2025 Year in Review | Bitcoin Infinity Show #184

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Welcome to the Bitcoin Infinity Show. This is our year in review. So I'm here with none other than the splendiferous Luke DeWolf. How are you today, Luke?

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I'm great, Knut. Yes, our year in review. It's a little bit between Christmas and New Year's right now, and I think we'll get this out already next week.

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So we went through our year just before we started recording here in 2025.

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I was saying that 2025 felt like it was like three years in one, basically.

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Yeah, we've been busy.

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We've been busy for sure.

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I counted here 16 separate Bitcoin events during the year.

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So I think that's a personal high score, if you can call it that.

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More than one per month.

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Well, shall we go through it and I think talk about the highlights of the year and then a little bit about what we have coming up in 2026?

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Yes, for me, the year started in Miami, where I was at a friend's house for a New Year's Eve party.

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And that was all good fun.

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A lot of too much of everything, but we had a very good time.

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I was there. Yeah, I met Hodlonaut there, who I hadn't met in a couple of years.

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So that was really good to reconnect with him.

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And we realized we had a secret language.

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So we could run around at Sailor's Party and speak Scandinavian and say all sorts of weird shit and nobody would understand us.

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And that was all good fun.

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Yes, a bit childish, perhaps, but we had fun.

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Very good.

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Yes.

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And well, the funny thing is that was the 100k party, right?

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I mean, for all the talk of where the price is right now, I still feel like kicking around in the 80s, the 90s.

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I don't even really care.

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Like that's still way higher than it was four years ago, five years ago.

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You know what I mean?

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Yeah.

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And four years ago is when I went to Sailor's House the first time.

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And also with Daniel Prince, he was also at the 100K party.

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And back then we used to joke around that this is holy shit, this is really happening.

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And we sort of memed the whole 100K party into existence.

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And we were there at 42K for the first time.

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but now it was the actual 100k party so so yeah the meme it's like the living the meme meme because

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this one really came to fruition it it materialized in a way we wouldn't have imagined so all good fun

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no it's fantastic and i mean i think uh nothing but optimism i think for yeah the uh year ahead

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in terms of of how that goes but just funny that you're kicking it off with a with a 100k

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party. And then you were on the road quite a bit after that, right?

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Yeah, I don't remember. Did we do a lot of... We did a couple... No, we postponed the whole

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academy for a bit, right? Because of all my travels. I think that's what we did.

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Exactly. We started that in March. So yeah, I guess maybe we can just quickly say that we

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kicked off the Bitcoin Infinity Academy, which has been a really fun project.

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Yeah, fantastic. So we kicked it off with, we were planning on doing it for a long time, but it got postponed and got postponed for different reasons. But then we finally kicked it off in February, I believe.

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March.

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March. All right. So beginning of March, I guess. And with Sovereignty Through Mathematics. So that entire course is on our YouTube channel. And now also the second course on Bitcoin Independence Reimagined is also there because we walked through that entire book.

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two i don't think the last episode is released yet is it no no it's definitely released too

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okay it was released last week or something right so we're all done already couple of weeks

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time flies anyway the reason we didn't start that until march was that i was in colombia and el

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salvador in like from mid-january until uh like first week of february so i was in in the area for

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three weeks in the Americas.

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Bitcoin Medellin was fantastic.

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Colombia is such a beautiful country

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and what a cool town or city.

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Five million people in the middle of the

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mountains with perfect weather

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and just super cool people,

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super cool place. And we had a whole

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day of excursions

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around Colombia and

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it's just such a beautiful place.

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I'd love to come back to Colombia.

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After that, of course, El Salvador.

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First time in El Sonte for me,

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January and I spent about a week there I was there with my brother who also joined us on base for the

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Nevermind gig after Plan B Forums in Salvador which was the big one of course we I remember

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going to music stores with mass and buying guitars not knowing whether someone else would pay for

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them in the end or not but we needed them for the gig so we we we got some gear and we played

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and they tried to shut us down.

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So this was at one of the national museums

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and the Rocamodo was long.

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There was a lot of people who came up

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and did their thing.

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And it was finally time for Nevermind

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to do their whole thing,

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which at this time consisted of me, Samson,

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my brother and Mark from the Bitcoin Hotel.

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We started playing and we got to like two songs,

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but after that, they shut us down

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and they tried to shut us up

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because the Salvadorian authorities wouldn't let us play

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after 12 o'clock or after 1 o'clock or whatever it was.

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So I got pissed.

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Like, what is this bullshit?

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We haven't played two songs yet.

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And then they turned off my mic.

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So I had to scream to the audience,

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are you anarchists or not?

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You all know the lyrics to this one.

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And then we played Smells Like Tin Spirit.

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And it was in true rebel fashion,

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everyone just jumping around.

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So a lot of good fun there.

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And a great conference in general.

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A very nice hotel, the Sheraton Presidente in San Salvador.

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Beautiful place.

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Yeah.

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And I went back from San Salvador and wouldn't return until November.

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We'll get to that later.

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But I'm returning to San Salvador this January.

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So in about a month, I'll go back to San Salvador for the Plan B conference this year as well.

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Fantastic.

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I was going to say, let's maybe hold your impressions on El Salvador for the second one,

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because you have some more experiences since then, slightly more fresh.

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So let's hold that till the end here.

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And yeah, so I think after this batch of travels,

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the Academy was the next thing that we put out, basically.

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And then just a point of emphasis there,

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we have now got both of your books, Independence Reimagined

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and Sovereignty Through Mathematics, are now fully available on NOSTER for free.

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So you can go find them on NOSTER.

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We'll put the links in the description, I'm sure. And basically, it's only there. So information is meant to be free. And now we've got these commentary videos. Basically, if you're not familiar with what the Academy is, it's chapter by chapter through each of Knut's books. And I read them, we commentate on them. And it's all good fun. Learning a lot. And hopefully, you listener are getting something out of it as well.

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Yes, we have a lot of great back and forths there about the ideas in the books, and it's all good fun. And you were keeping busy while I was in Colombia and Medellin. For starters, you have your computer security fiat job, but in the Bitcoin and you're a father of a toddler, which is not the easiest job in the world either.

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but you being the tireless workhorse that you are you also did the praxeology edit with me we

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we re-edited the entire praxeology book first i rewrote it and added a couple of chapters and

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then we went through it together and it's now been rewritten and re-iterated into perfection

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and we released that later uh here this year released it for prague i believe what else what

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else did you do? Yeah, you worked for B2C Hell, of course, which is not the easiest thing in the

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world to organize a Bitcoin conference. So Luke was back in Helsinki with his fantastic team of

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Bitcoiners there trying to make the B2C Hell conference happen. And ever throughout the year,

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we got some new speakers, we got some new ideas for the thing. And that whole thing chugged along

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while we were doing the other things. Yeah, it was a bit of a crazy time. And I mean,

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that's why the beginning part of the year just feels like a blur. Like we had the, we did the

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Academy, we did Praxeology, which we were, we were wanting to get that out by Prague, I think,

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and some other, some other things. I mean, it was, it was an existing piece of work, but really we

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did overhaul it completely. And I mean, I say, I say we, of course, like you're, you're still the

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author on the masthead and everything. And we didn't do anything like inverse of clown world.

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that didn't get a promotion. But it was a lot of fun to re-edit it with you. And I think it turned

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out to be, the ideas were all there in the first edition, but now it's just fantastic book. And I

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mean, I would say at this point, if I were wanting to give someone like a primer into the Bitcoin,

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the monetary Bitcoin mindset, something like that, I would give them Praxeology and I would

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give them Clown World and tell them to read in that order, basically. Yes. And yeah, the primer

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to Austrian economics. That was always the purpose of the Praxeology book was to make a beginner's

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level, a condensed version of Mises' human action, basically, to get people to start thinking in terms

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of subjectivity and Praxeology. All good. Also to mention here and at the end of the show as well,

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maybe, is that there's a live Praxeology course coming in 2026 to Lugano. I'll be

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be giving a whole series of lectures there on the book or about the subject and the website

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will be up soon. I'll be promoting that whenever it comes. Very happy to do that. And yeah,

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there's a bunch of other things coming related to that too, but we'll get to those later.

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Yeah, fantastic. And then since you brought it up, yeah, BTC Hell was chugging along the

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entire year. Obviously, as it gets closer to the conference time, it started taking up more and more

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and more of my time. We never actually pinpointed when I stopped appearing in the Bitcoin Infinity

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show proper. It was sometime in the middle of the year, though, as far as I remember,

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it was just getting to be too much to be in the episodes and also editing the episodes and

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everything. I kept on editing everything. And so that was great. We had a short period of time

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where we tried out an external editor,

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but we brought that back to me after a little while.

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Yeah, I mean, BTZ Hell really started.

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I've told this story before,

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but the first conversation about this

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was when we were on Madeira for Bitcoin Atlantis

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and just a conversation with me and Remo,

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who ended up being the CEO of our,

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we call it 21 events, Osaka Uhtier, or Y.

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Of course you do.

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Yeah, no brainer name. I think others have had the name in other jurisdictions and all this. But anyway, no brainer. So yeah, we have this conversation. Why don't we try this in Finland? Could we do this in Helsinki?

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Absolutely.

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And so obviously that's, we're talking like two years ago, really.

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I mean, almost two years ago at this point, basically.

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But, you know, we kept on bringing together a team,

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figuring out who was interested in participating.

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I think we made the decision to actually go in August of 2024.

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We made the decision to, yeah.

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You and me and Remo had an adult people's meeting at Baltic Honeybad.

