00:43:38,828
something that you absolutely need.

866
00:43:39,298 --> 00:43:40,758
It's not an option.

867
00:43:41,028 --> 00:43:42,568
It's Bitcoin or slavery.

868
00:43:42,718 --> 00:43:44,888
You want to choose the convenient, convenience road?

869
00:43:44,898 --> 00:43:47,928
Well, you have many governments that will be more than happy to

870
00:43:47,928 --> 00:43:49,078
provide you that convenience.

871
00:43:50,048 --> 00:43:51,448
But that comes at a price.

872
00:43:52,375 --> 00:44:01,915
Yeah, it reminds me of that picture of a lion in a zoo, and a lion, a proud male

873
00:44:01,915 --> 00:44:06,445
lion on top of the, you know, the Lion King image was standing on top of some

874
00:44:06,445 --> 00:44:11,825
mountain being The King of the Sahara or , the king of the Serengeti is the word.

875
00:44:12,035 --> 00:44:17,015
And, , the lion in the Sioux being, uh, malnourished, but still

876
00:44:17,105 --> 00:44:21,835
able to survive because he gets a meal every day from his captors.

877
00:44:21,895 --> 00:44:23,155
But he's still behind bars.

878
00:44:23,155 --> 00:44:26,625
So you choose if you're a real lion or if you're a captive

879
00:44:26,625 --> 00:44:28,375
lion, that's the choice you have.

880
00:44:28,585 --> 00:44:29,575
You've seen the meme, I guess.

881
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,260
yeah, of course, of course.

882
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:35,050
I mean, people, need to understand what the word freedom means.

883
00:44:35,100 --> 00:44:39,770
Until you actually truly understand what it means and what it represents.

884
00:44:40,456 --> 00:44:44,836
sometimes it takes extreme pain to slap

885
00:44:44,836 --> 00:44:48,816
you out of whatever coma you're in, to wake you up, so to speak, you know?

886
00:44:49,326 --> 00:44:53,036
And then once you get it, that's it, you're done, man.

887
00:44:53,236 --> 00:44:55,586
There's no way you're going back to the other side.

888
00:44:55,916 --> 00:45:00,296
And thankfully, there seems to be a lot more people that are getting it.

889
00:45:00,916 --> 00:45:05,876
And that's definitely a big step forward for humanity, because, the

890
00:45:05,876 --> 00:45:10,686
alternative to this is very dire, and I don't want to live in such a

891
00:45:10,686 --> 00:45:16,146
future, and I don't wish for anyone's kids to have to live in such a future,

892
00:45:16,396 --> 00:45:17,796
one that they have no control over.

893
00:45:18,981 --> 00:45:22,881
, no one has the right to dictate what you do with your life, absolutely no one.

894
00:45:24,976 --> 00:45:30,436
So, you obviously come from a computer security background, but what's

895
00:45:30,436 --> 00:45:31,866
your background with economics?

896
00:45:31,866 --> 00:45:35,166
Did you study any Austrian economics and praxeology and all of that?

897
00:45:35,351 --> 00:45:39,661
No, that's the funny part is that I hated those courses in, in, in college.

898
00:45:39,701 --> 00:45:42,111
The only reason I took them is because I was dating the

899
00:45:42,121 --> 00:45:44,661
teacher, you know, but beyond,

900
00:45:44,676 --> 00:45:45,406
ha, ha, ha,

901
00:45:45,771 --> 00:45:48,581
but beyond, but beyond that, I was never interested in them.

902
00:45:48,701 --> 00:45:55,941
But now because of Bitcoin, I'm far more informed and Interested and educated

903
00:45:56,001 --> 00:45:58,661
on the matter that I've ever been.

904
00:45:58,691 --> 00:46:02,881
I don't think what I know now, I would have never learned in school or college.

905
00:46:03,201 --> 00:46:06,821
I mean, there are some amazing folks that have written books, you being one

906
00:46:06,821 --> 00:46:12,571
of them that have taught me things that I would have never in my entire lifetime,

907
00:46:13,711 --> 00:46:18,551
thought possible for me to understand, and that deepens my conviction.