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You were like, are we doing this or not?

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And we decided that, yeah, hell yeah, we're doing the Jukkas Jervjeis-Pete-Perkele conference here next year.

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Exactly.

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And so since then, it was just, yeah, lots of work.

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And I mean, the team is fantastic.

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I think there's four or five of us that we couldn't lose any single one of us.

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Or at least we would have been sorely without needed resources and chicken with the head cut off and all this.

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So contributions from everyone on the team and so many other people in the Finnish community, the Nordics community.

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And I mean, it was fantastic to have so many great speakers come and support what we're doing out there.

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And we're going even bigger next year.

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So maybe we'll talk a little bit more about like how how the conference itself actually went. But yeah, I was I was busy, especially coming into kind of the three, four months leading up to conference time.

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It's funny, we attend a lot of conferences, obviously, and we tend to see a little bit more of the under the hood perspective than maybe even some other speakers would.

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We tend to get involved with the organizers and do a little bit extra, mostly through the books, right?

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Like, for example, in Prague, these last few years, we've been involved with the book booth at Prague for various ways.

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So we sort of know the ins and outs of how the speaker experience is and we know the ins and outs of how the sponsor and booth experience is right But there nothing comparing to trying to organize one of these things yourself So I got immense respect for everyone who puts on a Bitcoin conference no matter how big

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no matter how small, and it's a ton of work. So I empathize a lot, but it's super rewarding.

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So it's the thing I'm most proud of doing in Bitcoin. And sorry, Knut.

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yeah no but rightfully so it was a spectacular event i don't think writing a book uh is comparable

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to organizing a conference like of course organizing a conference is more work work yeah

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but yeah as the year went on in march i continued my travels i thought maybe san salvador wasn't

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too far away so i went to sydney for the second time to the fantastic bitcoin alive conference

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Bitcoin is absolutely alive in Australia.

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A fantastic trip.

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Got to see JP's fantastic old technology collection at his apartment.

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That was a trip in itself.

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The conference was great.

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About the same size as the two years before.

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A great little community there.

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Some people had trouble getting there because of a hurricane up in, where's my?

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Probably Brisbane, I think.

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Brisbane, yeah.

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Probably.

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but overall a fantastic experience i spent uh about a week there sydney is great i had this

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epiphany that um staring out at the pacific ocean thinking there's half a planet of water there

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and if i turn around and do 100 180 here there's a great big metropolitan area with rainbow flags

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and whatnot here.

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And then five hours flight time

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of continent full of sand

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and animals who want to kill me.

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So Australia is a strange place for sure.

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But yeah, I had a great time there.

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And then we went back

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and started doing more academy stuff

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and started planning a bit more

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for BTC Hell.

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We started working on the schedule

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and all of that.

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What happened after that?

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Oh, yeah.

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Well, I think in the run-up,

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so you also went to the Ireland conference

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in May, Dublin.

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Yeah, nothing in April.

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I'm going to try to make it to that one this year.

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Yeah, I went to Dublin as a great conference.

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It's going to be even better next year

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because it's going to be a four-day conference

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instead of a two-day conference.

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Great, everything great with it.

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One of those smaller, cozier things.

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And we got to see the Guinness Brewery

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in downtown Dublin.

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That was interesting too.

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I had maybe one or two Guinness too many in Dublin,

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but all enjoyable.

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And a very nice event.

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where we were staying in the hotel the event was at.

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So that's always convenient to have the conference

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in the same venue that you're staying in.

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All good.

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And a lot of great people in Ireland,

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a lot of people that don't travel that much,

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but they like Ireland so much, so they stay there.

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But there is a thriving Bitcoin community there for sure.

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So we'll see Lara Parr and everyone else there in 2026.

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Looking forward to seeing that again.

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And then in June, of course, I went to Logano for the first time and had the Praxeology Guest Star Lecture, which is just a, they have, during the Plan B Business School, there's around 12 or 15 Guest Stars lecturers that go to Logano to give a lecture about this and that.

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And my job was to talk about Praxeology and Austrian economics.

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So I did that and then I went back and then our big travel thing started.

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Started off with Prague in the middle of June and we had a lot to do in Prague this year, didn't we, Luke?

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Yeah, absolutely. I mean, we basically ran their book booth, which was interesting.

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Definitely an interesting choice considering we were so busy with a lot of other things.

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But I mean, great fun. We'd been involved with the book booths the previous couple of years as well.

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So nothing totally new, but definitely it was an interesting challenge, sort of juggling all the other authors and last minute requests and this and that.

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And then, of course, in the middle of all of it, we had various speaking engagements and all this.

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I was on stage for the first time in Prague moderating a couple of panels.

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So that was a lot of fun.

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Yeah, like Prague is fantastic.

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It's the big conference in Europe.

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And I certainly intend to go every year just because it's one of those things.

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I've started to have this kind of thing.

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Prague and Riga and Lugano are all starting to feel like parts of my life.

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You know what I mean?

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Like going every year over three years, something like that, it starts to be like, yeah, I know this place.

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I know that place.

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I know how the public transport works in Prague now, for example, and I know where to walk in Riga to get between the conference venue and the old town and everything the fastest way.

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And it's just, yes, it's nice.

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It's nice to see Bitcoiners there.

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And we talk about this traveling circus and this kind of like going to all of these conferences and you see all the same people there and blah, blah, blah.

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But it's great.

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It's always good to kind of be there and represent.

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And I think those of us who are a little more visible in the community and involved with whether it's education or other contributions to Bitcoin on the technical side or whatever it is, it's just good to show up to these things and show people that this is something that is worth considering, worth considering picking up.

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And yeah, so love Prague, love the Prague conference.

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And I mean, it's the big one in Europe.

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I think there's other conferences that are at least try to be similar in size in Europe,

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but Prague has got something special for sure.

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Absolutely.

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And it's refreshingly free from shit corners.

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I mean, I got to debate Peter Todd.

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That's one of the things I did in Prague.

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So yeah.

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And after Prague, I was there with my family.

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I brought my family for the first time, thinking of doing that again.

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And they went back to Sweden.

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You went to Finland for a short time and then to Canada, I think.

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Just to pick up my dog.

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Yeah, to pick up the dog.

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And I went straight to Naples, which was a side thing between Prague and Calgary.

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So Naples, Florida, just for those who might think you meant Italy.

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No, I didn't go to Italy.

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I went to Naples, Florida and had a great time there with the guys from Cypherpunk,

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who made a whole series about the Everything Divided by 21 Million book. So if you check them

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out, the Cypherpunk is the name of the, so Cypherpunk apostrophe D, that's their Twitter name.

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And the whole series can be found there and on YouTube. Very interesting and very cool place,

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Naples, great to meet a lot of Bitcoiners there. This was a very busy month. I did an interview

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at Breedlove's house with Eric Stacks on the way over there. And I did an interview with Cedric

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Youngelman on the way up to Calgary. He was staying a couple of miles north of Sarasosa.

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What's the name of the place? Saragossa? I don't even remember. Very beautiful though.

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And Zed is always nice.

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And then I flew up to Calgary, where you were already waiting.

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And we stayed at your mother-in-law's house.

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A beautiful experience, a beautiful week in Canada.

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Or no, no, no, in Alberta, I should say.

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The People's Republic of Alberta, a very beautiful place.

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Calgary is super cool.

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The Bull Bitcoin people were there.

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A lot of cool base.

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There's a lot of based Canadian Bitcoiners, as you know.

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And yeah, we had a great time there.

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yeah I mean it was actually my first time back in Calgary for almost four years and so that was

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that was quite the thing for me I mean it was a combination of being COVID times and we we have

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tons of people family and everything wanting to visit us in Finland and everything and it just

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never happened that I actually got back there but yeah it was a almost a month back in in Calgary

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since moving to Finland and so that was that was quite something and yeah it was it was great that

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I got to show you my hometown. I'm not born in Calgary, but I've been there since I was four

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years old. So pretty much. And yeah, I consider myself Albertan through and through as opposed to

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Canadian, definitely. And well, yeah, lots of identity issues for sure. I wish Alberta

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nothing but the best. And I think independence is the right thing for Alberta. Many Bitcoiners in

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the area also agree with that sentiment. I think, well, my journey into Bitcoin pretty much started

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by being disillusioned at the Canadian federal government doing things just to hurt the industries

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in Alberta and to extract more money from that part of the country and taking it into other

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places. And definitely that started sowing the seeds for my distrusting government and

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wondering what the heck was up with this inflation thing and all that. It still took me a few more

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years to finally figure that out. And then the real irony is that I went and left Canada. I left

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Alberta, Calgary, before finding out about the fantastic community that's actually there, right?

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And so I get embedded in this community in Finland and help put on a conference in Helsinki

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and everything. Meanwhile, there's this established community back where I was before with a lot of

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awesome people. So Dave Bradley is the guy who puts on the Bitcoin rodeo every year.

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That's a fantastic conference. If I'm going back to Calgary.

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That's the one we went to, by the way.

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Exactly. Yeah. So if I'm going back to Calgary, I think trying to make it around Bitcoin rodeo is

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just just the thing to do basically because why not yeah yeah and i had the best steak i ever had

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in my life i think fucking awesome they promised and and delivered i was i was uh really really uh

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i wasn't surprised exactly but it was it was a high claim that it would be the best steak you

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ever had and yeah they had these i think they were basically alberta wagyu hybrid tenderloins

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yeah it's a hybrid between some mangos and wagyu thing there and fantastic stuff it's definitely

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the thing that i miss the most here in in finland is the is the availability and the quality of the

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the beef although although i will say that uh since btc hell my beef connection has has improved

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significantly one of the best things to come out of btc hell was the orange pilling and emergence

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of the proprietor of Koki Tila,

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which home space is a decent translation for that.

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But he's a butcher and they produce all of these,

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what is called nose to tail, like use the entire cow.

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So they've got all of the cool organs and stuff like that.

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But just great grass-fed beef, 100% local.

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Fantastic.

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From farms throughout Finland.

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And I mean, that's one of the things I like about here

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is that you can get a local version of everything.

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It might cost a little bit more, but it already costs a fair bit anyway.

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And so, I mean, I won't say 100% that the beef I'm getting here now is on the same level as Alberta beef,

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but it's at least close enough that I don't know the difference except when I'm in Alberta again.

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So that was pretty cool.

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And they have these Bitcoin beef bits, which is just awesome.

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It's this dried beef snack that's dried with Bitcoin miners.

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And honestly, it's just beef and salt.

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like 93 grams of protein per 100 grams like it's it's fantastic it's fantastic and it's just i don't

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know it's just it's just these little things that that would never have happened if you don't if

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you don't connect with people and get it all together right like christos was contacted by

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uho like three weeks before btc hell and they they pulled it all together to create this product uh

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in three weeks uh fantastic so so just just all this all this cool stuff but yeah it was nice to

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nice to bring you over to Calgary. And I felt like I didn't really get a real vacation at all.

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I made my three or so weeks there, three and a half, because it was the one Bitcoin conference,

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all of this preparation work for BTC Hell. I had to send all of these emails and make sure everyone

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was good for their hotel bookings and this and that. And I had to do that in between, you know,

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spending time with the family, which is what I was supposed to be doing. And the first time back in

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four years is like, and trying to see everyone you want to in the span of three weeks, it just,

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Yeah.

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That was quite the time.

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It was a vacation that was not a vacation, for sure.

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So out of 100%, how many percent Canadian, Albertan, Scandinavian, and Finn are you?

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80 Finn, 20 Albertan.

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That's it.

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All right.

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So not Scandinavian, not Canadian.

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No.

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That's great.

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Well, Finland isn't in Scandinavia.

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It's in the Nordics.

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Well, in the Nordic, then.

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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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Finland is definitely in Scandinavia.

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It's actually a part of Sweden.

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I don't buy those fucking borders.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Something like that.

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No, no, no.

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But, well, I identify more with Finland and I appreciate living here very much.

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People accept me for who I am.

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So I know I'm not from here originally and I'm not, you know, I'm not, I don't pass for a native speaker usually.

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But almost.

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Almost.

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And I love it here Plan to stay It would take the world really falling apart to get us to leave I think So I identify more with Finland at this point But I identify more as maybe a Bitcoiner and like a citizen of the world who just happens to get to live in Finland

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Yeah, and it didn't take the world to get me to come to Finland because we're missing one thing.

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I went to Helsinki in late May, beginning of June, right?

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I don't even remember when.

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Yeah, we had a little party and you were able to make it over for the weekend.

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It was awesome.

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It was awesome.

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It was the first time I got to see the pop-up store and everything.

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So there's so much happening.

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It's just ridiculous.

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We got to practice our set for Prague, which didn't end up even happening, which was hilarious.

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yeah yeah thank god i didn't have to do fucking rock and motor there and and i mean too much of

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the other stuff it was it was just cool we got to go see the little practice space that uh me and

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marty have that uh you know play uh play rock and metal together yeah it's always great seeing marty

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and the other finnish community too both for that matter it's a base bunch for sure you got to see

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our pop-up store which has turned into not it's not really a pop-up anymore we're kind of permanently

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there. And it's turned into more of like a co-working space now. Very nice to have it.

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There's a, there's an orange glowing light on this thoroughfare into Helsinki. And, and now that I,

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I didn't use to have a car, but now I, now I drive more. And yeah, this is like one of the

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main ways into the city from the various angles and you can't miss it. You can't miss the-

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Follow the orange glowing light. That's all you got to do.

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Yeah. So that was, that was really cool.

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Yes, after Naples, I went back to, no, I went to Sweden and stayed, as I usually do, stayed in Sweden over the summer.

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You stayed in Alberta for a while and came back like a month after me, I think.

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This was a very necessary break for us, I think.

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We had a little break between sovereignty through mathematics and independence reimagined for the academy that summer.

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We had done most of the interviews back in May, I think, and June.

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So we had a long backlog during the summer.

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It's hard for us to record properly during the summer.

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I mean, I don't have my office slash studio thing here.

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It's a bit harder to do these things on the fly.

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But yeah, after some time in Sweden, I had to leave again for Lugano for the business school week,

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which is the 21 top students for that online course

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during the rest of the year

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get to go to Lugano and stay for a week

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and see a lot of guest lectures.

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I held two lectures there

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and a lot of other great people.

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Preston Pysh, Alan Farrington, Efrat Fenningson

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and a bunch of other, Max Kaiden,

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a bunch of good people there.

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And we had a great time

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as we always do in Lugano. After that, I went back to Sweden again. You were still in Canada,

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I think. I came back in, I think, by July, I was back. Yeah. Or sometime in the middle of July or

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something like that. Yeah. Yeah. And I got to bring my son and my wife to Lugano. And that was

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great too. We went on excursions up the mountains next to it. And yeah, it's a beautiful place.

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Absolutely. Lugano is stunning, as always. And after that, of course, after some time back in

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in sweden and for you in finland we went to baltic honey badger where we did have a an impromptu

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rockamoto that was fun we were in some industrial area of this baltic country always fun and mass

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had organized the whole thing and in this cool disco slash nightclub slash um the rock venue thing

435
00:31:37,496 --> 00:31:44,396
we had a very small stage and a drummer that just showed up and we i don't think we've ever done

436
00:31:44,396 --> 00:31:46,516
such a masturbatory gig,

437
00:31:46,636 --> 00:31:47,976
but it was all good fun.

438
00:31:48,136 --> 00:31:49,236
Crammed little room.

439
00:31:49,716 --> 00:31:51,256
We were sweaty as fuck afterwards,

440
00:31:51,795 --> 00:31:52,676
but all good fun.

441
00:31:53,136 --> 00:31:56,096
And yeah, Baltic Hunting Badger was great as usual.

442
00:31:58,216 --> 00:32:00,256
They're supposedly skipping a year.

443
00:32:00,396 --> 00:32:01,856
That's at least what we've been told,

444
00:32:01,996 --> 00:32:03,776
but I'd never believe them

445
00:32:03,776 --> 00:32:06,096
until it actually happens.

446
00:32:07,035 --> 00:32:09,116
No, no, I mean, Riga is fantastic.

447
00:32:09,396 --> 00:32:12,636
I mean, Riga is huge for both of us

448
00:32:12,636 --> 00:32:13,876
for lots of different reasons.

449
00:32:13,876 --> 00:32:19,236
you because that was your coming out into the Bitcoin world back in 2019, right? But it also

450
00:32:19,236 --> 00:32:25,856
was mine. That was my first conference in 2022. And it brings back a lot of memories. It's a great

451
00:32:25,856 --> 00:32:31,696
conference, great people, great side events, great everything. And I got to see you shitfaced on

452
00:32:31,696 --> 00:32:38,716
Absinthe. That was also a fun experience. Yeah. Thanks, Anna and Marcy for teeing me up for that

453
00:32:38,716 --> 00:32:40,976
and I didn't know exactly what I was getting into,

454
00:32:41,156 --> 00:32:45,496
but yeah, they do a thing where they pick a few lucky people

455
00:32:45,496 --> 00:32:49,236
to get absolutely wasted and have some fun.

456
00:32:49,376 --> 00:32:52,096
That's one of the only parts of that conference that isn't recorded.

457
00:32:52,436 --> 00:32:55,336
Actually, they don't record the cypherpunk stage, I think they call it either.

458
00:32:55,496 --> 00:32:56,276
Yeah, the privacy stage.

459
00:32:56,876 --> 00:32:58,176
Privacy, yeah, yeah, yeah.

460
00:32:58,295 --> 00:33:01,216
I mean, these guys are just fantastic, though,

461
00:33:01,236 --> 00:33:05,295
in terms of like tons of great work on privacy development.

462
00:33:05,295 --> 00:33:09,295
It's one of those conferences where it's just kind of, it's pure signal 100%.

463
00:33:09,956 --> 00:33:12,076
And it's the OG's OG conference.

464
00:33:12,396 --> 00:33:13,836
Like, it's fantastic.

465
00:33:14,456 --> 00:33:15,676
And we always have a good time.

466
00:33:15,776 --> 00:33:18,055
And also, this was sort of the warm up to B2C.

467
00:33:18,156 --> 00:33:25,236
Hell, we could afford to let loose a bit more in Riga, I guess, before the big one, which was, of course, Helsinki.

468
00:33:25,636 --> 00:33:30,996
And yeah, we had about five days before the conference started, or four days, maybe.

469
00:33:31,216 --> 00:33:32,096
Busy days, though.

470
00:33:32,096 --> 00:33:37,156
yeah yeah well and i mean i i think that the certain thing with with honey badgers it was

471
00:33:37,156 --> 00:33:45,236
it was coincidental that they put the date uh for honey badger a week before btc hell btc hell

472
00:33:45,236 --> 00:33:51,416
selected uh we selected our date specifically to try to avoid the dates that bought baltic honey

473
00:33:51,416 --> 00:33:57,356
badger has been in the past right uh but then they go in and pick the week before which was

474
00:33:57,356 --> 00:33:59,656
like a month earlier than they'd ever done before.