908
00:46:19,101 --> 00:46:23,141
into what I'm doing, you know, it solidifies the entire found,

909
00:46:23,191 --> 00:46:26,391
like the ground that I stand on when I'm doing this work.

910
00:46:26,391 --> 00:46:29,751
And when I'm helping others, when they come to the Bitcoin

911
00:46:29,771 --> 00:46:33,301
way, it's a really, it's a feel good mission more than anything.

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So do you have any book recommendations or content recommendations in Bitcoin?

952
00:48:30,662 --> 00:48:31,972
There's a lot of good books, man.

953
00:48:31,972 --> 00:48:34,972
A lot of people like to start off with, the Bitcoin Standard,

954
00:48:34,972 --> 00:48:37,102
Seyfeddin Amoussi is like, the go to.

955
00:48:37,102 --> 00:48:39,002
There's a lot of people that start off with that.

956
00:48:39,012 --> 00:48:41,632
For some reason, it resonates with them, but, there's Jeff

957
00:48:41,672 --> 00:48:43,032
Booth's, Price of Tomorrow.

958
00:48:43,442 --> 00:48:44,522
There's a lot of stuff out there.

959
00:48:44,522 --> 00:48:48,222
I mean, I don't recall them all by hand now, but I do a lot of reading,

960
00:48:48,232 --> 00:48:50,112
on my own whenever I have the time.

961
00:48:50,142 --> 00:48:54,842
I listen to a lot of ... Good people on Twitter, to stay up to date, with

962
00:48:54,912 --> 00:48:59,312
those topics that were not necessarily my strong point with regards to macro

963
00:48:59,312 --> 00:49:00,882
and microeconomics and all that stuff.

964
00:49:00,882 --> 00:49:04,172
Sometimes even philosophy, like Robert Breedlove, I listen to him

965
00:49:04,172 --> 00:49:07,442
sometimes he brings perspectives that I've never thought of before,

966
00:49:07,452 --> 00:49:13,127
which are very insightful and useful, but also help us doing what we do.

967
00:49:13,137 --> 00:49:16,287
Sometimes you get a question that's not technical, based on, the knowledge that

968
00:49:16,287 --> 00:49:20,417
you know, you sort of like explain it in a way that The other individual, like it

969
00:49:20,427 --> 00:49:22,857
makes sense to them and you move forward.

970
00:49:22,857 --> 00:49:25,557
Like you said, everybody helps each other in one way or another.

971
00:49:25,567 --> 00:49:31,187
We primarily provide the tech knowledge about this, but our knowledge is

972
00:49:31,187 --> 00:49:34,717
coming constantly from all other people, from all different directions.

973
00:49:34,727 --> 00:49:36,877
We're not narrow minded just on the tech.

974
00:49:36,897 --> 00:49:40,887
No, we want to know everything about everything that has to do with Bitcoin and

975
00:49:40,887 --> 00:49:46,157
what we can do to accelerate its adoption and, keep contributing to it positively.

976
00:49:46,899 --> 00:49:51,386
so do you think people can get Bitcoin without first getting what's

977
00:49:51,856 --> 00:49:56,316
wrong with the traditional system and how they're being robbed by

978
00:49:56,316 --> 00:49:58,906
it, or is that a required insight?

979
00:49:58,906 --> 00:50:01,986
Like you said, you have to have the pain, like if you can understand

980
00:50:02,006 --> 00:50:04,626
how inflation is stealing from you.

981
00:50:05,056 --> 00:50:07,696
Is that, and how Bitcoin can't steal from you.

982
00:50:07,746 --> 00:50:13,986
Is that a required, insight to get Bitcoin at all in your opinion?

983
00:50:15,177 --> 00:50:17,667
It certainly helps make it faster and easier.

984
00:50:18,077 --> 00:50:21,897
If somebody's been completely wrecked, to explain why Bitcoin matters.

985
00:50:21,907 --> 00:50:24,187
But there are people that understand it.

986
00:50:24,197 --> 00:50:27,677
I've encountered many folks, that I've sat down with and explained it to them,

987
00:50:27,947 --> 00:50:31,621
but they were open minded to begin with, to hear what I had to say to, , and

988
00:50:31,621 --> 00:50:36,576
I show them like concrete examples as to why, what it is, what's it for,

989
00:50:36,666 --> 00:50:38,456
why the current system is no good.

990
00:50:38,631 --> 00:50:41,021
Why you need an option, and then so forth.

991
00:50:41,191 --> 00:50:42,001
Some people get it.

992
00:50:42,011 --> 00:50:45,171
Most people, unfortunately, they don't get it.

993
00:50:45,611 --> 00:50:49,571
And the sad part is that those that need it the most are the ones

994
00:50:49,571 --> 00:50:51,851
that don't take it too seriously.

995
00:50:52,211 --> 00:50:56,341
And by those, are usually high net worth individuals.

996
00:50:56,771 --> 00:50:57,081
Okay?

997
00:50:57,081 --> 00:50:57,741
Ironically.

998
00:50:58,621 --> 00:51:04,561
Because they're so rich that it's almost like a form of arrogance, I find.

999
00:51:04,571 --> 00:51:06,651
They feel so rich, like you're untouchable.

1000
00:51:07,751 --> 00:51:09,371
Come on, man, this will never happen to me.

1001
00:51:10,071 --> 00:51:10,481
Really?

1002
00:51:11,471 --> 00:51:13,431
There were people worth billions in Lebanon too.

1003
00:51:13,931 --> 00:51:16,771
That woke up the next day homeless, literally

1004
00:51:16,846 --> 00:51:18,356
you have, the more you have to lose.

1005
00:51:18,601 --> 00:51:19,791
yeah, yeah.

1006
00:51:20,151 --> 00:51:26,311
So, and another important thing, we take, by we, I mean people that are, in

1007
00:51:26,321 --> 00:51:31,411
financial privilege, take the fact that you can buy Bitcoin so easily for granted.

1008
00:51:31,471 --> 00:51:34,521
For us, it's like, we're investing for a better future.

1009
00:51:35,041 --> 00:51:38,161
So we can easily go, buy it off an exchange or you buy it

1010
00:51:38,351 --> 00:51:41,011
peer to peer, whatever the case, you have access to it easily.

1011
00:51:41,751 --> 00:51:46,911
So the people on this side of the planet are doing it as a

1012
00:51:47,221 --> 00:51:48,521
hedge against what's coming.

1013
00:51:49,271 --> 00:51:52,441
The other side of the planet is using it to survive.

1014
00:51:52,986 --> 00:51:54,106
There's a very big difference.

1015
00:51:54,706 --> 00:51:58,176
Bitcoin in certain parts of the world is literally saving lives.

1016
00:51:58,636 --> 00:52:01,766
They cannot eat, they cannot buy anything without it.

1017
00:52:02,916 --> 00:52:08,916
So, you have to keep a very, open mind about this, that yes, Bitcoin

1018
00:52:08,916 --> 00:52:13,586
serves many, fixes many things, but some people desperately need it.

1019
00:52:14,350 --> 00:52:19,690
Yeah, I know from personal experience, one of the things that happened to me quite

1020
00:52:19,690 --> 00:52:24,175
early in my, public Bitcoiner A career or whatever you may call it, was that I

1021
00:52:24,175 --> 00:52:29,615
got a letter from a guy who just recently fled Venezuela, and they thanked me for my

1022
00:52:29,975 --> 00:52:32,580
writings, had motivated him to do that.

1023
00:52:33,250 --> 00:52:37,850
So it was actually affecting a human being's life and, in some

1024
00:52:38,060 --> 00:52:42,570
way, shape or form help them escape a to totalitarian regime.

1025
00:52:42,570 --> 00:52:46,250
And that's was so empowering and such a holy shit moment , for me.

1026
00:52:46,670 --> 00:52:53,210
If it, it can just help someone somewhere, , a little bit that it has this cascading

1027
00:52:53,220 --> 00:52:56,830
effects that affects absolutely everyone on the planet in the end, and it's

1028
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,870
just what an amazing time to be alive.

1029
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:02,290
What an amazing thing to be a part of.

1030
00:53:02,330 --> 00:53:04,460
It's just completely.