475
00:33:59,836 --> 00:34:01,416
But it worked out fantastically

476
00:34:01,416 --> 00:34:04,956
because I think there were 30 or 40 speakers

477
00:34:04,956 --> 00:34:06,116
that did both conferences.

478
00:34:06,535 --> 00:34:08,796
And so it made total sense to just go there.

479
00:34:08,796 --> 00:34:10,376
And a whole bunch of attendees too

480
00:34:10,376 --> 00:34:13,016
that just decided on the spot in Riga

481
00:34:13,016 --> 00:34:15,916
to just why not come to Helsinki next week.

482
00:34:16,135 --> 00:34:16,736
Yeah, exactly.

483
00:34:16,856 --> 00:34:18,516
If you weren't doing anything already,

484
00:34:18,736 --> 00:34:19,516
you're in the neighborhood.

485
00:34:19,635 --> 00:34:22,115
It's like a 45 minute flight from Riga to Helsinki.

486
00:34:22,276 --> 00:34:23,135
So it's great.

487
00:34:23,236 --> 00:34:25,296
I know a bunch of people even who went up through Estonia

488
00:34:25,296 --> 00:34:29,956
and took a ferry and all this, which is a quintessential Finnish experience.

489
00:34:30,296 --> 00:34:32,135
It's something I recommend.

490
00:34:32,315 --> 00:34:36,096
I do it for fun, you know, a few times a year, the trip to Estonia and back.

491
00:34:36,815 --> 00:34:42,236
But I mean, by a certain point, a lot of things are already in motion.

492
00:34:42,876 --> 00:34:46,196
It's kind of like with two weeks left, there isn't a lot to do anymore

493
00:34:46,196 --> 00:34:48,876
if you've really been on it, right?

494
00:34:49,216 --> 00:34:52,436
It's just that the event has to happen now.

495
00:34:52,436 --> 00:34:54,276
And that's, of course, a ton of work.

496
00:34:54,276 --> 00:34:57,315
But there's also not anything you can really do about it either.

497
00:34:57,536 --> 00:35:05,356
You just have to let the final tickets roll in and be ready to help out any last details.

498
00:35:05,916 --> 00:35:07,256
We had a great time.

499
00:35:07,456 --> 00:35:13,115
I mean, the conference itself, it went off without any major issues, for sure.

500
00:35:13,236 --> 00:35:14,315
The venue was fantastic.

501
00:35:14,516 --> 00:35:15,996
The weather was great the whole time.

502
00:35:16,956 --> 00:35:18,155
So, yeah, I don't know.

503
00:35:18,296 --> 00:35:19,135
BTC Hell, man.

504
00:35:20,016 --> 00:35:21,776
No, BTC Hell was absolutely awesome.

505
00:35:21,776 --> 00:35:27,936
and we did probably the best rock and moto gig we ever did with actual proper musicians in it

506
00:35:27,936 --> 00:35:34,016
yeah and then we're not gonna we're not gonna do it like that next time but uh definitely we we had

507
00:35:34,016 --> 00:35:38,256
a we had a great time like for example the the higher low if you've ever seen him around at the

508
00:35:38,256 --> 00:35:42,655
conferences he usually plays with just an acoustic guitar but he actually he's from finland and and

509
00:35:42,655 --> 00:35:49,216
and has a has a band here and so he came with his band and uh we had a we had a cover band that uh

510
00:35:49,216 --> 00:35:51,335
that a friend of mine is the singer for.

511
00:35:51,476 --> 00:35:53,315
And they played a couple of sets

512
00:35:53,315 --> 00:35:57,536
and we had a couple of sets of our various bands,

513
00:35:57,716 --> 00:36:00,456
nevermind in partial form as well.

514
00:36:00,776 --> 00:36:03,416
And yeah, it was a lot of fun.

515
00:36:03,476 --> 00:36:04,236
It was a lot of fun,

516
00:36:04,376 --> 00:36:07,936
but it definitely, it was a bit much, the Rockamoto.

517
00:36:08,036 --> 00:36:09,536
I think next year we do it a little differently.

518
00:36:09,835 --> 00:36:13,476
Yeah, I mean, the real gig that people shouldn't have missed

519
00:36:13,476 --> 00:36:16,356
is you and I singing one song each

520
00:36:16,356 --> 00:36:18,536
at the karaoke bar in the middle of the night,

521
00:36:18,536 --> 00:36:20,335
like the day after the conference.

522
00:36:21,396 --> 00:36:22,856
Yeah, that was an experience.

523
00:36:23,436 --> 00:36:26,776
It took you to like the tiniest hole in the wall karaoke bar,

524
00:36:26,876 --> 00:36:28,675
the first place that I did Finnish karaoke.

525
00:36:28,916 --> 00:36:30,996
And I mean, Finnish people love their karaoke.

526
00:36:31,815 --> 00:36:38,436
Yeah, we had a delightful time to kind of end off the week.

527
00:36:38,835 --> 00:36:41,476
And yeah, so many great people coming to Finland,

528
00:36:41,635 --> 00:36:42,476
seeing what we're doing.

529
00:36:42,716 --> 00:36:45,896
There's already been a lot coming out afterwards,

530
00:36:45,896 --> 00:36:51,076
Like Helsinki, Finland, Finland is really a hotbed for Bitcoin mining.

531
00:36:51,315 --> 00:36:57,416
Like really, it's the place in Europe that just has a ton of Bitcoin mining projects coming on all the time.

532
00:36:57,516 --> 00:37:04,776
Mostly because the heat reuse use case, there's these district heating systems in virtually every municipality in Finland.

533
00:37:05,175 --> 00:37:06,096
And they need heat.

534
00:37:06,216 --> 00:37:07,756
They need to make heat somehow.

535
00:37:08,036 --> 00:37:11,276
And usually they just burn stuff for their heat.

536
00:37:11,416 --> 00:37:13,635
But you can just use Bitcoin miners instead.

537
00:37:13,635 --> 00:37:19,716
and yeah there's there's just there's just a lot of exciting stuff going on and a lot of a lot of

538
00:37:19,716 --> 00:37:27,115
great work going on with mining and all this very exciting and next year we're we're aiming for a

539
00:37:27,115 --> 00:37:31,655
bit bit of a bigger crowd we can't be in the same venue because they just didn't have dates that

540
00:37:31,655 --> 00:37:39,155
worked for us anymore but we're in a slightly bigger place like in my view it's the it's the

541
00:37:39,155 --> 00:37:46,036
venue that I always wanted us to be in. It's this cable factory, it's called. And it's right on the

542
00:37:46,036 --> 00:37:53,716
sea. And it's just this fantastic old industrial building. And it's great for conferences. I've

543
00:37:53,716 --> 00:37:58,635
been in a bunch of events there. And it's a lot of fun. We're going to have a great time. And

544
00:37:58,635 --> 00:38:05,175
yeah, really just looking to continue the momentum and growing the adoption in Finland and the

545
00:38:05,175 --> 00:38:10,916
Nordics, we have a big presence from Scandinavia, from the Scandinavian countries, Scandinavian

546
00:38:10,916 --> 00:38:11,315
speakers.

547
00:38:11,456 --> 00:38:16,216
I think we'll even do at least a half day of Scandinavian language content, Swedish and

548
00:38:16,216 --> 00:38:16,596
Norwegian.

549
00:38:16,956 --> 00:38:20,856
Danish, probably not, because no one can understand Danish, not even the Danes.

550
00:38:21,476 --> 00:38:24,896
But Swedish and Norwegian, I think, is acceptable.

551
00:38:24,896 --> 00:38:29,936
Yeah, but if you understand Swedish and Norwegian, then you understand Danish and

552
00:38:29,936 --> 00:38:30,135
Danish.

553
00:38:30,815 --> 00:38:32,516
It's not a problem.

554
00:38:33,296 --> 00:38:33,856
Right.

555
00:38:33,856 --> 00:38:40,596
something like that. Yes. After August, I mean, I sort of said that it felt like three

556
00:38:40,596 --> 00:38:47,576
separate years. I kind of, up until when we finished the Praxeology book in the first academy,

557
00:38:47,736 --> 00:38:54,236
that felt like one little era. Then it was focusing on BTC hell for me and all of these

558
00:38:54,236 --> 00:39:00,076
conferences and all this craziness. And then September and onwards, it's been a little calmer,

559
00:39:00,076 --> 00:39:03,056
but also getting stuff done, right?

560
00:39:03,936 --> 00:39:04,615
Yeah, absolutely.

561
00:39:04,776 --> 00:39:09,016
We had one more run of European tour thingy.

562
00:39:09,175 --> 00:39:11,155
I went to Sofia, Prague, and Lugano.

563
00:39:11,276 --> 00:39:12,756
You went to Sofia and Lugano.

564
00:39:12,876 --> 00:39:14,416
You skipped Prague in between.

565
00:39:15,655 --> 00:39:18,815
Yeah, so Sofia, Bulgaria, my second time and your first time

566
00:39:18,815 --> 00:39:22,476
at the Bulgarian Bitcoin Conference, a great conference.

567
00:39:24,716 --> 00:39:29,096
A lot of cool people, cool venue, great food in Bulgaria.

568
00:39:29,096 --> 00:39:30,896
I always like coming there.

569
00:39:31,436 --> 00:39:34,815
And we got to see their new Bitcoin hub thingy.

570
00:39:35,796 --> 00:39:36,916
Cool place.

571
00:39:37,655 --> 00:39:38,476
Absolutely great.

572
00:39:39,476 --> 00:39:51,356
After that, I did a small trip to Prague to see Trezor premiered their new hardware wallet with a new secure element and all of that.

573
00:39:51,736 --> 00:39:52,916
And that was all good fun.

574
00:39:53,936 --> 00:39:57,056
A great event, laser shows and whatnot.

575
00:39:57,056 --> 00:40:03,996
and yeah I have a ton of friends in Prague and I got to see them and hang out and that was all

576
00:40:03,996 --> 00:40:11,736
very well and good and cool and then we went to Lugano for the Plan B forum where we

577
00:40:11,736 --> 00:40:19,635
signed books and played rock and roll and spoke and moderated panels on during the event

578
00:40:19,635 --> 00:40:25,615
I was on a panel with Seyfeddin and Rahim about Austrian economics that was very all good fun

579
00:40:25,615 --> 00:40:28,615
And then we did the Rocamoto gig, which was great.

580
00:40:28,756 --> 00:40:34,936
We had the final lineup of Nevermind, which is you, me, Samson, and Marty Malmi on drums.

581
00:40:35,135 --> 00:40:39,516
We did a little rehearsal thing in the park outside the venue in the middle of the day.

582
00:40:39,756 --> 00:40:41,076
And that was good fun.

583
00:40:41,296 --> 00:40:43,196
And then had a great gig.

584
00:40:43,456 --> 00:40:47,276
Like the mayor of Lugano is our biggest fan.

585
00:40:47,335 --> 00:40:48,856
And he introduced us this year.

586
00:40:49,356 --> 00:40:52,856
And he was also in the mosh pit, as usual, doing his thing.

587
00:40:53,276 --> 00:40:55,135
It was about 2,000 people in the tent.

588
00:40:55,135 --> 00:40:56,596
It was all good fun.

589
00:40:57,175 --> 00:41:01,256
And after the gig, I promised myself to be a good boy and go to bed.

590
00:41:01,516 --> 00:41:10,216
So I went to bed around half past 12 or something or one-ish because we had to do a live Bitcoin

591
00:41:10,216 --> 00:41:15,216
Infinity Academy about the one-shot principle at eight o'clock in the morning the day after.

592
00:41:15,416 --> 00:41:19,155
So I went to bed, but I couldn't fall asleep until like three or four o'clock in the morning

593
00:41:19,155 --> 00:41:21,036
because of all the adrenaline from the show.

594
00:41:21,135 --> 00:41:22,155
So it didn't matter.

595
00:41:22,716 --> 00:41:27,236
But we got up and we did the thing on a side stage there in the tent.

596
00:41:27,615 --> 00:41:31,696
And then I think our responsibilities ended somewhere around there.

597
00:41:31,696 --> 00:41:48,343
I did an interview with Nico Simply Bitcoin as well What else did we do in Lugano that time around no that was pretty comprehensive but yeah celebrate my birthday absolutely exactly a nice uh nice dinner to cap it all off yeah

598
00:41:48,343 --> 00:41:53,143
lugano was great uh this time i brought i brought my family on the whole trip so we went to bulgaria

599
00:41:53,143 --> 00:41:59,163
and then we we just stayed a little longer in bulgaria and uh took a slower route to uh to lugano

600
00:41:59,163 --> 00:42:01,643
than your hop over in Prague.

601
00:42:02,263 --> 00:42:07,103
But yeah, yeah, like always great to get to travel to new places.

602
00:42:07,603 --> 00:42:10,544
And Lugano had fantastic weather for the first time.

603
00:42:10,763 --> 00:42:14,103
The Plan B Forum has had crap weather the two years previously.

604
00:42:14,263 --> 00:42:17,883
It was just sunny and yeah, really fantastic out.

605
00:42:18,044 --> 00:42:20,243
Yeah, love Lugano, love everything going on there.

606
00:42:20,363 --> 00:42:23,243
Love Switzerland, love getting back there whenever possible.

607
00:42:23,243 --> 00:42:26,523
And so, yeah, I think at least the Plan B Forum,

608
00:42:26,743 --> 00:42:29,103
you'll be able to catch us there, no doubt about it.

609
00:42:29,163 --> 00:42:36,463
Yeah, next opportunity, of course, to see me is the Plan B Forum San Salvador, as we mentioned before.

610
00:42:36,583 --> 00:42:40,383
Speaking of, I did one final conference before I was done.

611
00:42:40,443 --> 00:42:41,943
Oh no, two conferences, actually.

612
00:42:42,544 --> 00:42:53,883
And in San Salvador, the first one being the Fantastic Bitcoin Historical, which was the presidential conference in the actual presidential national palace of San Salvador.

613
00:42:53,883 --> 00:42:57,863
The most beautiful venue I've ever been to, like by far.

614
00:42:57,863 --> 00:43:01,523
An actual palace and a great conference.

615
00:43:01,723 --> 00:43:07,663
They had all the talks translated into Spanish on great big screens outside of the palace.

616
00:43:07,903 --> 00:43:14,183
And there's a big public party going on outside at Centro Historico in San Salvador.

617
00:43:14,663 --> 00:43:17,503
Also after that, just the two days.

618
00:43:17,703 --> 00:43:19,583
So Historico went on for two days.

619
00:43:19,963 --> 00:43:25,343
And the two days after that, there was the lovely Adopting Bitcoin conference,

620
00:43:25,343 --> 00:43:27,343
which is much more grassroots.

621
00:43:27,863 --> 00:43:48,883
I love the vibe there. It's a very merchant-y vibe. A lot of booths selling coffee and steak and T-shirts and whatnot. All very good. I had a lot of good conversations there. I think I did eight interviews or something in total in San Salvador, plus two pods.

622
00:43:48,883 --> 00:43:51,443
I was in the national paper twice.

623
00:43:52,023 --> 00:43:55,503
So it was a weird week with a lot of stuff.

624
00:43:55,683 --> 00:43:58,843
And I had a gig in playing acoustic guitar in El Santa.

625
00:43:59,003 --> 00:44:00,463
So that was all good fun too.

626
00:44:00,823 --> 00:44:03,883
And what's your general impression of El Salvador these days?

627
00:44:04,443 --> 00:44:04,983
Fantastic.

628
00:44:05,663 --> 00:44:10,943
There's just an interview out now where I talked to Mike Peterson about this.

629
00:44:11,044 --> 00:44:14,383
If you see the Live from Bitcoin Beach pod.

630
00:44:14,643 --> 00:44:16,943
And so much has happened since January.

631
00:44:16,943 --> 00:44:27,363
Just in these seven months or whatever it is, or eight months between my first visit and my second visit, there's a whole ton of construction going on.

632
00:44:27,523 --> 00:44:29,983
The road down to El Sante is much better already.

633
00:44:30,983 --> 00:44:34,463
Centro-Historico looks better than the first time around, a lot better.

634
00:44:35,003 --> 00:44:40,683
So there's a ton of stuff happening in El Salvador, and it truly is a Bitcoin country.

635
00:44:40,683 --> 00:45:03,343
I guess the whole top-down thing with Chivo Wallet and whatnot, when Bukele talked about Bitcoin the first time around, it didn't really take off with the El Salvadorians, specifically because it was top-down, because they have good reason to not trust the government given their history.

636
00:45:03,343 --> 00:45:08,183
But now it feels like the grassroots movements are like blooming everywhere.

637
00:45:08,443 --> 00:45:16,263
And, you know, El Sante and Berlin and Punta Mango and San Salvador, there's Bitcoin communities all over the country now.

638
00:45:16,403 --> 00:45:18,223
And there's a lot of things happening.

639
00:45:18,463 --> 00:45:24,963
I could go to the most remote village and pay for stuff in Bitcoin in the most weirdest of places.

640
00:45:25,323 --> 00:45:28,044
So I absolutely adore El Salvador.

641
00:45:28,303 --> 00:45:30,463
I urge everyone to go there and see it for themselves.

642
00:45:30,463 --> 00:45:33,423
come with no expectations, good or bad.

643
00:45:33,623 --> 00:45:34,923
Just take it for what it is.

644
00:45:35,023 --> 00:45:37,103
This is a country that used to be a shithole

645
00:45:37,103 --> 00:45:40,223
and is now one of the best, my favorite places on earth

646
00:45:40,223 --> 00:45:41,703
in just half a decade.

647
00:45:42,383 --> 00:45:45,123
It's truly remarkable what's happened there.

648
00:45:45,443 --> 00:45:49,003
And a big thank you to Mr. President Naibu Kehle

649
00:45:49,003 --> 00:45:50,363
for having me over for dinner.

650
00:45:50,523 --> 00:45:53,303
That was an experience for sure.

651
00:45:53,303 --> 00:45:56,603
A fantastic time with a bunch of other Bitcoiners there.

652
00:45:56,603 --> 00:46:02,903
So that was a good, I mean, final thing for my weird Bitcoin year here.

653
00:46:03,123 --> 00:46:05,263
Fantastic year in total, I'd say.

654
00:46:06,564 --> 00:46:07,143
Yeah, absolutely.

655
00:46:07,343 --> 00:46:11,223
And well, I've got a huge FOMO for El Salvador.

656
00:46:12,083 --> 00:46:13,323
It's awesome.

657
00:46:14,223 --> 00:46:16,523
I really want to get over there.

658
00:46:17,763 --> 00:46:18,903
You will one day.

659
00:46:19,263 --> 00:46:20,463
Yeah, exactly.

660
00:46:20,823 --> 00:46:22,044
It's a long flight.