1031
00:53:04,950 --> 00:53:08,390
Takes over your view of yourself and your view of the world.

1032
00:53:08,540 --> 00:53:09,710
And it's just beautiful.

1033
00:53:09,810 --> 00:53:13,565
You see the flaws in the, traditional system, and that's tragic and everything.

1034
00:53:13,565 --> 00:53:16,655
But the hope that this instills in people, it's great.

1035
00:53:16,925 --> 00:53:21,475
And to your point about the two sides of the planet, let's not forget that.

1036
00:53:22,255 --> 00:53:26,815
All the poor people in the world and all the people below the poverty

1037
00:53:26,815 --> 00:53:29,915
line, they can all accept Bitcoin for their goods and services.

1038
00:53:30,565 --> 00:53:34,035
And that's where the real magic happens when you start accepting

1039
00:53:34,035 --> 00:53:35,265
it for your goods and services.

1040
00:53:35,735 --> 00:53:38,675
That's where the real freedom comes in, right?

1041
00:53:39,085 --> 00:53:40,165
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

1042
00:53:40,185 --> 00:53:43,435
If you see what's happening in, places like Nigeria, it's absolutely absolutely

1043
00:53:43,515 --> 00:53:45,185
mind blowing, how they're using it.

1044
00:53:45,635 --> 00:53:48,065
I didn't even know you could use Bitcoin without the internet.

1045
00:53:48,105 --> 00:53:49,135
I learned it from them.

1046
00:53:49,525 --> 00:53:52,145
When I found out that they can transact without the internet, I'm

1047
00:53:52,155 --> 00:53:53,665
like, hold on a second, really?

1048
00:53:54,085 --> 00:53:55,045
Then I looked into this.

1049
00:53:55,045 --> 00:53:56,555
I'm like, wow.

1050
00:53:56,605 --> 00:54:00,805
This is where, the need, like accentuates the functions and the

1051
00:54:00,805 --> 00:54:05,115
features and things that you've never thought, possible because you need them.

1052
00:54:05,575 --> 00:54:10,705
So when you say, do you think Bitcoin adoption is going to increase

1053
00:54:10,945 --> 00:54:11,985
the security and all that stuff?

1054
00:54:12,095 --> 00:54:15,835
I think absolutely it's going to do because once it becomes valuable and

1055
00:54:15,835 --> 00:54:21,845
becomes like a must have, there's going to be a much bigger army of individuals

1056
00:54:22,175 --> 00:54:24,325
that are going to stand to protect it.

1057
00:54:24,365 --> 00:54:27,345
It's not going to be left to a handful of speculative people

1058
00:54:27,445 --> 00:54:28,495
just to make money off of it.

1059
00:54:28,525 --> 00:54:33,075
No, this becomes, a lifeline, like the oxygen for life for a lot

1060
00:54:33,075 --> 00:54:38,915
of folks and There's going to be an army protecting anyone attempting

1061
00:54:39,665 --> 00:54:43,655
to do anything, to do something nefarious, to risk destroying it.

1062
00:54:43,795 --> 00:54:45,685
I'm 100 percent convinced of this.

1063
00:54:46,255 --> 00:54:50,325
And a hundred years from now, they will look back upon our generation and

1064
00:54:50,325 --> 00:54:54,805
possibly, hail us as the heroes, as, you know, came up with this and, had the

1065
00:54:54,805 --> 00:55:02,095
courage to stand up and put an end to the abuse that's been going on for decades.

1066
00:55:03,163 --> 00:55:04,383
since forever, really.

1067
00:55:04,383 --> 00:55:08,163
I mean, coin clipping has been around since thousands of years.

1068
00:55:08,553 --> 00:55:13,913
Uh, inflation has always been in every monetary system.

1069
00:55:13,923 --> 00:55:17,103
Money needs to have a cost, a production cost.

1070
00:55:17,103 --> 00:55:18,363
Otherwise, it's not money.

1071
00:55:18,413 --> 00:55:19,663
It's bullshit.

1072
00:55:20,563 --> 00:55:21,293
Absolutely.

1073
00:55:21,353 --> 00:55:22,043
Absolutely.

1074
00:55:22,043 --> 00:55:25,803
And even simpler than this, the mere notion that somebody can decide

1075
00:55:26,103 --> 00:55:30,933
how you live your life and how you spend your money, that on its own

1076
00:55:30,943 --> 00:55:35,483
must be completely destroyed and never allowed to exist again, ever.

1077
00:55:36,023 --> 00:55:37,873
It just doesn't make any sense to me

1078
00:55:38,913 --> 00:55:40,073
tell that to a lefty.

1079
00:55:40,423 --> 00:55:46,163
well, you know, obviously a lot of people will disagree with me on that point, but.

1080
00:55:46,803 --> 00:55:50,023
No, but it's such a, it's such a simple thing to understand when

1081
00:55:50,023 --> 00:55:51,143
you really think about it.

1082
00:55:51,223 --> 00:55:55,253
Why is it that other people can decide for you what to do

1083
00:55:55,263 --> 00:55:56,693
with your life and your money?

1084
00:55:56,743 --> 00:55:58,283
Because your money is your life.

1085
00:55:58,313 --> 00:56:01,823
It's supposed to represent the scarcity of your lifetime.

1086
00:56:02,063 --> 00:56:06,113
Your time and effort, your energy, is supposed to be represented by this number.

1087
00:56:06,633 --> 00:56:08,663
And when the number can be printed...

1088
00:56:09,063 --> 00:56:12,993
At will by some, like, it's cheaper to write the word dollar because I

1089
00:56:12,993 --> 00:56:17,563
have to press six keys instead of just pressing enter, which is the

1090
00:56:17,563 --> 00:56:19,503
cost of, of producing new dollars.

1091
00:56:19,803 --> 00:56:23,413
So the word dollar is more expensive than a dollar to produce.

1092
00:56:23,723 --> 00:56:24,063
absolutely,

1093
00:56:24,143 --> 00:56:25,673
that should tell you something.

1094
00:56:27,463 --> 00:56:33,563
absolutely, but the thing is people need to want not to be abused, , some

1095
00:56:33,563 --> 00:56:37,303
people just don't care and it just blows my mind when I see them react

1096
00:56:37,313 --> 00:56:40,813
that way, I try to frame it in a different way for some folks.

1097
00:56:40,813 --> 00:56:44,253
I'm like, if I came up to you every day and beat the shit out of

1098
00:56:44,253 --> 00:56:46,853
you, how long would you accept it?

1099
00:56:49,098 --> 00:56:51,878
Like, , I beat you up on Monday, you go home and you cry.

1100
00:56:51,918 --> 00:56:53,958
I beat you up on Tuesday, you go home and cry.

1101
00:56:54,248 --> 00:56:56,388
For how long are you going to sit there and let me beat you up?

1102
00:56:57,568 --> 00:57:00,358
Well, some people are sadomasochists, uh,

1103
00:57:00,618 --> 00:57:01,068
Okay.

1104
00:57:01,318 --> 00:57:01,968
Okay, fine.

1105
00:57:02,478 --> 00:57:04,768
But, but, but most people aren't right.

1106
00:57:05,098 --> 00:57:06,368
At some point, somebody is going

1107
00:57:06,503 --> 00:57:12,743
people, apparently most people are, I'd say, since they accept the fiat system.

1108
00:57:12,823 --> 00:57:16,603
Well, in the past two, three years, a lot of things have been very surprising,

1109
00:57:16,603 --> 00:57:18,483
but yeah, I guess maybe you're right.

1110
00:57:19,063 --> 00:57:19,803
Maybe you're right.

1111
00:57:19,973 --> 00:57:23,013
And hopefully there's a large amount of people that.

1112
00:57:23,418 --> 00:57:25,488
Stop doing this to make a difference.

1113
00:57:25,518 --> 00:57:28,808
Which I think we just need to get to maybe, I don't know what, 10, 15 percent

1114
00:57:28,838 --> 00:57:34,678
Bitcoin global adoption and the whole thing, just goes nuts after that.

1115
00:57:34,731 --> 00:57:37,821
It'll become so huge, as it is that.

1116
00:57:38,016 --> 00:57:41,636
There's nothing else out there that you want to transact with, you know?