661
00:46:22,044 --> 00:46:31,923
Well, and I think to cap off the year, the last couple of months have been very interesting.

662
00:46:32,083 --> 00:46:37,064
We've kind of gotten a little bit into the fork wars or the spam wars a little bit.

663
00:46:37,143 --> 00:46:45,564
I think we've always been on kind of the forefront of the monetary maximalist spam isn't good kind of thing.

664
00:46:45,564 --> 00:46:51,643
But that's come to a bit of a head since October with the release of Core v30.

665
00:46:52,044 --> 00:46:58,863
And, well, I think both of us have just been figuring this whole thing out in our own way a little bit.

666
00:46:59,044 --> 00:47:05,603
I personally was a little bit, made some posts on Twitter that got a lot of attention,

667
00:47:05,743 --> 00:47:10,903
talking about the couple of fork proposals and the reasons why I like them,

668
00:47:10,983 --> 00:47:15,583
even if I'm not really going all the way to the point of saying that I think we should put them in there.

669
00:47:15,583 --> 00:47:24,823
For example, something that would be a clear repudiation of spam, that those things are not good and that the network could reject them.

670
00:47:24,983 --> 00:47:26,343
That's what I like about them.

671
00:47:26,544 --> 00:47:29,783
Well, I think it's not that it's calmed down a little bit.

672
00:47:29,883 --> 00:47:31,703
This is definitely a pressing issue.

673
00:47:31,883 --> 00:47:38,783
And I think over the course of 2026, both of these fork proposals are moving towards potential activation.

674
00:47:38,963 --> 00:47:39,583
And they are forks.

675
00:47:40,363 --> 00:47:42,003
Like, they're soft forks.

676
00:47:42,483 --> 00:47:43,823
They are forks.

677
00:47:43,823 --> 00:47:50,083
So it's not wrong to call them a fork, but chain split is, I think, the thing that I personally want to avoid.

678
00:47:50,083 --> 00:48:00,183
I don't want there to be any kind of monetary maximalist Bitcoin and then a spam Bitcoin and see which one wins Bitcoin cash style.

679
00:48:00,323 --> 00:48:02,203
I don't think that would be good for the network.

680
00:48:02,383 --> 00:48:03,263
But what do you think, Knut?

681
00:48:04,544 --> 00:48:08,683
Yeah, as I said, that depends entirely on what side that wins.

682
00:48:08,683 --> 00:48:13,703
But still, I would prefer it if everyone saw Bitcoin as money.

683
00:48:14,083 --> 00:48:18,703
And I would prefer it if people didn't do stupid shit on Bitcoin.

684
00:48:18,903 --> 00:48:22,383
We've been playing like we've been sitting on different shares here, Luke.

685
00:48:22,483 --> 00:48:31,643
Like we both have had part in the discussions and taking very active roles, promoting a certain point of view.

686
00:48:31,963 --> 00:48:37,323
But we've also tried to be, I mean, mediators in a way, especially with a show.

687
00:48:37,323 --> 00:48:41,423
I feel like, I mean, I've interviewed Mechanic and I've interviewed Merch.

688
00:48:41,663 --> 00:48:47,103
I've interviewed Adam Beck and I've interviewed a lot of people.

689
00:48:48,383 --> 00:48:50,143
Who was I think Chris Guida?

690
00:48:50,823 --> 00:48:56,783
So we've had people from both sides, if you can even call it that on, and trying to get

691
00:48:56,783 --> 00:49:01,483
a more nuanced perspective while also not compromising our core beliefs.

692
00:49:01,643 --> 00:49:04,523
I mean, I am not first and foremost a podcaster.

693
00:49:04,523 --> 00:49:08,123
I didn't come into Bitcoin as a podcaster.

694
00:49:08,363 --> 00:49:12,044
I've figured out that I like doing that later on.

695
00:49:12,263 --> 00:49:18,443
And being a podcaster and an interviewer is a completely different game than being an author,

696
00:49:18,443 --> 00:49:22,503
where you just ramble your own plebslop opinions to people.

697
00:49:22,643 --> 00:49:28,403
Whereas if you're doing interviews, you sort of have to be more diplomatic and listen to different ideas.

698
00:49:28,503 --> 00:49:30,963
And I think both things are needed.

699
00:49:30,963 --> 00:49:37,643
I intend to keep doing both and try to be or try.

700
00:49:37,883 --> 00:49:41,963
I'm still going to value my integrity higher than anything else.

701
00:49:42,183 --> 00:49:46,603
That's, I think, why we thought we had a market fit here.

702
00:49:46,863 --> 00:49:50,544
We wanted lighthearted honesty in the Bitcoin space.

703
00:49:50,783 --> 00:49:53,423
I think it's rare, and I think that's what we're providing.

704
00:49:53,583 --> 00:49:55,523
And I think we do a good job at it.

705
00:49:55,603 --> 00:49:57,643
And I intend to keep doing that.

706
00:49:57,643 --> 00:50:01,303
And I hope that people see that that's what we're trying to do.

707
00:50:01,623 --> 00:50:02,064
So, yeah.

708
00:50:03,064 --> 00:50:05,303
Also, we wrapped up Independence Reimagined.

709
00:50:05,383 --> 00:50:06,423
That can be mentioned, too.

710
00:50:06,503 --> 00:50:08,223
That's another thing we capped off the year with.

711
00:50:08,703 --> 00:50:09,323
Yes, absolutely.

712
00:50:09,483 --> 00:50:16,443
And just like, I think what some people don't understand is that you can never please everyone,

713
00:50:16,663 --> 00:50:16,883
right?

714
00:50:16,963 --> 00:50:22,383
That's kind of what audience capture looks like if you really are going for only one specific

715
00:50:22,383 --> 00:50:22,923
audience.

716
00:50:22,923 --> 00:50:29,403
And there's always going to be people on any side of the spectrum who are going to get pissed off and not like what you did.

717
00:50:29,564 --> 00:50:37,203
But I think especially the merch interview, just letting him tell his view of things.

718
00:50:37,463 --> 00:50:39,263
There's a point to that, right?

719
00:50:39,503 --> 00:50:49,243
And then if someone wants to respond or rebut, there was a talk or an invitation of doing like a debate style thing.

720
00:50:49,323 --> 00:50:50,783
I don't think it's going to happen.

721
00:50:50,783 --> 00:50:58,343
But I mean, I think I think the thing there, too, is that like I was I was very careful the entire time to just stick to the facts.

722
00:50:59,044 --> 00:51:07,544
My perspective on things, I was I was open to corrections, especially on the technical side of things like I'm a technical person.

723
00:51:07,863 --> 00:51:19,723
I have a computer science degree, all of this. Right. But yeah, I mean, I mean, the the entire the entire thing is that Bitcoin is complicated and I haven't been neck deep in the code the entire time.

724
00:51:19,723 --> 00:51:48,203
It's inspired me. This whole interaction has inspired me to get better at the technical side of Bitcoin and understand it better and all this. I ended up doing a code challenge over the last month or so here. That was quite interesting. It was an entertaining little story. I don't want to spoil anything, but there's references to Craig Wright and taking through a whole bunch of scenarios like playing around with Bitcoin script and how lightning works and things like that.

725
00:51:48,203 --> 00:52:11,303
So it was interesting. And I definitely have tons of respect for the Bitcoin developers, people who are working on Bitcoin on a technical level. And I want to understand that better. And I want to both marry the perspective of being a monetary maximalist and being a technically sound and correct individual in the space also.

726
00:52:11,303 --> 00:52:25,163
And I think it's been my observation that this is the primary disconnect here is that people coming from kind of the more technical lean on Bitcoin, they value things in Bitcoin differently than those who are coming at it from the money side of the perspective.

727
00:52:25,163 --> 00:52:40,623
And we're definitely on the money side of the equation here, 100%. But acknowledging what is technically possible and able to happen in Bitcoin is also important too.

728
00:52:40,623 --> 00:52:44,843
So, yeah, that's what I've been focusing on lately.

729
00:52:45,383 --> 00:53:00,263
And I've found some sort of synergies with my own fiat job, like the parallels to how my cybersecurity day job has really informed my opinions on Bitcoin and my view of things.

730
00:53:00,323 --> 00:53:01,903
And I've started exploring that more.

731
00:53:02,023 --> 00:53:05,323
And I've had a few posts on the topic.

732
00:53:05,423 --> 00:53:09,223
And I think I'm going to continue to talk about this more and more and more.

733
00:53:09,223 --> 00:53:13,603
And so I think that's going to be one of my focuses of 2026 is really exploring that angle.

734
00:53:13,983 --> 00:53:14,283
That's important.

735
00:53:14,483 --> 00:53:17,643
Yeah, I'm excited for whatever comes out of that.

736
00:53:17,743 --> 00:53:18,743
It's like a perfect match.

737
00:53:18,963 --> 00:53:19,123
Yeah.

738
00:53:19,323 --> 00:53:30,883
I mean, if there's any point that I'd like to repeat about this whole debate that's been going on this year is that I think people should be happy that it's happening.

739
00:53:31,343 --> 00:53:37,883
Every Bitcoiner should be happy that this war, if you want to call it that, is going on because that is good for Bitcoin.

740
00:53:37,883 --> 00:53:55,143
A lot of people have done the same thing you've done, which is go deeper down the rabbit hole and deeper down both the praxeological and the computer science aspects of it and understanding more and running their own nodes, choosing what code to run and what code not to run.

741
00:53:55,723 --> 00:54:00,883
Everyone should be happy that that is happening because that's the whole purpose of Bitcoin.