1117
00:57:42,456 --> 00:57:46,316
once you're in it and once you're in these circles and you hang out

1118
00:57:46,356 --> 00:57:50,516
with other Bitcoiners and you see the other side, it becomes blatantly

1119
00:57:50,516 --> 00:57:52,186
obvious that how much better this is.

1120
00:57:52,786 --> 00:57:58,406
It's just like life with or without the internet, but on steroids.

1121
00:57:58,466 --> 00:58:00,466
I mean, it's, it's way bigger than that.

1122
00:58:00,756 --> 00:58:01,926
So yeah.

1123
00:58:02,746 --> 00:58:06,626
Luke, do you have any more questions for, for Tony before we wrap this up?

1124
00:58:07,606 --> 00:58:11,816
Yeah, I, I think, you've given us a great picture of, well, first of

1125
00:58:11,816 --> 00:58:14,106
all, yourself and the Bitcoin way.

1126
00:58:14,116 --> 00:58:17,216
And I just like to hear a little bit about the practical side.

1127
00:58:17,226 --> 00:58:21,546
What happens if someone contacts you and, books a call, uh,

1128
00:58:21,676 --> 00:58:22,686
walk us through the process?

1129
00:58:23,236 --> 00:58:23,516
sure.

1130
00:58:24,236 --> 00:58:27,266
, first of all, we always offer a 30 minute complimentary call.

1131
00:58:27,336 --> 00:58:30,246
It's the first 30 minutes are free just to get to know you, see

1132
00:58:30,246 --> 00:58:32,726
what you want, where you are in this journey, and what have you.

1133
00:58:33,296 --> 00:58:35,836
If, if someone, just to give you an example, someone has absolutely

1134
00:58:35,836 --> 00:58:39,006
nothing, we obviously start with, an educational part, , just to make sure

1135
00:58:39,006 --> 00:58:41,576
that they understand what it is that, they're getting into, what they're

1136
00:58:41,576 --> 00:58:44,796
buying, and it's not something that they're going to buy at x to sell at y.

1137
00:58:44,966 --> 00:58:48,476
It's not why we Bitcoin, there's way more value in this than that.

1138
00:58:49,056 --> 00:58:52,906
Then we get them into stage one is usually a cold wallet.

1139
00:58:52,976 --> 00:58:56,096
We get them set up and configured properly with a cold wallet and, fully air

1140
00:58:56,096 --> 00:59:00,126
gapped, on that sense that we move on to the node, set that up, connect the two

1141
00:59:00,126 --> 00:59:02,206
together, make sure everything's working.

1142
00:59:02,546 --> 00:59:04,956
Set up wallets properly with desktop mobile.

1143
00:59:06,276 --> 00:59:10,456
Once that's complete and understood, we can move on to purchasing no KYC Bitcoin.

1144
00:59:10,466 --> 00:59:13,296
We show them how to do it, because obviously that has its value

1145
00:59:13,296 --> 00:59:14,686
and merits for obvious reasons.

1146
00:59:15,386 --> 00:59:18,086
We also offer inheritance planning afterwards.

1147
00:59:18,606 --> 00:59:21,056
And if they have a business, we help them integrate Bitcoin

1148
00:59:21,056 --> 00:59:22,286
payments into that business.

1149
00:59:22,346 --> 00:59:23,526
And we take it from there.

1150
00:59:23,806 --> 00:59:27,446
But fundamentally, we want to make sure that everyone at the very

1151
00:59:27,446 --> 00:59:30,576
least has a cold wallet, air gapped.

1152
00:59:31,196 --> 00:59:35,456
Connected to a node, which is a must, because if you're not fully sovereign

1153
00:59:35,456 --> 00:59:38,426
or private, if you don't have that node, there's no way around it.

1154
00:59:38,946 --> 00:59:41,936
Without it, you're leaving fingerprints of anything Bitcoin

1155
00:59:41,966 --> 00:59:44,986
that you're doing on somebody else's server, on somebody else's node.

1156
00:59:45,006 --> 00:59:47,396
So what you have, what you buy, where you buy, when you do

1157
00:59:47,396 --> 00:59:49,576
it, there's a trace somewhere.

1158
00:59:49,576 --> 00:59:52,656
If you don't want this, You 100 percent need to know

1159
00:59:52,656 --> 00:59:53,766
there's no other way around it.

1160
00:59:54,679 --> 00:59:55,509
Yeah, excellent.

1161
00:59:55,539 --> 01:00:00,419
And, and so you basically take, your customers from, zero or

1162
01:00:00,419 --> 01:00:02,809
wherever they are to self sovereign.

1163
01:00:02,809 --> 01:00:03,519
That's the goal.

1164
01:00:03,819 --> 01:00:07,119
Yeah, the goal is 100 percent self custody.

1165
01:00:07,659 --> 01:00:11,949
And, sometimes people ask us, do we hold backup keys and all that stuff?

1166
01:00:12,029 --> 01:00:12,859
Right now, we don't.

1167
01:00:13,009 --> 01:00:13,819
We don't do this.

1168
01:00:14,209 --> 01:00:18,629
I want to make sure that you know how to become a sovereign individual.

1169
01:00:19,019 --> 01:00:22,059
I don't think anyone's too stupid to learn.

1170
01:00:22,499 --> 01:00:24,589
They just have to want to take the time.

1171
01:00:25,299 --> 01:00:31,189
To learn, and we spend a lot of time and are very patient in the process, by the

1172
01:00:31,189 --> 01:00:35,819
way, I can sit down with someone for many hours and , it wouldn't faze me one bit.

1173
01:00:36,219 --> 01:00:38,619
I've consulted folks for hours.

1174
01:00:39,084 --> 01:00:43,464
Eight hours a day, on the same person because, they weren't a technical person.

1175
01:00:43,944 --> 01:00:47,924
They had many questions, some of them, many would consider, Oh my

1176
01:00:47,924 --> 01:00:49,504
God, how can you put up with this?

1177
01:00:49,624 --> 01:00:50,094
It's okay.

1178
01:00:50,104 --> 01:00:52,214
Nobody's born knowing everything.

1179
01:00:52,954 --> 01:00:57,324
But at the end of the day, that individual is fully sovereign.

1180
01:00:57,404 --> 01:01:01,064
They know how to send, how to receive an air gapped mode,

1181
01:01:01,194 --> 01:01:03,224
fully secured, fully private.

1182
01:01:04,014 --> 01:01:05,474
And that for me is a win.

1183
01:01:07,135 --> 01:01:07,915
Excellent.

1184
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:13,460
Well, Tony, thank you very much for coming onto our show and, for all

1185
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:18,400
everyone listening, go to the bitcoin way.com to find out more, about, how

1186
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,260
to get in touch with Tony and his team.

1187
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,295
And, , hope to continue the conversation.

1188
01:01:23,745 --> 01:01:26,825
Absolutely, it was, thank you for having me, it was a great call.

1189
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:28,070
Likewise.

1190
01:01:28,070 --> 01:01:31,260
And, anything else you'd like to mention, any final thoughts anywhere else

1191
01:01:31,260 --> 01:01:32,950
you'd like to direct our listeners to?

1192
01:01:33,485 --> 01:01:36,365
Well, if anybody wants to find me, I'm very active on Twitter.

1193
01:01:36,415 --> 01:01:41,525
You can use my Twitter handle, the V4BTC, which stands for Victory for Bitcoin, or

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the BitcoinWay, obviously, the BitcoinWay Twitter handle, we're also very active

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there, the BitcoinWay underscore.

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So, if you have any questions with regards to Bitcoin self custody,

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security measures, best practices, tips, tricks, and all that stuff,

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Feel free to reach out anytime.

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Happy to help.

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Sounds great.

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thanks again for joining us, Tony, and looking forward to

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following everything you're up to and going on this journey with you.

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you very much.

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onwards and upwards.

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This has been the Freedom Footprint Show, thanks for listening.

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So what did you think of that episode with Tony?

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It was great to hear about his contribution to the Bitcoin

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space through the Bitcoin Way.

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What was your favorite moment?

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Let us know.

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Check out their details in the description.

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That's all for now, see you next time, and thanks for listening.