742
00:54:01,123 --> 00:54:06,103
We are the network and we decide what it is and what it's supposed to be.

743
00:54:06,103 --> 00:54:13,423
so so on the whole i'm happy that this whole thing is is happening uh complacency is in my

744
00:54:13,423 --> 00:54:22,683
view the only real threat to bitcoin so yeah there's that anyway we have a ton of stuff coming

745
00:54:22,683 --> 00:54:27,623
up next year where maybe we should briefly go through that before that this was sort of 2025

746
00:54:27,623 --> 00:54:33,084
i think this sort of wraps this thing up also huge thank you to all of the all of our sponsors

747
00:54:33,084 --> 00:54:35,783
all of our guests on the show.

748
00:54:35,943 --> 00:54:38,343
We've had a whole bunch of great guests.

749
00:54:38,564 --> 00:54:41,623
We had a very good fall, a lot of great guests,

750
00:54:41,783 --> 00:54:45,084
and we have a lot of great ones lined up for next year as well.

751
00:54:45,523 --> 00:54:48,383
So really looking forward to keep chugging along

752
00:54:48,383 --> 00:54:49,643
with the Bitcoin Infinity Show.

753
00:54:49,903 --> 00:54:52,023
You might next year, let's start there.

754
00:54:52,143 --> 00:54:56,064
You might take a little part of the Bitcoin Infinity Show again,

755
00:54:56,064 --> 00:54:58,943
like look and not stay completely out of it

756
00:54:58,943 --> 00:55:01,084
as you have for the last six months.

757
00:55:01,084 --> 00:55:08,903
yeah i've missed it for sure uh it's it's nice to get to talk to people and and explore things and

758
00:55:08,903 --> 00:55:15,263
different perspectives and all this and so yeah we've we've 100 uh agreed that this is this is

759
00:55:15,263 --> 00:55:20,283
one way to do it it's hard to get our schedules to match up exactly and so i think it keeps us

760
00:55:20,283 --> 00:55:27,823
flexible to do this but yeah i think i'm going to um yeah one or two interviews a month maybe

761
00:55:27,823 --> 00:55:29,183
I don't think these will be extra.

762
00:55:29,363 --> 00:55:32,683
I think we'll just fit this into the schedule, but who knows?

763
00:55:32,911 --> 00:55:37,851
We'll see how much we both enjoy doing episodes and how it fits with our bandwidth.

764
00:55:38,151 --> 00:55:38,771
So it's all good.

765
00:55:39,411 --> 00:55:39,591
Yeah.

766
00:55:39,691 --> 00:55:48,531
And I think in the past when we did them together, it's sort of like, I'm David Letterman and you're the, what's he called?

767
00:55:48,591 --> 00:55:49,531
The piano guy.

768
00:55:50,591 --> 00:55:54,611
So you haven't sort of taken a bigger role.

769
00:55:54,611 --> 00:56:06,871
I think going forward, maybe the episodes that you do join, you will definitely be in them more than there are the ones where there's only me.

770
00:56:07,091 --> 00:56:12,051
I mean, you're still the producer and the brains behind this whole operation.

771
00:56:13,671 --> 00:56:19,931
You're the one with the scissors cutting out all the uh-uhs that I'm doing right now, for instance.

772
00:56:21,231 --> 00:56:23,831
So looking forward to doing that.

773
00:56:23,831 --> 00:56:27,951
we've decided to do up until episode 210.

774
00:56:28,871 --> 00:56:30,771
And after episode 210,

775
00:56:31,031 --> 00:56:32,711
we'll make some sort of decision

776
00:56:32,711 --> 00:56:35,651
to where the Bitcoin Infinity show

777
00:56:35,651 --> 00:56:36,731
is going in the future.

778
00:56:37,351 --> 00:56:38,651
We've given ourselves some time.

779
00:56:39,231 --> 00:56:42,911
We're very undecided of what it turns into.

780
00:56:43,031 --> 00:56:45,171
If we just keep chugging along as we have,

781
00:56:45,431 --> 00:56:47,091
or if it turns into something else,

782
00:56:47,351 --> 00:56:49,151
we'll see at episode 210.

783
00:56:49,151 --> 00:56:51,491
It's time to evaluate the whole thing.

784
00:56:51,491 --> 00:56:58,231
there's two academies coming up in 2026 the first one is of course everything divided by 21 million

785
00:56:58,231 --> 00:57:03,511
my most famous book we're going through that chapter by chapter in the academy that'll be a

786
00:57:03,511 --> 00:57:10,891
big thing for sure we'll have a lot of fun with that and after that uh at some time uh i think in

787
00:57:10,891 --> 00:57:15,371
august or something like that we'll we'll start bitcoin the inverse of clown world which is the

788
00:57:15,371 --> 00:57:21,091
the book we wrote together so that really excited for that one as well the academy has a great year

789
00:57:21,091 --> 00:57:27,311
coming up and we're also due to go to a bunch of bitcoin events aren't we luke yeah i think the

790
00:57:27,311 --> 00:57:34,451
ones were confirmed for are ireland prague lugano at this point btc hell again will be happening

791
00:57:34,451 --> 00:57:42,591
september 25th and 26th so a little later than last year but um yeah the bigger venue and etc

792
00:57:42,591 --> 00:57:46,551
so the the timing should be good we'll see we'll see which other ones we end up at

793
00:57:46,551 --> 00:57:53,231
yeah first of all of course plan b forum san salvador for me then dublin and uh after dublin

794
00:57:53,231 --> 00:57:59,951
oh maybe we'll go to bedford we'll see uh see if we hear anything from them there's the madrid one

795
00:57:59,951 --> 00:58:05,591
in may mad bitcoins uh i'm definitely going to that one it's going to be super cool by the way

796
00:58:05,591 --> 00:58:12,051
bitcoin inverso del mundo paeso the spanish translation of the inverse of clown world is

797
00:58:12,051 --> 00:58:18,211
just coming out. It's done and we are to just press the buttons, I think, and then it'll be out

798
00:58:18,211 --> 00:58:22,931
if it's not out already. So that is coming. I'm bringing some of that to San Salvador to begin

799
00:58:22,931 --> 00:58:29,591
with, bringing some of that to Madrid. There's all already and everything divided in Spanish.

800
00:58:29,771 --> 00:58:33,811
We'll keep working on the translations in the background here. What else? Yeah, I hear that

801
00:58:33,811 --> 00:58:39,271
there's an infinity day party in Prospera again on Roatan, the island outside of Honduras,

802
00:58:39,271 --> 00:58:40,771
The free private city there.

803
00:58:40,771 --> 00:58:53,085
There was an Infinity Day party last year or this year there I might be going there I haven decided yet Pretty cool I mean comment below how you going to celebrate Bitcoin Infinity Day this year

804
00:58:53,245 --> 00:58:59,085
I always love to see those, of course. So those are the big ones for, of course, the Praxeology

805
00:58:59,085 --> 00:59:05,025
course in Lugano here in May or June or whenever that'll be. That's going to be great too. And I'll

806
00:59:05,025 --> 00:59:09,405
be there this summer for the business school as well. So basically, we're going to keep busy,

807
00:59:09,405 --> 00:59:17,845
maybe not quite to the same pace or level of innovation as last year, but maybe we'll surprise

808
00:59:17,845 --> 00:59:24,245
ourselves. Who knows what could come up out of the horizon here. So very much looking forward.

809
00:59:24,245 --> 00:59:32,465
And yeah, looking forward to continuing to contribute to Bitcoin and let's see where

810
00:59:32,465 --> 00:59:39,845
everything goes in in 2026 2025 was was awesome absolutely insane lots of better better than i

811
00:59:39,845 --> 00:59:48,625
could have imagined so love it yeah absolutely also i might record some music in 2026 i've been

812
00:59:48,625 --> 00:59:53,745
saying that for a while now but i i have enough material to do something with it long-term project

813
00:59:53,745 --> 01:00:00,285
and there might be other things up our sleeves as well if we had sleeves i mean wearing t-shirt

814
01:00:00,285 --> 01:00:09,945
yep uh i think uh maybe it's a good time to just uh shout out our our current sponsors uh who very

815
01:00:09,945 --> 01:00:15,305
graciously help us to to put this on what do you think knut yeah absolutely we can start by

816
01:00:15,305 --> 01:00:23,565
mentioning bitvolt the uh that signed up with us in logano this summer a very cool swiss company

817
01:00:23,565 --> 01:00:29,585
that does a time lock slash multi-sig Bitcoin security solution.

818
01:00:30,065 --> 01:00:31,445
So BitVault, what is it now?

819
01:00:31,605 --> 01:00:32,685
CH? Do you remember?

820
01:00:32,925 --> 01:00:34,405
SV, BitVault.SV.

821
01:00:34,565 --> 01:00:35,345
Sorry about that.

822
01:00:35,785 --> 01:00:39,065
BitVault.SV, you can use code infinity for a discount

823
01:00:39,065 --> 01:00:45,485
and sign up for their super cool Bitcoin hardcore security solution.

824
01:00:46,605 --> 01:00:47,685
Yes, definitely.

825
01:00:47,865 --> 01:00:51,785
And I mean, this is of course one aspect of the security stack

826
01:00:51,785 --> 01:00:55,405
that I think Bitcoiners don't talk about enough.

827
01:00:55,565 --> 01:01:00,205
They use time locking and other interesting things

828
01:01:00,205 --> 01:01:03,225
to basically mean that if you get $5 wrench attacked,

829
01:01:03,385 --> 01:01:05,825
you can appear to have sent your Bitcoin,

830
01:01:06,005 --> 01:01:09,285
but you actually can still get it back,

831
01:01:09,505 --> 01:01:11,425
which would be very, very nice.

832
01:01:12,025 --> 01:01:14,005
And yeah, great to have them on board.

833
01:01:14,285 --> 01:01:17,225
And I think what they're rolling out

834
01:01:17,225 --> 01:01:19,765
is basically their subscription.

835
01:01:19,765 --> 01:01:24,805
It's a service because they do have some interaction with management.

836
01:01:25,105 --> 01:01:27,865
And this is, of course, always a trade-off, right?

837
01:01:28,005 --> 01:01:33,765
How much do you want a third-party company involved in your personal Bitcoin stack?

838
01:01:34,565 --> 01:01:40,765
But it's definitely a fantastic option if you want to increase your level of security, especially against physical attacks.

839
01:01:40,765 --> 01:01:53,445
And I think they dovetail nicely with the Bitcoin Advisor, who is all about Bitcoin inheritance planning and secure multi-sig solutions, managed multi-sig solutions.

840
01:01:53,705 --> 01:02:17,159
They from Australia although there are advisors from all over the world who can help you get set up with what they doing And basically they help you to set up a managed multi which has tons of uses But basically if you lose one of your keys they can help you securely move your Bitcoins to a new multi wallet and all this

841
01:02:17,159 --> 01:02:30,119
And inheritance is one of the major use cases for that is that they can help your loved ones in an inheritance situation. So kind of two sides to the coin here, basically, BitVault and Bitcoin Advisor.

842
01:02:30,119 --> 01:02:53,979
Yeah, absolutely. And we talked a lot about Plan B already, but they're also great, of course, where they have their business school and their developer school are now sort of merged together. So the courses, there's a mixed course where you can get both the business knowledge and the developer knowledge at the same time. So check out planb.network for more and find all the courses there.

843
01:02:53,979 --> 01:03:00,339
fantastic and and then the latest one we brought on board was a club orange

844
01:03:00,339 --> 01:03:05,579
timed in line for their rebrand so why don't you say a little bit more about club orange canute

845
01:03:05,579 --> 01:03:12,339
yeah club orange is this is sort of a uh we've we've had them on board before and we're tightening

846
01:03:12,339 --> 01:03:18,759
the the collaboration a bit this is formerly known as orange pill app where you can find

847
01:03:18,759 --> 01:03:22,879
other Bitcoiners in real life through this app.

848
01:03:23,039 --> 01:03:26,119
So it's not a social media app because it doesn't have a feed,

849
01:03:26,379 --> 01:03:28,499
but it has a lot of other features.

850
01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:32,219
Nowadays, it comes with a built-in Lightning wallet,

851
01:03:32,219 --> 01:03:35,819
which has some cool new features,

852
01:03:36,119 --> 01:03:39,459
not existent anywhere else, to my knowledge.

853
01:03:39,679 --> 01:03:41,239
You can GeoZap, for instance,

854
01:03:41,379 --> 01:03:45,439
which is when you Zap every Bitcoiner in a certain area of the world.

855
01:03:45,599 --> 01:03:47,719
You can Zap the entire world if you want to.

856
01:03:47,719 --> 01:03:55,459
I saw someone zap Spain the other day with some ad for the Bitcoin Madrid conference.

857
01:03:55,899 --> 01:03:58,359
Mad Bitcoins, just 21 sats to everyone.

858
01:03:58,899 --> 01:04:01,699
And you can attach a little message to these things.

859
01:04:01,859 --> 01:04:06,539
It also has an integration with bcmap.org, one of our other favorite projects.

860
01:04:06,739 --> 01:04:11,359
So you can find Bitcoin retailers and Bitcoin people around the world.

861
01:04:11,519 --> 01:04:13,959
You can also share your location if you want to.

862
01:04:13,959 --> 01:04:15,039
It's optional.

863
01:04:16,039 --> 01:04:18,959
And see how far away other Bitcoiners are.

864
01:04:19,119 --> 01:04:22,979
There's no exact positioning, of course, for security reasons,

865
01:04:23,139 --> 01:04:26,739
but you can find Bitcoiners near to you.

866
01:04:28,519 --> 01:04:32,219
Yeah, a bunch of cool stuff in Club Orange, absolutely.

867
01:04:32,499 --> 01:04:35,019
The events thing is great nowadays, too.

868
01:04:36,499 --> 01:04:37,059
Fantastic.

869
01:04:37,339 --> 01:04:42,099
And last but not least, of course, is our long-term partner Bitbox.

870
01:04:42,099 --> 01:04:47,859
and the Bitbox 02 Nova Edition is their latest hardware wallet.

871
01:04:48,719 --> 01:04:51,379
And Bitbox is just super easy to use.

872
01:04:51,639 --> 01:04:54,519
Your grandma can figure out the interface is one of the things.

873
01:04:54,679 --> 01:04:57,139
I forget if they like to say it or just we like to say it,

874
01:04:57,259 --> 01:05:02,019
but easy to use interface works with pretty much every other wallet out there.

875
01:05:02,019 --> 01:05:05,699
And yeah, so I think for our audience,

876
01:05:06,119 --> 01:05:20,133
it easiest to recommend as a gift for those who you want an orange pill But if you need another hardware wallet for any reason Bitbox is great to look that up They also got a few other things on their website

877
01:05:20,293 --> 01:05:22,673
some other accessories, steel plates,

878
01:05:22,933 --> 01:05:26,233
and a few other things that work with the Bitbox.

879
01:05:26,493 --> 01:05:30,173
And of course, it's the Bitcoin-only firmware that we recommend,

880
01:05:30,313 --> 01:05:31,673
and it's the only one that we recommend.

881
01:05:31,673 --> 01:05:35,733
So check that out at bitbox.swiss slash infinity.

882
01:05:37,013 --> 01:05:39,313
Yep. Do we have any more sponsors to mention?

883
01:05:39,593 --> 01:05:41,453
No, not at the moment.

884
01:05:41,953 --> 01:05:45,393
No, but great to have them on board.

885
01:05:45,613 --> 01:05:46,813
And thanks for the support.

886
01:05:46,893 --> 01:05:48,793
And thanks to you for the support.

887
01:05:48,793 --> 01:06:01,513
The other thing I think to mention is that you can, on Fountain now, you can subscribe to the show and get all of our episodes one day early, ad-free.

888
01:06:01,933 --> 01:06:03,833
And it's $5 a month.

889
01:06:03,913 --> 01:06:06,013
They still are fiat denominated only.

890
01:06:06,133 --> 01:06:08,553
Otherwise, we would have made it a Bitcoin denomination.

891
01:06:08,553 --> 01:06:13,273
You can also purchase individual episodes, the ad-free version, for $1 each.

892
01:06:14,053 --> 01:06:15,133
So feel free to do that.

893
01:06:15,233 --> 01:06:17,873
It's all lightning enabled and all this.

894
01:06:18,773 --> 01:06:22,173
Happy to be using the Value for Value Rails.

895
01:06:22,493 --> 01:06:23,573
So check that out.

896
01:06:23,973 --> 01:06:28,033
If you like, listen on Fountain and support us with Value for Value if you like.

897
01:06:28,093 --> 01:06:34,213
And of course, you can always go to the BitcoinInfinityStore.com and check out everything that we've got.

898
01:06:34,753 --> 01:06:35,873
You can buy it for sats.

899
01:06:35,873 --> 01:06:39,093
You can, of course, get our books on Amazon also.

900
01:06:39,393 --> 01:06:43,013
But, you know, if you want to support us with sats, spend your sats.

901
01:06:43,313 --> 01:06:45,973
You can do it from BitcoinInfinityStore.com.

902
01:06:46,693 --> 01:06:47,673
Anything else, Knut?

903
01:06:48,573 --> 01:06:51,933
Yeah, I mean, it's denominated in fiat, but you pay in sats.

904
01:06:52,033 --> 01:06:52,953
Just to make that clear.

905
01:06:53,273 --> 01:07:01,933
You can also go to our Geyser fund, geyser.fund slash project slash infinity, where you can support our academy efforts directly.

906
01:07:03,393 --> 01:07:05,593
There's a bunch of other perks to that.

907
01:07:05,873 --> 01:07:14,113
as well. So that's coming. There's a bunch of collaborations with a bunch of other Bitcoiners

908
01:07:14,113 --> 01:07:22,453
coming in 2026. Yeah, we said sponsors before. I prefer to frame it as collaborations because this

909
01:07:22,453 --> 01:07:28,813
is really what we're trying to do. We're trying to live the whole notion of Bitcoiners being

910
01:07:28,813 --> 01:07:33,853
incentivized to help one another with whatever we're doing. So we're just building these

911
01:07:33,853 --> 01:07:40,713
connections and I think you should too. Everyone should get to know other Bitcoiners. It's a great

912
01:07:40,713 --> 01:07:48,013
experience. So, I mean, do we have anything to add to that, Luke? No, I think this has been a good

913
01:07:48,013 --> 01:07:54,793
look back at 2025 and look forward to 2026. Yeah, so comment below who you want to see on the show

914
01:07:54,793 --> 01:08:00,173
next year. If there's anything you want us to do or bring up in the academy or whatever you want,

915
01:08:00,173 --> 01:08:06,093
basically like subscribe and brush your teeth so with that said this has been the bitcoin infinity

916
01:08:06,093 --> 01:08:12,173
show happy new year's everyone and see you next year see you next year